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Originally Posted by Mandea
And how do you explain never being so lucky in my other 10 times I finished AP/CW?
Scale set is one of those I completer, however playing with orcs and having ogre set (another nice set) I'd rather keep ogre set. I really don't think it's a coincidence and it's not so hard playing with the random generator to be more flexible (for the programmers I mean).
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Bad luck. Probability and statistics. Some people get really lucky, some people don't.
I vaguely recall DG stating twinkling boots has a 1/15 games spawn rate or something. It has since improved in Crossworlds though (1.3.0). So, maybe what you are seeing is the Crossworld's item generator improvement.
Your sample set is already below the probability rating for at least ONE item.
You've completed the Scale Set. I have NEVER completed it in the equivalent of 70+ saved game scans, most of them in Crossworlds. No one argued it wasn't hard to reconfigure the randomness. Just that, if the game was truly re-jiggered to do that, I should see a Scale Set in the next 20 rolls.
That said, until I roll for 20-30 games, I can't say for sure. I'm too lazy to re-roll right now though, haha. Although, just some statistical and anecdotal evidences of the power of randomness before said 1.3.1 patch.
That said, Ogre Set is MUCH MUCH easier to complete now in Crossworld's than it was in Armored Princess, but that's before the 1.3.1 patch. That said, I still only completed it twice. How is that possible? Easy, they make the probability for some of the items much better. I almost always see at least ONE of the three items now. I rarely saw the club before Crossworlds. It has taken me more than 10 games to get the complete Ogre Set the second time.
Well, if there was a change, it probably occurred in Crossworlds, 1.3.0 as noted by DG. He noticed Twinkling / Slippery Cuirass has a much higher probability of spawning now, etc. It was in one of the older posts.
Also, Crosswolrld's FORCES the inclusion of Gift Bag Items from Armored Princess. Not sure if you used that Official mod or not, not that it would help your set items, just composites.
I have also noticed it does have a much higher spawn rate now. In the past, my mages could almost NEVER get slippery cuirass. Now, I have a much better item mix-up. In my last mage game, I got 2 dress of the mages, sandals of the martyr, magician's cowl, belt of the victor, slippery cuirass, etc. Yet, this was a saved game which I was gunning for 100% critical demon, so it has most of the items for that build too. This was a Crossworld's 1.3.0 game. The future games in 1.3.0 I rolled were CRAP in comparison.
My games are mostly item driven to create strange or ridiculous combinations, as such, I've re-generated maybe 70+ games and scanned all of them for content before playing them. My feel probably isn't as good as say DG who probably have an even larger sample set and probably KNOWS the random generator mechanics itself.
It took me QUITE a few tries to get the Princess Set (Fairy Girl Power) set to spawn, maybe about 20 alone. (ah conditional probability is so evil). I nearly gave up and waited for any other interesting set/combo to show up.
That said, sometimes I just look for decent item sets, and in some games I get really good combos, then sometimes I have a dry spell of like 15 games in a row with nothing but the worst items ever. I don't play them unless I'm in the mood for the ad-hoc game style.
I've only spawned Belt of the Victor twice, so I am really sad that the one dude who got TWO of them to spawn in a single game, might not have saved his initial saved game.
All I am saying is, if your sample set is only 10, then you may or may not ever see a really really good saved game get rolled. We need a much larger sample set, or analysis of the files (we got to ask DG how or where he looked at for this). Analysis of the files is probably preferable and conclusive.
Sample set analysis is tedious.
