[Madfish]

Originally Posted by Dozer_EAF19

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A life is a life. A German, Japanese or whatever isn't worth less than an American or French. For that matter a Jew obviously isn't worth less either. Being German myself I have a ton of friends in France, America and other countries. I see them as equal and they see me as equal as well. People who don't are dangerous and of the very same mindset Hitler himself had (amongst a TON of other people, historical as well as recent).

The book you quoted is, to say it nicely, worthless. First of all Adam Tooze, being a brit, certainly is highly motivated to stay neutral, right?
Further there is no excuse to counter something cruel with something even more cruel. That'd be like if the native americans now literally blow up the whole US to get their revenge. You will probably agree that this is not how intelligent humans should act. Also it just creates more pain and thus gives birth to terror (something the brits also adopted and developed during the 2nd world war, read up on it if you like).

This also reminds me of the killing of tons of stingrays by fans of "crocodile hunter" Steve Irvin. Even if something tragic happens this isn't your free ticket to cause even more tragedy to "seemingly" solve the problem.
No one really knows what's best. Not for the world, not for humankind, not for himself even. I am VERY sure of that.
We don't know if it would've been better for the Germans to never exist, for the now Americans to never travel to their continent and killing every native they could find, we don't know if it was a good idea to re-establish Isreal in the middle of an islam part of the world etc. We don't even know if it's good for humans to exist in the first place, given what they've done to the earth.

Also, why you make it your policy to judge Germany over what happened to the jews in an airplane simulator to me is a mystery and I can only assume you have reasons that are beyond logic.
Would you make the same statements if Hitler would've embraced the jews and integrated them into the army? Most of them would've fought for him as well. There have been many jews in the military, even in leading positions! What if it would have been "just a plain war"?
Killing innocents is always a crime and it is NOT excusable at all. That's implied by the term "innocent" alone. Babies, children, women, elderly people, people that are in resistance groups or just "bearing with it" while not believing into some goals... you really must have an easy life if you can judge everyone that easily and only see the numbers. Yes, killing the jews was a bad thing and quelling political opposition as well. But if you look at modern scenarios or even the cold war and all that angst the americans had... it's scary, yes, humans are scary, but I see parallels and we all have fear within us sometimes. This is not an excuse for cruelties against civilians and innocents though. You can't kill countless innocent people just to bring down a single person you may dislike, even if s/he's a criminal!

And speaking of numbers, as an economist (oh yeah, we know that these guys really do know their stuff right? ) you only see the numbers. But numbers aren't everything. Nature never thought of numbers but if you'd be strict and apply numerical logic it'd mean we are WAY too many humans anyways. Imagine 7 billion people living the modern lives we live, it's just not possible. But what solution is there? Dangerous mindset right there...
So let's not just see the numbers - instead let's only see this as a simulation game and be responsible of what can be done with it and what shouldn't be done with it.

Personally I see no benefit in missions that have the aim to slaughter many thousands of civillians and cripple them for genererations, eventually even for eternity unless their families genes get repaired by science in the future somehow.



This said I'm sure this whole topic is useless. People shouldn't argue about the freaking war anymore (unless you're like 90 years old). It's history.

Atomic weaponry is stupid and unnecessary. It polutes the world, kills everything but the target (unless your target are civillians which makes you not better than Hitler) and could in fact destroy the world. The same goes for biological weapons and chemical weapons. How anyone sane can find excuses for using these is a mystery to me and in fact reminds me of someone who's name started with H who also found a number of excuses for a witchhunt on a "race" he disliked.

To me there are no races, only animals. We are not better than a whale or a snail or a jew, colored people, white people or whatever. The war sure was different but that is no excuse for brainwashing the new generations and justifying something as atomic, biological and chemical weapons.



In the end it's all up to the devs anyways. I'm just saying that embedding a weapon like an atomic bomb should be a decision the developers should really think about VERY carefully.
Not only will it cause a huge media uprise, no, it'll turn the game into something despicable. What's next to the use of atomic weapons? Gas? chemical bombs? Biological warfare? I don't like it.
And if you're really willing to kill off a whole civilian city just to win a war I suggest you visit a doctor as soon as possible. If all the global leaders of today had that mindset, given our modern weapon technology we, the whole earths population, would be gone in less than a month.