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Originally Posted by Crni vuk
Though in 1944 the T34/76 was still one of the most common if not THE common vehicle in the soviet army. The T34/85 was produced in large numbers trough the war but it did actualy not simply replaced the T34/76 but more served next to it one might get the idea the soviet army jumped on the new design as soon it was going in to production but even during almost the whole year of 1944 the soviets had to rely very much on the t34 with its short 76mm gun which makes the Su 85 a important adition to the soviet army wich saw service already in 1943 already. The 85mm gun was quite late used with the T34 and the first units which got equiped with them have been elite units usualy like the tank guards or what their name was no clue. So as said it should not just simply replace it even when it was available in large numbers.
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OK, sure, there may have been a few late T-34/76 models on the front in 1945, but the majority of the tanks were already T-34/85. 50k T-34/85 were produced out of 80k T-34's.
Fine though you have a point so there should be a late T-34 model available as a counter 2 the Panzer 3, and then the T-34/85 which should be as cheap as a German Panzer 4.
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Would be nice to know about this statistic.
The 100mm which was a version from a naval gun had for a soviet gun quite good capabilities particularly against panthers and the tiger 1 even on large distances.
But I doubt it was powerfull enough to penetrate the front from a Tiger II. As both the turret and hul have been quite thick. Around 150mm angled for the hull and 180mm for the turret. I have no clue how acurate the page is but Battlefield.ru gives for the Su100 125mm penetration on 500m shooting a 60° angled plate, 155mm on 90° using the BR-412 APBC (Armor pearcing balistic cap).
Remember the Germans used with ther famous 88mm Kwk (Kampfwagen kanone) many times not just simple armor pearcing (AP) but as well APCBC (armor pearcing capped balistic cap), or even rare APCR (Armor pearcing composit rigid). So the Tiger II should if using the APCRC outclass the Su100 with its APBC definetly. Even the standart APCBC-HE Panzergranate 39/43 for the PAK43 seems to penetrate more then 180mm of armor already on 500m and even more then 200mm with the rare APCR Panzergranate 40/43
The only gun that might have outclassed it (but thats not certain!) is the gun of the Superpershing which was a modified long version of the 90mm gun and late war designs like the british 105mm using APDS and APFSDS (modern shells)
3AD's "Super Pershing" vs. Germany's "King Tiger"
But one should always remember that this is the internet afterall. So any informations should not be considered as simple fact.
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With APHE round it achieved a penetration of 180mm steel at 1000m. I don't know if the armour was angled nor the quality of the armour.
German 8.8 cm KwK 43 achieved penetration of 160mm steel @60 at 1000m using the APCBC round..
It is safe 2 say that these weapons were comparable. Also King Tiger frontal armour was 100mm IRL, not ******* 180mm (that was the turret only).
Su-100 should have far higher penetration stats than it has now.