[hiro]

The bunker is funny, and lifesized. But that's a good pic though. About the previous posts leading in . . .

Don't need to argue the point if he's a Italian Dictator lover or Fascist supporter. This is a Team D thread.





The points by zaelu and kwiatek are invalid because the IL-2 data used to prove their points that something is wrong comes from a hacked and modded IL-2 . . . hence Bulgarian's reply.

And where that information comes from does affect if its a "fact or not".

Garbage in and garbage out? You can't use flawed data to point out a flaw, because the problem could be with the data you're using .





Team D is right in saying FM's modded / will create unknown consequences / cascade effects in the code.

And its good to nip it in the bud.

The debates with Modded FM's are many: Is it a cheat vs historically vs flies like I want it to (according to my interpretation of the books I've read etc).

Then you got book knowledge vs actual experience. Anyone who has tried to learn martial arts from a magazine and then from an actual master can tell you its different from learning from a video, pages, and from someone teaching you.

Proving something "historically" correct, how would they (mod FM guys) know unless they've flown an actual P-51, and fired its .50 cals?

You could get close if you took what was recorded in regarding the plane, plus the experience of pilots / pilot logs, stats and engineering tests, and test flights if possible. Even then collecting all the data needs a peer review and organization to translate that into the game . . . and you have to seperate this from "your favorite plane" syndrome.

At least with Team D or Oleg n Co, they can request information regarding this, and its good they are doing this (recent threads from Luthier). They can get the research in on it.

They can combine resources, work with the community, and have a team to debate, and organize things so it works with what's been done already in the game and not mess with the integrity of IL-2. After all 8+ years of official work on a game, theres bound to be many details that only the developer is intimate with.


Another issue, is say, pilot skill.

I'll use the P-51. There are other people that fly the P-51 on unmodded servers online and shoot just fine, they rack up kills. They fly the IL-2 P-51 just as well as it can be according to its FM.

Then you have others that say they find it hard to fly or shoot w/out the modded FM? Are they cheating because of lack of skill?

Maybe the oleg quote pilots win dogfights is applicable here?


With Team D and Oleg n Co, the have the final say. They can cut through the BS, the many facets of the issue, and create something workable.


I'm just glad Team D and Oleg n co are continuing to support IL-2. And we should be working with them, not laying down accusations or quoting obscure sources (like unsourced wikipedia articles), or points or using modded FM's to prove a point.