[kozzm0]

That's totally right

except how can you compare IL-2 to a game like Ace Combat? Ace Combat is an arcade game and nothing but.

They do both have the lack of black and red-outs or any other g effects. But that's a lot more blatant in Ace Combat where you can somehow pull about 20 g's and not watch your intestines rip through the fuselage and fall to a squishy death on the ground below. It's forgivable with prop fighters but not jets.

I'll wait as long as it takes for there to be a good online, cause what choice have I got? There aren't any other sims on console, unless Heroes over Europe is for real, which I doubt. I know there's another ww2 one from Ubisoft, creator of arcade-trash Hawx and Blazing Angels, and I don't have to bother to check whether an Ubisoft title is any good. And Targetware beta on pc which is a really detailed sim that almost nobody ever plays, unfortunately