Hahahahaha! Yeah, I gotta admit the Italians are a bit underrepresented! The 2 machine guns on the Macci just suck, for me anyway. But I can't shoot! Irun an experiment a week ago. I had 2 BOP games at the house so I borrowed a PS3 from one of my sons friends and, ahum, cheated a little. I won the b17 and then started experimenting shooting it down with all the fighters to see which palnes had the best firepower and which planes weren't so good. The best? bf109g-6 blew it to hell. Awesome firepower. The worst? Stuka. The front firing MGs are worthless. It took 5 minutes, I swear of direct gunfire to bring down the 17. I also used a bf109e-3 as a target with same results. I discoverd the cannons are the best weapon (other than the il2 MGs, which are rediculesly powerful) The Macci was among the worst. The Russian planes were in the middle, not the best, not the worst. The p47 is also damn good. The 51 and spits are fair and even with the Russian planes. I'm rambling here and should be working!