[hiro]

I used to get super mad, knocking down bombers is hard in ace AI, but then realized there are ways to stick it to them. I got upset b/c some historical tactics didn't work. But then I realized the game has so much good points . . . and it is game and there is away to bring them down.

Il-2 bombers are hard in general ESP if you put them in vet or ace mode. Even lower settings they will get that lucky one hit major damage blow more often then not.


The problem I've had with bomber gunners is they can one hit your plane, causing engine out, or PK, or the awesome elevator / aileron cable hit, torn off parts of the wing / tail etc. Even with .50 or .30's, doesn't matter. I shall call this one hit wonder.

They also do lesser damage hits (hole the wings, wound pilot, smoke engine, crater canopy, take out some instrument panels etc).

And the slower the more quickly they can hit you with one hit wonders. I notice usually 400 km/hr during passes usually they hit you, but its not the one hit wonder, its the lesser damage. Sometimes you can get away with 300 km/ hr but they nick you pretty good. This is if you are in their firing envelope.



Also I notice once you get .5 km, their one hit wonder blows increase alot.

I can't do the Luftwaffe special of head on passes because the nose gunner on the B-24 or 17 one shots me just as I come into .5 km range (my guns are set to 350 m convergence)




Cannons helps because you can set them 300 or 400 meters conv and they work at that range (Even the Emils slow 20mms vs B-24's) and allows you to BZ a bomber from a longer range.

I find with machine guns, I can only get them to work 200 meters convergence or less (I use 150 or 100 ) and strike just before collision is imminent.


With planes like US or Hurricane is they need to come super close to the bomber to get in 200 m range (for me) to open fire.

And given the uber gunners, if you come in that close, and say like dead six or into any firing envelope inside the .5 range of the bomber, they will rip you a new one unless you are going fast like 400 km / hr fast.


Given now, that the SM 79 is modelled like a tank. It still has the uber gunner if you put it on Vet or Ace.

The SM 79 is vulnerable to head on passes (aim for the engines) as recommended. However, it does have a single gun pointing forward. So it can knock you down before you get into 300 m to start opening fire (I say 300 since convergence is 200 or 150 m and I'm at that distance when I get around to pulling the trigger).

Then you have a hurricane.

And the hurricane is A) hard to get to 400 km/hr easily B) must be inside the .5 Km death cone range to shoot C) no cannons so you gotta rake it down pretty good.

With the Hurri, you're giving the SM 79 lots of opportunity to get shot down. engine out, PK, etc.


I think the OP is using what the screenshots are showing (even though its not the OP posting them) and coming in from the rear (most bombers have sniper ability on their six) and slowing down and raking away with MG's.

And then failing that, then the bright idea sets in to BZ from altitude advantage. Hence the "impossible to bring down with pre 1940 fighter" as faster fighters are in the post 1940 planes sets / and many have Cannon

But BnZ with a 150 meter convergence range and from the weakpoint of the SM 79 (high coming in to hit the front of the engines), leaves only a snapshot to fire upon it. Also you are using machines guns. Hence the "no specific spots cheap DM model etc " because snapshots aren't as effective as tracking shots. MG's just dont damage like cannon.

And then you need patience as you set up, get to altitude, then position for another pass since the best way is a diving head on pass . . . hence the frustration and "poor quality unite the community" .


I'm not a good pilot, but I notice if I take a A8 with 30mm's or KI84c or 109 with 30 nose cannon I can bring down a B-24 vet in one or a few passes. With a Emil 109 e4 or US 50 cal planes it takes many passes on B-24 set on vet. Well the P-47 I can sometimes do it in 3.

With the B-24 diving on top of it and using cannons to pick away the wings or engines . . .

SM-79 its harder since you have to do a diving head on pass.

I think Team D did a wonderful job. Like Oleg said " Pilots win dogfights. Not airplanes. If a pilot is not particularly good, regardless of a plane, he'll always have a sinking feeling that something somewhere is wrong... and not everyone is willing to admit that the fault lies within. "

And yes the OP might be mad, but he's spreading falsehood and gutter and the IL-2 community doesn't need this.