New HOTAS advice
 

I need a new Hotas. So I ask for the community´s advice :
the candidates are:

CH (stick + rudder + throttle)
Saitek (X65F?) + rudder
Logitech g 940
Only for Il-2. Mainly flying bombers and ground attack planes.

Cougar is out only for logistical reasons.
Please I need the more objective statements. I´m a Saitek user and I´m happy whit my old Hotas, but also interested in CH producs, that are hard to find in my country. The logitech looks very interesting. Thanks in advance.

I only can say: CH Yoke

The x65 uses force tranducers or something like that, essentially the stick doesn't move at all - it senses how much force is applied and translates that into control surface deflection.

Not sure how well it lends itself to WWI, WWII, and Korean sims where gunnery is till a big factor.

CH is really the best choice unless you prefer style over substance. CH has no style - but it gets the job done better than anything else. It's accurate (more so than everything else) and reliable (the opposite of the cougar).

I think CH has something in the works - a new addition to their flight sticks I'm guessing based on activity from other manufacturers.

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/showp...6&postcount=10

No details yet, but at least they are admitting they are working on something.

CHPRODUCTS

FighterStick
Pro Pedals
Pro Throttle
MFP

New CH Eclipse yoke is nice, but only a few fighters in IL2 use yoike all the rest are stick.

All the best of the best and fully programmable.

Not Forcefeedback, but that'll be an advantage Online play. You won't be bouncing around everytime you shoot, or make a miniscule move of controls.

Why because you get better registration on targets, which converts to more kills.

They may have no style, but they feel so nice. CH makes their parts out of a different plastic that any other joystick maker I've bought from. I'm not sure what it is, but they stay comfortable to hold even through extremely heavy usage. I think it also helps that they have a micro-roughened surface. Not course, you can't see it in the pictures, but not smooth either; just right. Attracts dust like a magnet, though.

Their software is good. It looks like something out of Windows 3.1, but it is highly function, and will do anything you need it to. For a while I had a mapping which mapped the mini-stick on the throttle to the arrows keys, complete with a dead zone mapping that left a wide center dead zone, such that just bumping it wouldn't do anything, but if I pushed it past 60% deflection, then the key press would be activated. I was using it to control thrust vectoring in a SciFi game I was playing at the time.

Some things that I'm still not fully sold on at the shape and button layout of the Fighterstick. It's encrusted in tilt switches, but I find that most of them, particularly on the head of the stick, aren't easy to reach, and generally, by the time I've mapped 16 different functions to something, I've forgotten what most of them were, and I find it to be a bit top heavy myself. It may just be that I spent most of my time using MS Sidewinders before I moved to CH, so your mileage may vary.

Overall, I'd still say they are as good as you're going to get, without getting one that's custom built, and I've used a lot of joysticks over the years.

Harry Voyager

Get:
CH F16 Figtherstick
CH PRO throttle > see that no have "rotaries"...
For pedal consider Saitek PRO Pedal - CH Pedal are too narrow...
And some people have a six months unsolved problem:
http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6323

If you don't have big hands you will have problems in reaching the main HAT in CH F16:
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/788/chhight.jpg

And consider that is easy obtain spare parts for CH:
http://www.chproducts.com/shop/parts.html

Despite his Shop Cart not consider the "rest of the world"... You need to send email first.

Sokol1

The CH kit is hands down the most durable, precise and versatile kit for IL2.

CH
I don't think I will ever have to buy another stick,my fighterstick will probably outlast me.

When I bought my first CH-Fighterstick (before 6 years?), I loved it so much that after a year I bought one more, just in case something happens to the first one.

Well, after all these years, the spare CH is still in its box gathering dust.
The first stick is still as good as a new one!

My only "complaint" with CH products is that Pro-throttle does not have rotaries and this is a small disadvantage when it comes to prop. pitch handling. But that's just a detail that matters in top-top-top level dogfights.

Go for CH and don't listen to sirens!!!

Projects such as the ones undertaken by CH Products are in development a long time before anyone hears anything, it would be wrong to jump to conclusions that any announcement would be driven by another manufacturers activity and that they would feel the need to make a 'me too' announcement.