Popularity of BOP?
 

How well do you think this game will do regarding sales and popularity? First person shooters are obviously an incredibly popular genre and for all intents and purposes BOP could be viewed as a type of FPS. When I went to EBGames to pre-order BOP the dude there had never heard of it. My wish is that it becomes a success as that will bring more money and opportunity to the devs.
What do you think?

The sad thing is there is still a lot of people out there that haven't heard of it.
I can't speak on behalf of other people but I haven't even played the demo and I know I'm going to love it. Flight gamers are a special group of people. And flight simmers are a rare breed.

Wait, please don't take offense but you're a Mod and you haven't played the demo? I'm not trolling just wondering.

Flight simmers are a rare breed and we can be very picky. What I've seen so far is an OK game that is obviously the best of it's genre (on account of lack of serious competition) but it is a Jack of all trades and a master of none...

Well, he owns a PS3 and Demo isn't on it yet, but from all the stuff we have discussed I'm sure he just about knows as much as we do and the fact it is very similar to IL2.

Sorry I have to disagree. I think it's a bit of a stretch to say it's similar to IL-2. In fact, how can you say that when there are so many unanswered questions that cannot be addressed because the publisher won't allow it? Granted I could have to eat my words if the game turns out to be better than the demo but to say BOP is similar to IL-2 really doesn't fly with me.

I didn't mean 100%, but that he should know what to expect. Especially from all the videos and pictures out now.

What I am saying is that this game looks awesome I bought the original IL-2 when it came out in 2001, Flight simulator X, Lock On, etc. etc. So I am no newcomer to the flight genre, I still have these games but I don't play them because I have a mac now and have no wish to put windows on my system.
Judging by the flight mechanics and detail that I have seen this would be a system seller for me if I didn't have a next gen console. I have a ps3 and do not have a Xbox but if this game was only coming to the Xbox I would buy one.

I just heard of this game last week when I saw the demo on the Xbox live marketplace. I thought... hmm this might be fun. I never played any of the IL2 series of games, but I have been playing flight sims for years. After playing through the demo I was so impressed with it I pre-ordered it immediately. It is by far one of the best looking flight sim games I have ever seen. The plane models, damage physics, terrain, etc. are suberb. I don't think this game will fly of the shelves, but it will keep me most occupied until MW2 comes.

I am just happy that a game like BOP is coming to the consoles.

I'll admit it's a bit worrying that a lot of people haven't heard of this game yet just a couple of weeks before the release.

However I believe this game can appeal to a lot of console gamers and once word gets out, there might be more console gamers interested in this game than one would expect.

Small sales due to niche market

Sorry but that is the truth. These type of games have a very limited appeal especially to the console market.

Great sales once word is out

People voting for this much either on crack or totally delusional.

And now the niche market has been completely turned off due to lack of German cockpits!

One of the reasons I have some hope that this game will have satisfactory sales is that there are at least two ww2 flying games coming out (the other being Heroes Over Europe). Before a company would take on such a cost of creating a game there must be some market research and revenue projections. Games with shitty sales are usually the result of poor development and not poor genre choice. I'm not saying that this game will take the world by storm but I really hope that it does well for two reasons: 1. So that we may have more and 2. to reward the devs for their work and vision.

kudos bro...your're getting famous without any respect from diz community...

"kudarane..." pm me & i'll giv u da answers...*sigh*

I don't know how many of you guys have even checked, but currently BoP is the second most popular demo on the marketplace. I don't care if IL-2 is incredibly niche, because BoP is looking to expand on that by adding an arcade mode.

And I also had never heard of IL-2 until this demo, and look where it has brought me... their forum.

Flying sims may be a niche market but having a ton of fun isn't. If it turns out to be a kick-ass game that a variety of people can enjoy, then it could do quite well. Having the arcade mode will be one of the reasons if this game does well. Having the sim mode will keep it connected to it's roots and prove that this game is based on history in aviation. Having realistic mode will make people like me sport a perpetual shit-eating grin.

This game coming to the consoles is a welcome surprise; I already had plans to get Heroes over Europe, so this is icing on the cake.

I think it will sell well enough to garner a sequel, but probably won't fly off the shelves. This type of game never really does, though.

September is going to be GREAT!

Is HOE ;) gonna be semi-realistic, like BOP ? Or is it arcade ?

Totally arcade. No realism.

There is even this weird feature where you can choose what part of the plane to shoot(including the pilot himself).

Oh, i figured there couldn't be TWO new realistic flying games comming to consoles, at the same time, virtually. That would be too good, right ?

Well, IMO, I think the IL2 brand was the perfect flight sim brand to bring to consoles considering how popular, realistic, and unlimited the original was.

Great, i've been waiting along time for more realistic games, like this one and Operation Flashpoint to come to next-gen consoles. Finally the wait is over !!:grin:

Although I was pleased by your avatar, I am not so sure Codemasters will simulate the next series of OFP.

It is very likely I will buy it anyway, but I'm waiting to hear news on ArmA2 to Xbox(not to start a contriversy, but I have seen and heard BIS devs say it is coming to the Xbox.).

I haven't heard any news of arma2 comming to the 360, but if it does, i'll just have to get a 360 then, Even if Ofp2 is not as SUPER realistic and complex as Arma2, it will be better any other console shooters out, no ? It should be a more polished and streamlined game with less bugs than arma too, on the positive side.
Say, it plays just like cod ( which it isn't going to ), just the fact that it's on this HUGE island should make for a MUCH better experience. That along with a realistic damage system and no health regeneration, and i'm sold. I just hope this new engine is good. I hated the shooting mechanics in BFBC and Far Cry 2 but thought they were decent in cod, execpt for the recoil.

Right. I think it will easily kill COD and BFBC. I think the weapons are simulated at least. And yes, I have a feeling ArmA2 will be filled with glitches while OFPDR will be more smooth. I haven't read anything about it recently, but it looks like it's one hell of a game.

I've seen some BIS devs say that they are developing for Xbox(no news for PS3 at all) and that they had planned a simultanious release with the PC version, but it didn't happen. I heard there are no hardcore difficulty differences between the PC and Xbox which is good to hear. The thing is, is that they can't announce a game without certain requirements first and that's why they are 'technically' not developing for the 360.

Okay, let's keep this thread on topic though.:-P Feel free to PM me.

Cool, thanks.

I think this game will do quite well IF they advertise on telivision. I kind of doubt the publisher has enough faith in the title to put down that kind of money though.

Sorry for derailing again - but Armed Assault II is not announced for consoles anymore on the official homepage. OFP will definitely be the most realistic military shooter for some time to come.

And back on topic:

I didn't vote until I saw the live broadcast with audio yesterday evening (was at work when it was originally broadcasted and had to turn off audio). Mark disclosed a lot of details about the game and everything I heard was good news.

However, let's be realistic. It's a flight game and the market is limited. Still I think that BoP will do a lot better than HoE and will (hopefully) become the most sold flying game on consoles.

With some good reviews it might pick up more than expected sales.

For me it's a winner already. Ever since i was a kid (many, many years ago) loved planes and loved games. Apart from Aces of the Pacific flight sims never really interested me. Until i downloaded the demo for BoP. On realistic mode it strikes (for me at last) the perfect balance between fun and the feeling of actually controlling a plane. I don't want to fall out of the sky every 2 seconds (simulation mode =)) And i don't want something that looks like a plane but acts like something that isn't affected by gravity (arcade mode).

That's why I said they can't technically announce it without certain requirements. There is like 5 Q&A videoes of BIS devs on Youtube stating that they are developing for the xbox because they need the money and to bring a hardcore game to consoles for once.

ya arma is most definately going to consoles , and operation flashpoint looks like horse crap. 4vs4 online? please .....

When ? A year ? 2 ? 4 ? Like Ofp ?

Yea, the mp #"s are low for consols, that sucks, but it's really gonna be 16 vs 16 with the ai. The ai is gonna make or break this game. Hopefully it's good, playing h-core/co-op, with 3 friends should be good. Sorry for gettin off topic again.

I just hope Sim mode will be played enough online!

it doesnt matter really , even if arma ships broken like it did on pc 3 years from now it will still be thousands of times better than operation flashpoint

And no , its not going to be "16vs16"

They are trying to actually push the idea that the AI is half decent , its not , if you watch the videos you can see how bad it is , one in particular the player busts down the door of a house to find 2 chinese , he kills them both without even getting shot at.

what its going to be like is 4 players leaving their squads at the spawn to go off and fight , the vehicles are useless with 4 human players, and the map is useless considering you can have one hell of a "match" with 3 buildings and a road.

Okay guys I'm really sorry but this conversation doesn't belong here.

I feel the thread has gone way off topic and should be closed if this keeps up.

Back on topic... I think BoP could sell and get enough support for a sequel.

Yeh i see this game doing realy quite well

I don't think it will do Ace Combat numbers, but I think it will sell very well for the genre.

A lot of people I know were pretty stoked after playing the demo, not the sort who had ever even picked up a flight sim before. I'm not sure it will sell loads straight away but I reckon it will do steady business and pick up a following.

Due to the three modes of play the game is highly versatile and accessible. If the multiplayer is good, I believe we will be posting about the release date of BOP2 next year.

Well you hit the nail on the head didn't you. It's about getting that balance down.

I think that if you understood some basic principles of aerodynamics you would understand how to keep from "falling out of the sky". Hopefully you can get the hang of it because once you do you won't go back to the Xwing feel that so many consoles replicate. Good luck

AceCombat franchise has been on air over than 14 years already, imagine their experience in Aeriel warfare game would be unbeatable...

seriously i bought my 1 ps3 JUST to play their series but the outcome was really sad.

to beat em up i believe its impossible, we might win da battle but to win da war it will takes real time.

as for me if let say they put one IL-2 & ACX on a rack, i'll rather & undoubtly choose IL-2 coz i'm more interested in WWII aircraft rather than advance aerial warfare.

WWII pioneers, they had contribute so many warefare tecnology that exist today for our daily sake of use.

Like most Italian said: I salute you...:rolleyes:

Im guessing it will do better than modern sims like Lock On.... Don't like being killed by a missile flinging enemy so far away he can't be seen.

And when Im old and wear 2 inch thick glasses I'll rant about the good old days when man killed each other with their bare hands and not with fancy weapons :rolleyes:

yes indeed, it will be the best to date game when it release, it will be wrecking havoc, GREAT game that lies in shadow...one day those people will see it emerge from da cloud & with pride & glory.

yea & perhaps killing people in the future were only by using a single
button...or worst by summoning their names LOL