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Metroplex 07-03-2009 08:44 AM

Is it possible to reach the top level?
 
Seeing how near the end of the game there are simply NO enemies to fight anymore in all the areas of the game?
There should be at least some spawning enemies in all areas you have visited before just like in Titan Quest, a game that never run out of enemies and allowed to gain XP points.
Sorry if this topic has been raised before but I couldn't find it, maybe this can be fixed in a future update as this severely limits the playability of this fine game.:)

Elwin 07-03-2009 09:23 AM

Try gremlins castle or surpressing items, one person on this forum reached lvl 31 already

DGDobrev 07-03-2009 03:33 PM

Yeah, but I "cheated" that through the bugged item tactics treatise (morale gets to 0 and never gets better, allowing unlimited suppressions), and suffice to say, it took how many was it... 1830 something suppressions (on impossible) and more than a reat-time day to do it?

I do admit I was bored and I do admit I have no problem grinding, but I wouldn't recommend doing such feats of stupidity. Looking back at it, I may well get into the american show "what were you thinking?" :)

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...?t=7602&page=3

Here's the link for the topic. The Max XP will never go over the value you'll see on the screenshots.

Direwolf 07-04-2009 04:17 PM

Hi All,

I don't believe that it should be too difficult.

I just finished a game on impossible at lvl 28. The key here would be to level up the "learning" skill on the mind tree at the VERY beginning of the game. This would increase your XP by an incremental 10% beyond the lvl 1 that most peeps do.

If i add 10% to the lvl 28 it almost gets me to lvl 31 and i left almost all the stacks in demonis untouched as well as most of the stack in Murdock.

my .02 cents.

cheers,
DW

Vilk 07-05-2009 10:23 AM

That's not so simple because the xp given by a fight is dependent of the player level (and most probably that's not dependent of the stack relative size so it's probably useless to attempt fight with reduced stacks to get more xp).

From various players attempt quote in this forum it seems that it's impossible to reach level 31 without to exploiting a random bug.

But that's the point, level 30 is the max, the game mechanism allows higher level but that's pure mechanical, the game mechanics probably also allow level 100... and then use monster regen just to reach level 100? Tedious and pointless.

Elwin 07-05-2009 10:54 AM

NO, DGDobrev said already that u cant go further than lvl 31

Vilk 07-05-2009 11:33 AM

That's wrong, exploiting a bug, and that's even one you aren't sure to get, doesn't count. Max level isn't 31 but 30.

DGDobrev 07-05-2009 12:25 PM

You can hit 31 on easy, because it's only 500k XP to get there. In addition to that, 31 is the absolute max. If you hit 31 and fight, you won't get any more experience, since you've reached the cap. I did a few more suppressions of the treatise just to make sure of that.

I was well aware that some people would jump at me for exploiting a bug. I did it for fun, bordering with insanity and stupidity. I still like what happened.

Vilk, with all due respect mate - max level is 31. The game says so. The fact that you can't hit it even if you clean up the entire map on normal, hard or impossible is irrelevant.

boty 07-06-2009 09:20 AM

Sadly, you cannot gain over 30 level with the spirits of rage either. I am playing now with the paladin on impossible. My hero has almost 27 lvl on Demonis (I have to kill Baal, I've already defeated Xeona), day 14. All I want to say is Lina and The Reaper have 30 lvl. The combination Rage draining-Gizmo was very effective, imagine 3 gizmo's on the battlefield at the same time, each one doing 1000-2000 points damage. Lina could reach at least 32 lvl.

DGDobrev 07-06-2009 11:08 AM

Maybe 1C took a point and that's why they made the dragon in KBAP (same as the spirits of rage) to level up to 50 at first (you character can get up to 60) and then with patch 1.0.1 or 1.0.2 made it level up to 60 as well. That way you don't get to use lower level helper skills that would do little or no harm to the enemy.

Vilk 07-06-2009 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DGDobrev (Post 81899)
Vilk, with all due respect mate - max level is 31. The game says so. The fact that you can't hit it even if you clean up the entire map on normal, hard or impossible is irrelevant.

Well ok I didn't quote you couldn't get any xp over 31, that said, I see it in another way, can I? :-) In my point of view it's not possible to reach level 31 without cheating so 31 is limit with cheating, 30 is limit without cheating.

You also mention it's possible to reach level 31 in easy mode but have you tried? I didn't quote any result mentioning it.

DGDobrev 07-07-2009 09:19 AM

Well, I didn't, but looking at the xp from normal, on paper it seems possible. I doubt anyone ever played the game on easy, though... I would, if there was a "quick battle" button (since the enemy strength is greatly reduced), otherwise it's just not worth the waste of time. If anyone's willing to do all quests, kill absolutely all enemies on the map, get absolutely all treasures and such... he can feel free to try. Oh, and get the learning upgrade at char lvl 1 because of the extra runes :)

I may be wrong though. I'm not dismissing that possibility at all, don't get me wrong :)

boty 07-07-2009 09:51 AM

As I've already said, the spirits of rage stopped at 30 lvl- I do not remember the number of the points exactly- an gain no more experience, even I'm still using them intensively. I suppose it will happen exactly with the hero if I reach 30 lvl.

boty 07-07-2009 01:24 PM

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20098 is the limit

DGDobrev 07-07-2009 09:47 PM

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The spirits are another matter :) They get XP independently and in a different manner. The character's XP bar gets full up only when the hero hits 31. Here are the screenies I took when I hit it using the treatise bug after I had beaten Haas.

phalzyr 07-09-2009 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DGDobrev (Post 82106)
I may be wrong though. I'm not dismissing that possibility at all, don't get me wrong :)

Isn't the amount of enemies also reduced so thus... They said it was done so you'd be same level as you go through game no matter what difficulty you were in. It might require less XP but you also get that percent less XP as you play... Just a thought...

Vilk 07-09-2009 08:55 PM

Yes that is how is working normal vs hard, levels requires less xp but you gain less xp and in both level 31 seems not possible without cheating or exploiting a bug.


But as soon as nobody tried in easy and quote the result, it's impossible to guess the possible final result.

DGDobrev 07-09-2009 09:12 PM

It is again impossible. I dedicated a real life day trying to hit 31 on easy with the proper equipment. Vilk was right.

However, everyone seems to be branding or labeling me and pretty much calling me a cheater here. I guess that's how life goes - you point out a bug that is easy to exploit and even prove how far it may go and everyone jumps at you. Very well. All I can say is that I'm really sorry I made that post, that topic, etc. Refraining from doing that would have saved a lot of people pointess bragging, analyzing, posting. etc. I'll try not to make the same mistake in the future in this forum.

Vilk 07-20-2009 11:41 AM

I apologize, cheater wasn't what I meant, you clearly wasn't one because you always clearly stated you had exploited a bug to reach level 31. At reverse that little story show how honest you are.

I don't know which word would fit I just wanted point, like you did yourself, that it wasn't with standard play you could reach level 31. Very sorry for my erroneous word usage.

Razorflame 09-21-2009 01:51 PM

even with rina giving (i believe +20% extra exp)
the treatise item for anohter +10%
and your learning skill and maybe keeper of light

wouldn't even give u level 31 on impossible
just too few fights ;-)


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