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out of the entire war europe and pacific what do u think was the best plane?
i think the japanese N1K Shiden rules

Nice choice :grin:

But im going to go with the British Supermarine Spitfire Mark XVl ;)

thats a nice choice too but im sticking with my original answer

I dont blame you in the slightest, its a briliant flying machine

it could have been better though the moving parts on the tail were quite small so the plane could have been slightly stronger and a little more agile

Didnt they improve on that with the N1K2-J?

i dont know i have only seen version 1

De havilland mosquito! The plane that could do almost anything, and with great speed. ;)

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Pe-2 http://avions.legendaires.free.fr/pe2.php
pride of the Red Army :)

I like also the He 162 http://avions.legendaires.free.fr/he162.php
The Spitfire and the Bf-109

Has to be the P-51D MUSTANG.

With so many variants it´s hard to say.
But there are four airplanes that I really like.

FW190D---> Amazing at high altitude. Great maneuverability at high speeds and a great high tech piece at that time.

Me262---> First combat ready jet. Stylish plane It could have been deadly if it had been produced in massive quantities.

BF109F/G--> I used to fly them in IL2. :)

F-86F---> I know, it doesn´t belong to the WWII, But it is a so beautiful jet!!!!.

I think it would be neat to get the ta-183 with x-4 air-to-air missiles so it is still technically WWII themed. Maybe in a DLC or something.

P-51, no question.

For all round manouverability, firepower and the fact that it's long range bomber escort ability changed the course of the war, I'd have to say the P-51 Mustang as well. Plus it looks just as sexy as the Spitfire. :cool:

Personal fave would be a FW190 Dora D9.

But the undoubted best, the fighter that had the greatest impact on arrival would have to be the P-51.

I'd say the plane that carried Fat Man and Little Boy would be the plane with the biggest impact. Not to mention having the range and bomb capacity needed for late war bombing.
Gotta love the P-51d though. The P-51 and bombing go hand in hand.
Fortunately, a favorite isn't required. Too many to name and in different specialties.

I choose Yak-3P without second thought.

manuverability: excellent no other fighter can reach her.
fire power: excellent 3x20mm canon on nose.
speed: excellent with speedtoweight ratio.
acceleration: superb

I just impressed with this bird even though it went to full production in 1945.
Very small my lover :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN1-5BP0xSU

if ur looking fer good bomber escort then the p82 twin mustang is awsome

when i made my original choice of the N1K i forgot the A1 Skyraider if a fighter variant was ever made it would own the sky it was such a good plane the USAF used it as late as vietnam.

but also my hat is off to the corsair and the hellcat they played a big part in the us pacific success

F4U Corsair

BF109

These jets always make me think that the war would have ended differently had Hitler made better use of their jets.

steady on old chap, the Mustang might well have been the girl to get your knees trembling, but the Spitfire was the girl you married...


No one's mentioned the Mosquito- Two Merlin engines carrying balsawood- stupidly quick and after the superchargers were fitted it flew above the 262s ceiling height- I wondered how it felt to have your unbeatable state of the art interceptor bested by shed-tech!

The "Cheeky Bast@rd" plane...they even turned up at Nazi Rallies in Berlin in 1943 when the Goosesteppers claimed it was impossible- "OI OI!"
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For me it's the yak 3

http://avions.legendaires.free.fr/yak3.php

the French pilots of the normadie niemen had 300 kills with that plane!!

the GO229 was a good plane but no rudder meant it would get owned by enemy aces

Post of the week.


Love the Skeeter, and a ton of them were built in Canada. The wooden wonder - the buzzbomb basher!

Four cannons in the nose, please.

It definately HAS to be the de-haviland mosquito. This is because it was a truly brilliant design, so brilliant infact it was used for; fighter, night fighter, bomber, pathfinder, anti shipping and photo-recon. Because of its mix of the wonderful rolls merlin engine and its laminated wooden construction, hence 'wooden wonder,' 'and the timber terror,' it was extreamly durable, light and fast. Infact it was the fasted combat aircraft until 1944! Becasue of the power and lack of weight the mossie could carry 4000lb bombs!!! (2/3 the max load of a b-17 btw) And if a 4000lb bomb is not your cup of tea, then you could have a 57mm gun in the nose for anti shipping. Its accuracy and ability to dodge hostiles, can be displayed with the bombing run on feb 18, 1944 when 19 mossies managed to blow a wall up on a prison, whilst the prisoners were in the yard!!! They didn't get hurt by it at all, AND most of them escaped, and then in october 1944 they managed to blow a wall up on the gestapo hq at aarhus university so the dutch resistance leaders could escape. Infact the plane was so great it remained on frontline service till december 15, 1955. That is a 15yr old wooden design in an age of jets!!! i LOVE this plane. Plus it spawned the just as impressive de havilland hornet.

What he said!

Infact can anyone confirm that the Mossie is in BOP?

That would kick ass if it were.

Blighty you must have watched the same documentary i did. Battlefield Mysteries, I think. Great programme, decent CGI and they talk about those crazy bouncing bomb raids; not to mention knocking down V2 rockets.

One Mossie came back with no paint, charred up from a close range kill. Pretty cool picture.

I remember, in Aces over Europe you could pick a Mosquito squadron with the Huge cannon loadout - awesome sound effect, and blew the shit out the merchant ships ...and a 190 or two, heh.

If there's a BOP 2 someday I will beg for a dynamic campaign, seriously.

P-47D. Period. Best plane ever. Plus, it looks awesome!!

no

you dont need a rudder when you are nearly twice as fast as the other guy

To each his own.

true but there were experimental missiles being tested too

It has a pair of airbrakes for a rudder.

I just love the P-47 because, A, it looks cool and B it can take a ton of fire. Not very maneuverable but other than that it's good.

The P47 is certainly an interesting plane to fly. It dives very fast but once you have lost altitude it is hard to get back above your enemy, and even the Bf109 and Fw190, notorious for their poor turning circles, can turn inside it. The plus points are a huge capability to both receive and deal out punishment, but a good pilot in a 109 or 190 will smoke you. This is one of the few planes where I would recommend you take every head on pass opportunity available.

Keep in mind that there's a lot more to flight in WWII than just dogfighting. The most productive stuff happened vs. ground targets and bombers. "Best plane" would hardly be limited to just fighters. "Favorite" maybe, but that's not the topic. ;)

And that is the exact reason why i think that the mossie was the best plane of WWII. It was fast, cheap, VERY versatile, easy to make because of the wood (that meant that furnature manufacturers could be sub-contracted, not disrupting the aircraft industry,) strong and looks cool. The large engines just besides the cockpit make it look really beefy. And because of the weight, or rather lack of weight, it did not have the manouverability issues the P-47 did. Plus, get the right variant (or the hornet) then you can pack one hell of a punch.

Have to disagree 100%. Any P47 (with the exception of the 'N') at low altitude is a poor performer compared with most 190's but at 25,000ft a P47D completely out performs all the 190's, even the Dora 9. 190's have quite poor high altitude turbo chargers and extremely high wing loading so they stall allot in the thin air.

Some 109's have excellent low speed turning circles due to the wing slats, low wing loading and high power to weight ratio. I would never try to out turn a 109, probably with the exception of the K4. 190's also at high speed can have quite a good instantaneous turn for about 90 degrees. At 400mph a Dora can out turn quite a few good low speed turners.

in the total absence of any counter-argument I do declare the mosquito the winner on planet blighty. If anyone disagrees they are obviously a shandy drinking la-la...

now bring on the wooden wonder in DLC or in true British tradition I will stand around looking cross whilst tutting and shaking my head. You've been warned:mad:
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Best fighters are

Germany: 109Gs, FW190... Actually there are no bad planes at their times in Luftwaff

Soviet: Yak-3s, Lavochkin planes. others are shits..Migs, LaGGs, Ishaks

US: P47, P51D ( only late versions not allison engine P51s ther are shits too) I don't know pacific air war all I know is that that is not as big as Eastern Front Air wars

GB: Spitfires . Others are shits Hurricane...etc

Jap: Mzeros, Ki47

If u fight like Hartmann style u prefer more fast P51D merline engine or MS109K
If u fight like Turn fighters u prefer Yak-3P or Zeros.

how is your goose stepping coming along...?

I think if you listen to the remaining pilots of the many planes you describe as "shits" they'd have a very different view...not many "bad workmen" there...

And ironically enough most of the "shits" were on the winning side...

oh well, at least there's hope of dismissiveness becoming an olympic sport.
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u think the zero is a good plane? dont make me laugh it was only successful because the american aircraft were F4F wildcats which r terible and they lost big time when corsair and hellcat were introduced

The A6M was a good plane. It was probably the best thing in the pacific until 1943. The F4F wasn't bad either, just the tactics employed when using them was bad. The USN then listened to Chenault on tactics that works on a slower but superior turning aircraft.

Perhaps that is because I tend to fly lower down, in the 5-15,000ft range, and my experience is based on that. This is where the 190s perform best, especially the BMW 801 engined variants.

Some 109's do indeed have quite good turning circles, especially the F and early G models, but I have never heard anyone say the 109 had a low wing loading. The E has a high wing loading for its period, the F, my favourite 109, has a fairly typical wing loading compared to its contemporaries and from the G onwards the wing loading is average to high. The 109 can turn well at low speed but is a poor high speed turner and has a poor instantaneous turn, while the 190 is good because it loses less of its turning ability as speed increases than most other fighters.

The F has typical wing loading (if has a different wing to the E but it was still a good turner) but as I say, a very good power to weight ratio. The G's are still good knife fighters and the G2 is pretty hot.

Probably the most comprehensive details anywhere, net, book or otherwise on the 109 are here: http://www.kurfurst.org/

The 190's ability to turn tight in the first 90 degrees at high speed is the reason why the 109's can't, the stick force needed to move the elevators at those speeds.

true but the A6M's slow roll cut away half its advantage plus if it did a vertical dive the wings were at risk of coming off

bigger picture really- the zeros major plus point was its big range for such a small plane (in it's day)- that and the japs stripped it bare to save weight-including safety features- good for maneouvres-bad for keeping your good pilots alive...
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i hate the zero because of its roll rate however i think the ki43 is quite good so good at turning

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A380

my favorite plane is the ME-109

I dont understand the focke wulf buzz

it's name has endless joke potential...
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lol, how did you know about planet blighty?

On another note- NO DLC PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It just leaves out us people who don't want to spend even more money on LIVE when £40 for the game is enough. IT IS NOT FAIR!!!!! If it is possible for the developers to put planes in the game- then why not put some more in as unlockables? Just let us people who don't have LIVE, have all of the planes. That is one of the things that has got people riled up on the 'battlestations pacific' forums.

Too late. Already the P47D and Ta152 will be DLC only, available free to people who pre-order but everyone else will have to pay to fly them.

...and only people who pre-order in the UK.

DLC doesn't bug me - what bugs me is when it has no value; whether its something tangible that costs too much, or if it just plain sucks costly or not.

Best plane is no doubt the Yak-3 or La-5F. Both could handle Germany's top fighters with ease.

Yak-3 vs Fw-190 A3 would be a killer dogfight to see.

La-5F vs Me109 F2 would also be a great dogfight to see.

i dont mind DLC but for every1s sanity make it free please

I would pick a Spitfire XIV over either, and probably any of the two stage Merlin Spitfires too, but they are good fighters, and certainly a match for the Bf109 and Fw190.

The only later Spitfire I like is the MkIX. I prefer the earlier Spitfires just because after the MkIX, they got to weird for me.

Also, I think the Me-109F2-4 are the best. G's are to clanky and big.

The Spitfire XIV is an good plane to fly. Handling isn't as nice as the Merlin engined Spitfires, but is still good compared to most other fighters, and the XIV features a good top speed and sensational climb rate. Whats more, unlike most fast and quick climbing fighters, the XIV has a decent turning circle. In fact, the only real let down with this fighter is range, and the possibly the way medium-high speed roll rates are only average.

As for 109s, my favourite is like yours the Bf109F, in particular the F4 because I feel the F2 is just a bit too undergunned.

I think it's almost guaranteed to happen, and I probalby would like to buy new units. I just wonder how MP is going to be handled with it. Will I be able to join servers with people that pre-ordered from Game or whatever ? I never pre-order, there's no point the shops are always full of game. I'm assuming that all clients are going to have the same content as the host to be able to join their server. It looks like if I don't preorder I'm going to have to buy new content to access a lot of the UK servers on day 1.

I very much doubt that. The way an intelligent developer would resolve this problem would be to build the DLC planes into the main game, and when you brought the DLC off Xbox Live you would get what would effectively be a key to unlock aircraft already in the game.

Any future DLC planes would just need to be patched into the game at the same point the DLC itself became available to purchase. This would mean players without the DLC could fight in the same servers with or against players who did have the DLC, but only those with the DLC unlocked could pilot these aircraft.

Shame Eidos Hungary can't think of a simple solution like this for BSP.

Best plane? I dont know, but I want to say P-38 Lightning. :grin: Im pretty sure it was the only mass produced single-seat double-engined plane of its time. And it was built to do a ton more things... it could climb faster, if I remember right. :rolleyes:

I like the Messerschmitt BF-109 :) And the Spitfire.

The Lightning was a good fighter. Its combination of a high top speed, great climb, good high speed handling, good firepower, long range and the added safety of being able to fall back onto one engine in case of a failure meant it performed very well in the Pacific. Who cares about having a lousy turning circle when you can use boom and zoom tactics all day on slower fighters.

However the Lightning didn't really cut it in Europe. The Fw190 and Bf109 were as fast and more manoeuvrable, and the Lightning struggled to hold its own even as an escort. If the German fighters had been going after the escorts instead of the bombers the Lightning wouldn't have even managed a 1:1 kill ratio in Europe.

In my experience online, the F2-F4 always won a dogfight if the LA didn't break off and try to get away. It seemed to turn a bit better at low speed.

The later models (G2 is still ok) of 109 just got too fat and useless for mixing it up and I never used them for anything but boom-n-zoom and I considered the FW190's superior for that job.

I think yak-3 vs FW190 A3 is a bit too much in yak's favor, at least in game. Seemed to me the Yak had every advantage - it even rolls with the FW. I never engaged yak3's in game beyond a 90 deg turn in a FW. Best hope is to suprise them when playing cockpit only servers.

ME-262 or my fav airplane of all time the FW-190

I think the Fokker G-1 or XXI are the sexiest.... Mmm, i must be Dutch! :)

Mitchel

Cool I find another french Pilot... :)
We should really create a Normandie Nieme squadron (well if your are on X360)

SB2 Dauntless. It turned the Pacific theater around for the U.S. at Midway.

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Mine would have to be the ME BF109 G-6 and the Focke Wolfe 190 Dora 9

Go Germans!

I have to agree here. The BF-109 COULD turn just as good, if not better than the vaunted Spit. Its just that many of the pilots were scared to push it to its limits.

The P51-No cannons and little armor protection.

My other choices are the Corsair and the Bearcat.

Seafire 47, just cause it looks so cool

Ah thats an easy one!!!! :-P ;)


The mighty HAWKER HURRICANE



If anyone flames me for that then i'll go with my second choice....

actually before i do...what kind of plane are we talking about? fighter? bomber? recon? etc etc..

fighter - Spitfire Mk IX
Heavy bomber - Avro Lancaster (huge payload, lacks a ball turret, but at night.... does the job extremely well)

Medium bomber - De havilland Mosquito OR B25 Mitchell
Torpedo plane - TBM Avenger
Dive bomber - Ju87 Stuka OR Dauntless
Ground attack - Hawker Typhoon
Escort - P51 Mustang


Just my "personnal" choices.

The Hurricane won the Battle of Britain. No complaints from me

I love the Hurricane. :)

Whats not to love? :-P :grin:

My favorite plane from Europe...deffinantly the Avro Lancaster... second would be the P-51 then the P-47 and then the Spitfire. After that some German planes like the BF-109 and TA-153.

i just watched a documentory about that horten the guys at dreamland i think it was called basicly the guys who build the stealth bomber built a replica horten then hung it from a crane to c if it was stealth and it worked !!!
so if the nazis had enough time to mass produce this the world would be a very different place right now scary thought :confused:

anyway i think is got to be the mossie :)

That against a Japanese Zero or Oscar, it would get chewed up. Same goes for Spitfires. Burma was not a pretty place for Hurricanes, neither was Darwin, Australia.

I really do wish the Bearcat would come out in a video game. Even though it saw no action, I do believe it was in production before the end of the war.

Hopefully they will have the F4U available as a DLC. Definatly my favorite American plane.

Yes, the Zero would chew up the Hurricane, but not the Spit. You could throw a rock at a Zero and it would explode.

I am sticking to the BF-109 myself. It has yet to recieve a fair representation in any video game.

There is no best plane, just the better pilot, training and air doctrine.
But in staying with the thread, I would say any that feature in the BOB Memorial Flight.

God Bless The Few. ( or this would be in Deutsch)

sure, but at least we'd have axis cockpits in the game...
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