ATT. Site ADMIN - pull the fingers out!
 

To admins & moderators;

You really need to get your stuff together!

I cannot believe that the official site of IC, has a contract employee (apparently), actively insulting your paying customers; and pretty much by your inaction's, supporting it by not policing your forum.

This mod issue is completely moot; thankfully you put an end to the last conflicts by locking the last mod threads;

Get your keys out, and remove these posts before it really escalates!

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=5793

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=3607

As a non-mod user, and a long time user (since the beta release way back when), I find it rather sickening that you allow this sort of garbage to carry on! These threads have done more damage than the mods/hacks could ever have done!

Ridiculous!

If you are referring to me... I didn't start the one thread.... and the other one I did start was a legitimate question, considering the other thread you linked, which was started by a newcomer, who by the way also asked a legitimate question. You are right about one thing though... the mods issue is a moot point... it certainly isn't mute though.. considering the volume of whine with all that cheese. Who did I insult by the way? I thought I was pretty civil for the most part...

Not you Bearcat, the OP's, your self included, had reasonably fair questions. The fact is, here on the Banana Forums, these simply cannot be discussed civilly.

(thanks for pointing out the typo)

Rgr... and it is sill IMO because it is what it is.... just enjoy the sim, thats my take.

so....wouldn't a pm have done the trick????

THINK MAN! T H I N K! :rolleyes:

Sadly...for some of us....that's become increasingly ....difficult.

Why???

Be your own man and enjoy it, if others want to do differant let them, why should their take on the game affect you, and why should yours affect them???

No one is asleep here.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...90&postcount=1

There is an old saying... "If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen".

One thing I have learned about air combat simulation enthusiats. They are an aggresive, in-your-face, group. I understand and respect that, moderation should be more the responsibility of posters. They should realize it is doubtful anyone is going to verbally run over or abuse anyone on air combat simulation forums. LOL

I love it... A little contention makes it work.

Happy New Year to everyone

Relax!
 

Don’t get your knickers in a twist over this!

If you really been around for that long you must have been over at UBI´s when the PL and ORR was still open. The “community” that wrecked these sites will never be forgotten by the users. Well it’s the same evil characters, or type of characters, that, from time to time, come over here jumping up and down shrieking like baboons trying to make the most damage they can. Smirking and laughing if they find an easy prey; like you!

Don’t give them any attention and they will disappear real soon.
Like the man said;

“It is a tale … full of sound and fury; signifying nothing.”

Viking

well the simple and easy response is...the streets are running rampant with crack heads and good peacfull citisens are finding it increasinly harder to vernture out into HL at night. Lets face it...it's just not safe in the naborhood any more man.

D@mn... now modders are being mentioned in the same sentence as crackheads.. All I can say is it is a good thing for you that the spelling police aren't around or they'd lock your behind up and toss the key... ;)

Bearcat, it is to be expected. He is just a little bit discombobulated after having his Alabama Crimson Tide (ranked #4) hammered by the Utah Utes (ranked #7) 31-17 in the Sugar Bowl. :)

Hang on a sec. You said recently that you don't even play the game at the moment and have not done so for quite some time. Or perhaps you do?

I saw your post in the no-links thread at Ubi. You swore that if people were not going to play the game your way, you'd download every crack and disreputable hack you could find and wreck the game their way.
Perhaps all this holier-than-thou smack talk is just a smoke screen to cover up for the fact that you are a cheater yourself.

Oh, btw: I took the liberty of correcting your spelling and grammar for you. ;)

Copperhead, you are way off base here sir.

I fly with and without mods and absolutely see no more shenanigans online then before this whole mod thing started.

There were always "cheats" in the sim, speedhacks and what not, but the numbers using them were small, and remain so. The online arena certainly does not resemble a dark alley full of drug addicts, as you so graphically put it. Why are you going on this way?

The only thing than has changed in the last year or so, at least from my perspective, is that a lot more people are flying smarter. Way more BnZ and far less TnB. This has taken some of the fun out of flying I grant you, but the sim is not a cesspool of 733t ha@x0rz, it just isn't.

busted again .... how many skins that guy have ?

Z

omg. lol yeah right. Ok take something i wrote when i was ticked off and agrivated.....and blow it out of proportion. Smart.

and i don't need any one to correct my spelling or grammer. it's the internet, get a freaking clue already. As long you ppl get the point does it really matter. I've said it a billion times. i can type. i can spell. just can't do both at the same time. I don't edit what i consider to be quick responses. if it's important enough then i pay more attention.

and yeah i'm still playing. mostly on Warclouds. we're i know the guys i'm flying with and it's a no mod server.

When ever are you not ticked off and aggravated?

yeah it is very disapointing loosing to that team from the pedofile state.

Smitty, our LT....will be a #3 draft pick. top lineman in the country. Made a bad choice and had to sit it out.

Bama sacks: 4
Utah sacks: 8

We gave up more sacks in one damn game than we have all year. Kinda hard on JP to hit Julio for good yardage when he's flat of his ass all night. With out Andre our left side was very soft. Add to that Mike Johnson getting taken out...we went pretty deep into the depth chart. what with all the damn chop blcks and holding that never got called....no wonder. that's ok. #1 class last year, we'll be in the top 5 this year...we RELOAD and Utah goes back in to obscurtiy to marry 5 or 6 twelve year olds.

We'll be ready after the spring. No other school in NCAA Div. 1 can say that they can put 92,000 buts in the seats for a spring practice game. which is why we had the class last year, and why we'll have it again this year. Up set? no. a little disapointed...well...yeah. but considering we went 7-6 last year...and 12-2 this year....i'll take the 12 and 2 any day. With going 1/2 the season @ #1. beating Cleamson, Ms. State, Tennesee, and the Barn (36-0) so bad they all had to fire thier coaches...beating the presason #1 UGA bulldogs so bad they'll never have another black out again. Shuting up those bogger eating morrons @ LSU....yeah we had a great year.
So i'm not really upset at all.

not sure what kinda nerve you were going for there bub...but ya missed. take another stab.

about 7 am after i've had coffee. ;) lol

El i wasn trying to make an examle. Maybe a little harsh. didn't mean for it to come across that bad but it did. The example being that everyone and thier brother are now using that stuff. Most of whom were against it months ago.
not emplying that every single damn mod user is a cheater. BC's right i need to back off of that. but it's the compleate distrust in the community.....
never mind. :rolleyes:

The simple truth is that modding and online are two animals that hate each other. It has never worked out well, in no game. IL2 was heavily designed for the online experience-maybe a bit too much, but after all, that was Oleg's choice. IL2 is somehow the worst sim you can decide to mod. You are killing it with the modding, and everyone that says otherwise is an idiot or a liar. About Mods in general, personally, I am really between two chairs...there have been great, even amazing mods for games-look at OFF for CFS3. It's a mega-mod and it's better, far better, than the game itself. Or SH3 and SH4...there are some very nice things done there, like Trigger Maru or GWX. The thing is that modding is anarchism-because there is no quality control, no final approval by some higher instance. Modding is letting everyone write on paper and hope for a book of fine litterature. Sometimes it works out, most is of very poor quality--or/and it breaks the same amount of stuff it tends to repair. What I think is nice though are the new textures for maps and cockpits and such. They hurt nobody and some are really nice. I think Oleg should have allowed such a thing from the start. Even whole map making. But I loath those so called "new planes." Incredible such garbage actually gets applause over at AAA.

lol i'm a COPPERHEAD. a snake. i regenerate. i make new skins all the time.
i may even do one for the p-38 today. hmm there's a thought.

'Bout time to lock these ones isn't it??

Returned to the slagging we had over on the Zoo a couple of years ago, really moved forward.....not.

+1
I agree textures and maps and things of that nature or fine...even FMB/QMB mods are ok IMO. While i'd prefer the go through Oleg for approval...i could live with it if it were just those. but it's not.:(

I don't think so, in fact I disagree 100%...if not more! Your either with us or against us, it can't be both ways. People stay out of Oleg's master piece


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But I loath those so called "new planes." Incredible such garbage actually gets applause over at AAA.


Agree 100%...if not more!

+1


Especially the last sentance.

yes, upcoming mod for dogfight maps which allows moving vehicles and ships ( just a few bugs from being completed) will kill online play for sure ..... get serious

THE SKY IS FALLING ... THE SKY IS FALLING .... remember that ?

Z

you did note i said with Olegs approval...right.

... some guys are driving in car on highway in wrong direction .... at some point they hear warning message on the radio : " Attention all drivers , there is one car driving in wrong direction , be alerted ! " . Now, driver turns to his mates and say : " WTF he's talking about .... not one car , ALL OF THEM ! "

sounds familiar ?

Z

:shock: WHAT!!!??? OMG. your kidding right? well that's amazing.
hell i see now i was wrong all along! i'll be right over there to chip in and help you boys out! how could i have ever been so wrong?

not!

Seriously...i do like the idea. but not with out Olegs Approval.
i have a mental rating system for the evilness of mods. (1. being bad. fm/dm.)
this is around a 3. only slightly less evil than adding unhistoric loadouts to some planes for an obvious advantage in DF.

The ONLY reason. and i mean only reason i won't pitch a b*tch on this one....
is because if you go back to the Original Il-2....Prior to patch 1.2.....there were moving trains in DF. It was eaither 1.2 or 1.4. whatever patch it was that tonned down the FM of the Il-2 to more of a bomber than a fighter /bomber. Some where that got removed. i think it was to free up resouces for DF's. to allow more ppl in the rooms at one time. But that was over 7 yrs ago.

well, i didn't touch the mods or whole modding business until Oleg specifically said that is work on IL2 over ! They consider it finished so i seriously doubt that Oleg even think about IL2 series anymore .... so there can't be any approval or disapproval . The man has moved on ...

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...t=2039&page=12

Z

well from what i've read he made his opinion on that quite clear.
As i have made mine. Untill he changes his...i doubt that mine will be swayed.
and even if he did come out for them....with out some sort of instituinonal control, some board of some sort with in the community to try and reign in the code and the cheaters......

I see on UBI where thier working on Radar. That's sad.
Only becuse some one will do a P-61. And when they do it they won't do it justice and it'll be porked in FM and Dm cause some LW uber nazi will think it's just another twin enigine american target drone that was made from wood and has the FM of a B-17.
:evil:

Christ, you didn't have very happy childhood ... did you ?

I mean , being so negative in general and offensive towards our blue friends ... do remember that this is just a game .... or if you would like to fool yourself : sim .

Anyhow, thanks to mods you do have opportunity to actually make some changes .... so make mod which will be correct . Bitching around is thing of the past ... ( i'm sure Oleg will approve your mod )

Z

Just give it up you stupid old women. All of you. Its getting boring :rolleyes:

+1, getting more than boring, way past that point

Thats just it, alot of people seem to think that Oleg left out for ex. moving trucks, a gazillion troops, fires in 13 differant colours, smoke that can be seen from hundreds of miles...just on pure spite.

well now they have it and, well...FPS killer anyone?

Regardless of rights and wrongs the mods are now here to stay, like it or not.

Why can everyone agree to live and let die, move on and respect another persons views..

I think this has now go to a point that several people (no names etc) have painted themselves into corners that they cannot get out of, or be seen to have changed their minds.
Some do and credit to them for saying so, but how many 'rightous ones' are registered over on AAA with Alias's so as not to be idenified??

Or could it maby be that people register to see and to then be able to know what the hell his talking about...maby?


Puts a completly differant spin on the "20 000 registerd users" thingy, doesnt it ;)

Except that you can view every thing without needing to register :rolleyes: Only to download the unmitigated evil you need to be registered. But none of those there righteous people would do something as disgusting as that now would they?

Nice try, but looking at whats beeing done doesnt really cut the mustard does it.

How do u think i know most of the new fires (buildings) and smokes for ex is a real FPS killer. Drop a couple of bombs over a city whith those "masterpieces" and wach your pc blow up ;)

Does that make me a mod friend?...Hardly.



Damnde if u do and damned if u dont.....is that the deal hu.

A squad mate of mine uses all the special effects, with his 9800GX2 (his system is very similar to mine), without any significant FPS drop. So no, not FPS killer. FPS killer? Get yourself a better computer.

Again, as said many times. Give it up. This is bullshit. Nothing is being gained from it is it? No. All this constant arguing is doing is creating more of a rift than the mods have or ever will do.

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Nearmiss; Don't like the heat, stay out of the fire? Its not the heat that bothers me, its the fact that this site, of all the possible sites, is the one that pretty much promotes the abuse of other members, and other community members. Go figure why this is soooo popular :rolleyes:

Ehhhh, so 1 squadmate of yours with 9800GX2 runs this 7 year old (yes, 7) game without ALMOST no FPS drop when using thees new effects masterpieces, is that right?


Can belive u even argue about it



What my specs are is kind of irrelevant, not everyone runs the same rig your 1 squadmate is.



My point beeing: its easy making new eyecandy stuff without having to worrie about anything eccept how it LOOKS....and not even that is done right most of the times.

Does all the mods suck? No, i would say about 35% euqals what it is supose to replace (orginal) and about 5-10% exceeds it (orginal)....cockpitrepaints for ex.

The rest? Well its plain....new, nothing more, nothing less.

Yes, thats right. With a decent system, there is no loss. Funny how better hardware works eh?

But you know what, I'm not going to pull into your little debate BS - which I must ask though, whats the point in even spouting that? What do you hope to achieve. Your computer can't run it? As I said, buy a new one. If you are really that determined not to use it (which can I say, by your actions you've basically done what a lot of anti-mod users are saying, in that you broke the law by even downloading them :rolleyes::roll:) - what does it matter?

But never mind, you enjoy your little tests of the "nasty, evil, illegal hacks", and you and the rest of your friends that keep pulling this topic into disrepute; continue your spiteful little comments towards other members of the community, and well done for contributing your part in helping destroy the online component of this sim, and the community! :roll::rolleyes:

A+ Baron.

Lol, dude, u really cant handle reasoning based on facts can u.

But hey, when all else fails, get personal, seems to be a standing order amongst u people. U think this kind of awnsers will keep me or anyone for that matter giving my/theire opinion ( on a free forum) ?


SOME PEOPLE DISSEGREES WITH U AND YOUR FRINDS COMPLETLY OR IN PART, DEAL WITH IT AND MOVE ON!


All of u are so wrapped up in stomping on anyone/anything remotly negativ towards mods u dont even notice who is completly against it or who is just partially against it, or who just love mods, but thinks that perticullar mod is plain dogsdodo.


Who i am...well u figure it out when u calmed down. ;) (Ill bet your wrong in any case)



BTW. If E8500 with 9800GTX isnt deasent by todays standard iv goten royaly screwed havent i?



My point stands: its easy beeing creative when u got nothing to worrie about other than making it look good ( or worse as the case may be)


Let me put it this way, as of yet i haven once seen a mod friend say anything remotly negative about any mods whatsoever in thees open dabates, nothing, nada. Cult pops into my head and frankly, it freeks me out. Is there some obligatory brainwash handed out when u register at AAA cos frankly i didnt get one? Who should i PM about that?





P.S. Dont forget to be outraged for beeing compared to a cult.

Just a reminder. ;)


Another way to go is NOT to take everything literally.

I'm one of those who don't use mods, and refuse to use them, but hey, thanks for pointing that out; Those who avidly do not use mods, are the ones that keep getting personal and abusive..

Clap. Clap. Clap.

BTW, I got personal? Gee...

You got more personal than I did against you. And you've actually used the mods. Making you (According to those who get very verbal towards modders and mod users) evil, a liar, and a cheat. Well done.

I apologize if you felt I was specifically targeting you, I'm just sick of seeing the arguments over these stupid bloody things.

Well, maby its hard to tell sometimes, but im as sick of it as u are.

Mostly im sick of the complete lack of balance...its all or nothing (the opinions) and thats why it allways gets uggly.



P.S. I never ever get personal/namecalling unless its handed out to me first. And having a post of mine completly turned around to call me a wannabe cheater (amongst other) gets a name and a permenant ignore.

I wont stand for infentile behaviour, espesially when its consistant to everybody and his granmother just because they dont agree with that perticular person.


As for the labeling by both modders and modhaters, i dont care for it and i dont give a rats a**, frankly ;) Just because they give something a name doesnt make it true.


BTW, when i used the "personal" remark it was bacause if lack of a better word. Still haven come up with a replacement.

So, anywho, no need to keep this going any longer.



P.S. I would be 100% mod friendly....if Oleg where running the store, or apointed a store manager, until then, thx but no thx.

Hilarious.
The mod users can leave the thread now and let the so called 'anti-hackers',some of whom turn out to use the mods themselves,just for 'testing' of course,tear themselves apart.
:)

pretty much ...

does anybody buys the "my friend told me" or "i've seen it on friend's computer " BS anymore ?

Z

You guys know what my stance was at first, all caused by my concerns for the game.

Now I can say I'm glad that I softened my position.

Is everything perfect in mod land? Hardly.

But by and large they have improved the experience of IL2, and helped fill the gap until SOW arrives. I also see the mods as a training ground for when 3rd. party/player contributions will officially part of the sim, as they will in SOW. Has it has been pointed out, and rightly so, it is easy to make something that is high poly and looks good, but it is much harder to make it look good, and be low enough in poly count to actually work in the engine. The modders are indeed finding this out now and honing their skills. When SOW is released I don't think we will have so long to wait for new aircraft, ships, etc... I just hope that the system for official testing and approval of 3rd. party additions is able to cope with the flood of new content.

Enough squabbling, I'm going to go fly.

Cheers.

Best comment in this whole forum for weeks + 1

+100

Asking nice here...

This is the Il2 forums. We're all aware of MODS.

Oleg hasn't made a fuss about the MODS, but this is not the place to discuss them.

I'm sure most of you agree.

Discuss the MODS (modifications to IL2) where they should be discussed.

Thank you