anybody know anything about this sim?
 

http://www.thunder-works.com/

looks fantastic. love to chuck a skyhawk around against a harrier over port stanley.

Well, well, well...good job indeed - these guys are serious, but Oleg is far beyond and ahead.
Waiting for "SoW" - "Storm of Waiting". Woops..."Storm of War" I meant...

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Well, maybe. I'm not that sure I want to "fly" jets any more.

If you have to take the side of the bad guys, I'm just plain not interested.

And who would "the bad guys" be in this case? :rolleyes:

In my opinion, the invaders.

They may well have been conned into a mistake by a politician desperate for votes, which plan succeeded all too well, but they wouldn't have fallen for the con if they hadn't been bad.

there's a bunch of nice vids on youtube too. looks quite slick.

I'm sure you will be able to fly as Argentine too - all the vids I've seen are from an A4. Half of the team is from Argentine/Brazil too...

As I said, one-sided, by the look of things.

I am sure there was an implied ;) in your post, it's just that it's not particularly funny if your country was involved, and the "sim" is mainly taking the view from the enemy propaganda.

I know you can fly for the axis in il2, but I've tried it, and I don't like it, this would be the same for me.

ROFLOL! :grin:

Lovely comment.

Welcome to the world of a Germans daily routine in modern media.

That sim has been in development for a very long time as well, and IMHO is even more limited in scope than SOW:BoB will be at first.

And jets are boring anyway.

I'm only getting it if I can blow up the stinking sheep that cover the freezing cold hell hole.

;)

Ohhh! Then you mean the British Empire and their greed for colonies which brought death and massacres during a couple of centurys. No worries mate, you wont have to fly the bad guys planes, only Skyhawks, Mirage and Etendarts from the "good ones" ;)

Alpha can i be your wingman on that one? "Baa Baa Bandits 4 oclock!"

No Country can look back at a guilt free history, just because the British Empire was large for a couple of hundred years does not make them any more evil than anyone else. This opinion of yours is insulting and misguided.

Meusli, i was only answering to a silly comment with a sarcastic reply... never intended to be insulting, and even if History shows a particular Empire doing what any Empire does, it doesn't mean that you can divide countries between Evil and Good as this user Igo Kyu (who im sure must be quite young) does in his comment with such a lack of knowledge IMO.

Sorry if it sounded insulting to you, it was not my intention...

Political issues should not be allowed on these forums, they bring nothing useful and often end with people trash talking to each other; as it will probably happen with this subject if we don't drop it here.

The simulator this group is making looks really nice.

;)

Did someone miss history class? South America was colonized by the lily white Spain and Portugal.

I'm a young 54. :)

I didn't say any country is evil, I said that (it is my opinion that...) the leaders of the invading country on this occasion were wrong to do that, and that therefore their servicemen were fighting on the side that was in the wrong. The servicemen were perhaps unaware of that, apparently some of the ground troups expected to be received as liberators, and were surprised to be greeted as oppressors. We, however, with the benefit of hindsight, can form opinions as to who was right and who was wrong. In my opinion that was the invaders. I wouldn't want to play a game fighting for the side that in my view was in the wrong. I know there are plenty of people who don't mind fighting on the wrong side of a conflict, I don't have a problem with them doing that if they want to, but I personally do not want to do that.

Exactly, so if it was colonized by Spain and Portugal; what is an English colony doing near the shores of Argentina? :rolleyes: Your comment, by the way, has nothing to do with what we were talking about.

With 54, true...your are young at heart :grin:

Well, its your opinion... i only have to check a world atlas and by a quick glance to Malvinas Islands geographical position its very easy to realize who are the invaders and who are not ;)

Near? 400 miles is a long way, especially across the Atlantic. Twice that range would make England part of Spain, they tried, they failed.

Geography is not that important or Japan (and thus Korea) would be owned by China, Cuba and thus all of the Caribbean by the USA, Madagascar by Mozambiqe, Greenland by Iceland (or vice versa?).

I had written a long reply; but then i found out that theres no sense to be dragged by a user who doesnt even know distances between Argentina territorial coasts and Islas Malvinas (at least check a map before posting if you want to be taken seriously)... not to mention childish comments as dividing goberments/countries between the bad ones and the good ones like you can see in any Hollywood class C movie.

This is a forum related to flight simulation, any political frustration or nationalism should be left aside.

I wish the developers of this SIM good luck and even though i don´t like Jets after Corea, i might give it a try sinking HMS's or shooting down MirageIII with a Sea Harrier.

Some governments are worse than others. Which good and is which bad is a particular person's opinion, and probably depends upon that person's political views. I personally would not say any country is bad. If that reference is to my list of island countries that would be owned by other countries if proximity meant ownership, I never made any judgemental remarks about whether the countries concerned were good or bad. I merely made the observation that the island nations would lose their independence. That would be a bad thing in my opinion, and predictably but not necessarily in the opinions of the citizens of those island nations.

My initial remark was intended to be a comment on the apparent non-inclusion of Harriers in the flyable aircraft. I understand that they are difficult to model due to the vectorable exhausts, but in my view any complete simulation of this particular conflict would need to attempt them.

I accept that my view of who was right and wrong in the conflict is an opinion, and that other opinions may differ, however my opinion is what I will act on so far as whether or not I will purchase this game is concerned, as I would expect others to act on their own opinions.

The harrier is flyable and you can play both sides.

http://www.thunder-works.com/features.htm

i seem to have sparked fierce political debate here. i really just meant to say it looks like a great sim. reckon it could easily be modded for a vietnam or middle east conflict senario.

Good, that does sound a lot better. :grin:

I for one can't wait for the game to come out, demo is promised soon. Now how cool is that, there are waaaay to little demos theese days...

I agree playing both sides sounds better, not for the previously said reasons, but simply for variety, I personally never could understand the one side only complex.I mean OK, so I understand Brits might have a problem on Flaklands due to recent nature of that conflict, but whenever somebody throws up sillyness like that in WW2 context, especially those born 20+ years after it I can only picture them as primitive and shortsighted hillbillies.


BTW: Strictly for geographical facts:
distance Arg-Malvinas=~320miles
distance GBr-Falklands=~7620miles!!!

Personally I don't see what was it worth in strategical and economical sense to mobilize nearly entire army for a few square miles of grass and a couple of sheeps 7600 miles away from your own border. Maybe it was "Hey we want to retain the image of powerfull country regardless the cost, either material or in human lives". The vanity strikes again...

But ofcourse when Russia cleans up mess on it's own border then they are called the bad guys - now that's really weak.

Well, the inhabitants of the Flaklands want to belong to Great Britain, it's completly irrelevant if the distance is 7 or 7000 miles. What else do we need to judge who was right or wrong in this conflict?

Your point has no point Antoninus; such a deep conflict can not be simplified as you do.
The inhabitants of Islas Malvinas are related to those who invaded it during the 1800's; be sure that if they were the grandsons of Agentinians, then they wouldn´t like to "belong" to England; dont you think?

Your comment, im sorry to say, its really naive.

Well, there was an implied wink in my post, but still - it's a long time ago, and the politicians that started the war are long gone. If we cannot forget the enemy soldiers that just did their job after 25 years (Falklands) or almost 70 years ago (WWII) - then I guess there will never be peace on earth? The pilots did not start the war, and I have no problem simulating the war from a german pilots perspective even though a strafing 109 killed a number of relatives and was inches from killing my mother. The 109 is still one of my favorite planes in IL2.

I really do respect that others feel a different way, but thats my take on it...

/Mazex

But there are no Argentinians living on the islands, nor any poor natives suppressed by "evil imperialists". There can't be lasting peace in the world if the opinion of the actual inhabitants of disputed territories does count less than who was right or wrong hundreds of years ago. Imagine how the world would like if all nations would start to reclaim territories that were once under their control. Especially since most have changed ownership countless times. Eternal war forever.

One of the things I will be looking forward to about JT is being motivated to read about the conflict. Pretty much all I know now is http://www.toonhound.com/briggstpig.htm

I just wish they'd hurry up, like everyone else. I really thought we'd see 4-5 sim releases in 2008, including this one.

PS, Jets are not boring.

They are just more/less interesting. But older is more interesting.

True; thats the way the Human History went, goes and will go on and on...

Thousands of years ago was like that; then technology gave the chance to kill in masses, and nowdays we are at the same stage than the cavern men, a bit more organized, thats all.

It only takes a crazy or greedy b***ard in power and there it goes, like not too long ago with a guy not even worth to mention that ruled your country during the 30's/40's; or as it happens now with USA and their greed for oil and natural resources (not the people, i mean the facist G. Bush goverment).

The same happened with English piracy during 1800's; so as I said...its a very complicated conflict and can not be solved just thinking about what the relatives of the people who took a land by force feel.

At the end, it seems we are still not far from animals...

Bottom line: regarding this subject there are no bad and good; there are just sad politicians old/dead by now; and a genuine territorial dispute that's still as "young" as it was two centurys ago.