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Zhuangzi 10-15-2008 11:47 AM

Post your high scores here!
 
*Mods, I'm not sure which folder this should go in.*

I've completed two games on Hard now, as a Paladin and as a Mage. Yes, that's well over 120 hours of playing in about three weeks. :o Anyway, I'm wondering whether my scores are good, and who can beat them. :-P

Game 1:

Paladin
Level 29
49 days
97 quests completed, 2 failed, 1 unfinished
23,000 leadership
20 Attack, 22 Defense, 16 intellect
Score 890

Game 2:

Mage
Level 29
33 days
101 quests completed, no failures
19,000 leadership
14 Attack, 21 Defense, 31 Intellect
Score 1083

Basically, the main difference between game 1 and game 2 was the time, 49 days compared to 33. I discovered that the time is used in calculating the score, and that most of the time is taken up with going from one continent to another. So I stopped going back to Freedom Islands etc once I had finished. I just used whatever troops were locally available.

So, what's your best score? I'm sure those Russian guys like Shd can do better than this. :cool:

reed 10-15-2008 12:35 PM

WTF, i'm at day 6* but still.... :( :(

vaultar 10-17-2008 06:24 AM

one thing i dont get...

i mean u have cheats and mods out there for the game, im just worried ppl will use them to their advantage to make a higher score... :S

Enarr 10-17-2008 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by vaultar (Post 55359)
one thing i dont get...

i mean u have cheats and mods out there for the game, im just worried ppl will use them to their advantage to make a higher score... :S

Is there a reward for the highest score? Is this a contest? No, this is merely for "epeen." If people are cheating just to get a high score so they can post it on some forum, then I feel sorry for them. So why would you be worried over something so ridiculous?

Back on topic :
Paladin, Diff: Hard, Score: 680
Days: 78. I traveled back and forth a lot to get my specific army, wasted a lot of days :( . Wished game ending money amount added to score because I had close to 3 million.
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herbalaire reviews

LiveInABox 10-18-2008 12:26 AM

just completed it for the first time on normal..

Warrior
Level 30
40 days
100 quests complete
24,758 leadership
23 Attack, 32 Defense, 13 intellect, Rage 129, Mana 93
Total damage by troops 75%, by rage 24%, magic 1%
Score 792

MajorS 11-01-2008 02:35 PM

Extra condition in both games: "Stick to one wife" ;)

My first try on Hard(724):

http://mysite.verizon.net/resw4bgk/s...din_hard_1.jpg

http://mysite.verizon.net/resw4bgk/s...din_hard_2.jpg

I wasted alot of time in the end (without noticing) by flying around and keeping my army restocked from the capitals.

My second try on Impossible(1454):

http://mysite.verizon.net/resw4bgk/s...possible_1.jpg

http://mysite.verizon.net/resw4bgk/s...possible_2.jpg

I didnt finish the demon world with closing the portal, since it would have taken another Game Day to fly over. And after 2 Play throughs after each other i got tired of the game so i just wanted to finish it :D

(No cheating involved, if anyone is interested in the savegames i can attach em here)

jake21 11-01-2008 06:28 PM

My high:
mage on hard 29 days 1126
warrior on hard 37 days 1034
mage on medium 53 days 690
playing my fourth (and last game) paladin on hard. All of the above were level 29 (not sure how you get to 30 - maybe paladin xp bonus).

Zhuangzi 11-01-2008 10:08 PM

MajorS, over 1400 is very impressive. My third game (Impossible Mage) was a score of 1274, and it took 36 days. How on earth can you finish the game in 24 days on Impossible? I got it down to 29 on Hard but I don't see how I could be any quicker than that.

Also, I see you used Sprites and Lake Fairies extensively in that second game. Presumably you would agree with me that Sprites/Lake Fairies/Dryads with Anga's Ring equipped is the strongest combo in the game?

EDIT: and I just noticed you used troops 91% for kills and only 3& spellbook. WTF? You obviously didn't use offensive spells at all throughout the game. You might have only used buffs/debuffs right? Can you explain how your strategy worked for this game, because it clearly worked extremely well. I thought I was doing well with 1274 score in 36 days on Impossible, but you've done even better. And the main difference appears to be that I used spellbook for 50% of kills (i.e. I pursued an offensive Chaos strategy) and you did something quite differently.

Someone pointed out recently that you could store the small number of Sprites/Lake Fairies you get at level 1 until you have Sacrifice, and then clone them indefinitely as soon as you have Anga's Ring. I have a feeling that this would be a devastating strategy. Is this what you did?

jake21 11-01-2008 10:38 PM

If I had to guess - he used a lot of phantom. I found it very effective with a stack of lake flies and similar.... Oddly neither of my mages found it until the very end while my warrior found it near the start...


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Originally Posted by Zhuangzi (Post 57382)
MajorS, over 1400 is very impressive. My third game (Impossible Mage) was a score of 1274, and it took 36 days. How on earth can you finish the game in 24 days on Impossible? I got it down to 29 on Hard but I don't see how I could be any quicker than that.

Also, I see you used Sprites and Lake Fairies extensively in that second game. Presumably you would agree with me that Sprites/Lake Fairies/Dryads with Anga's Ring equipped is the strongest combo in the game?

EDIT: and I just noticed you used troops 91% for kills and only 3& spellbook. WTF? You obviously didn't use offensive spells at all throughout the game. You might have only used buffs/debuffs right? Can you explain how your strategy worked for this game, because it clearly worked extremely well. I thought I was doing well with 1274 score in 36 days on Impossible, but you've done even better. And the main difference appears to be that I used spellbook for 50% of kills (i.e. I pursued an offensive Chaos strategy) and you did something quite differently.


Zhuangzi 11-01-2008 10:55 PM

Jake, I used Phantom a lot in my first (Paladin) game but less in my second and third games. But I will be interested to hear how he did it. 24 days - I didn't realise that was even possible. There is a certain amount of sea/air travel that is necessary, right? :confused:

blacklegionary 11-02-2008 02:01 AM

I guess MajorS mod his file.There is no way he can get that much rune,gold and crystal without modding plus his spirit Lina is too high lv(for a mage) while my mage nearly have no chance to use due to low rage increase rate of Impossible and Mage.

jake21 11-02-2008 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Zhuangzi (Post 57387)
Jake, I used Phantom a lot in my first (Paladin) game but less in my second and third games. But I will be interested to hear how he did it. 24 days - I didn't realise that was even possible. There is a certain amount of sea/air travel that is necessary, right? :confused:

Don't know how he did it - in my 29 day game I could have shrunk it to 27 - of course that was on hard and not impossible (like you). Then again I noted the person above me who thinks his game was modded to be extra easy :)

MajorS 11-02-2008 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by blacklegionary (Post 57398)
I guess MajorS mod his file.There is no way he can get that much rune,gold and crystal without modding plus his spirit Lina is too high lv(for a mage) while my mage nearly have no chance to use due to low rage increase rate of Impossible and Mage.

And why would i have cheated Gold, that i didnt use? Especially since you can see from the Screenshots, that my Losses where extremely low. Also if you are not using Lina enough that doesnt mean everyone is. And the Crystal and Rune values are normal, everyone can sum theirs up and the end and compare.

Here is my Strategy:

Very important: Do not travel and if you have to try to travel shortly before 7am to cut down on traveling times.

Also try to sneak and get all Runes, Banners, Chests and Gold without fighting. This helps you build up before you have to actually fight.

I kept my 15 start sprites hoping to get Sacrifice before i hit the Elven Lands, but that was only possibly through sneaking into the Demon world (passing a Hero and a stack right in front of the portal) In the end it wasnt worth it. Because unless you are lucky enough to get Sacrifice alot earlier you will be able to recruit Fairies from the Elven lands anyway.

For the start i used Fireball alot. This is where all my Magic damage comes from. Upgrading spell power whenever possible. But that started to not be enough and the last major Battle using alot of Destruction Magic was against the Kraken, to get my first and only Wife (I needed another weapon slot very early)

The most important switch of Strategy was to get Giants at all costs by sieging the Castle in the Mines. After this alot of fights became a breeze with "Target" and Shield from Archmages on my Giants most encounters where straight forward with minor losses. This used to be the Strategy until i hit the elven lands. Getting Lina soon and upgrading her Charges ability so i would get 5(3 Rage, 2 Mana) Charges with 8 each. This is another 16 Mana every 4 rounds. And the moment you get Gift and have enough Inquisitors its easy to resurrect fallen troops, even Giants. Some battles became very tedious. Leaving one stack and spamming Charges every 4 rounds to get enough Mana to keep that stack slowed and also Gift my Inquisitors when there was enough Mana.

When i felt ready i assaulted the Demon Castle to advance to the Elven Lands. At this time i also sneaked into Demon world and got Issharas Whip (extremely important), some runes, money and Banners. I also got Sacrifice there. In the Elven Lands i hired both Sprite types. If there is not enough of one type just fight an easy Upgrade Battle and use Sacrifice + Gift + Charges. I also replaced the Giants with Green Dragons here, which act as another Mana recharger. At this point i had the Archmages (for Shield and minor damage + crowd control), the Inquisitors for Initial Rage to Drain Rage and Resurrection, Green Dragons for Mana and as a Meat Shield with Target and both Fairy types as major damage dealers with the Ruby and the Whip.

At some point when stacks become to large to have the Dragons act as bait i replaced the Archmages with Dryads. Getting better crowd control and a good damage dealer (now having 3 units benefiting from Ruby&Whip). The damage these Sprites do dwarfes anything i could do with fire magic, besides i needed to use my spells as crowd control now (sleep, sheep, slow, target, Stoneskin) I did not cast a single Phantom Spell in the game.

This setup ended up being far superior than most stacks and i had basically no losses breezing trough the Elven and Dwarfen lands.

MajorS 11-02-2008 03:55 PM

Difficult battles:

Karador(?)

My Green dragons where not good enough of a tank for his troops. So i equipped the -30% leader for Griffons Regalia and stocked up on Griffons (54 leader for 90 health, flight and unlimited retaliation)

In the first round i sheeped his Necros(bad AoE) and let his troops destroy some of the Fortifications. Next round i cast Target and Stone Skin (had just gotten 2x cast) and Shield(Archmages) on my Griffons (Giving them like 70-80% resistance) and put them in the middle of the advancing army drawing attention from 6 directions. After that it became somewhat easy. The Necros will attack your Griffons damaging their own troops. The Griffons also hit everyone that hits them and the Fairies fly around and kill the troops without fear of being attacked (thanks to target). Just be carefull of Hypnosis (when your Griffons 'out') and Fear on your Fairies.

Troops with Black Dragons:

Those are a pain in the but, because my Fairies deal only minor damage to them. For those i got a stack of Paladins that stayed in reserve and would replace the Green Dragons. I also hired Undead Archers because the benefit from the Whip alot and are very dangerous with Dragon arrow. Just make sure they can actually shot and are not blocked.

Haas:

Almost completely swap of troops. Knights + Paladins (Good resistance) + Unicorns (Good damage against the demons and fair Hitpoints), Ancient Ents (very good tank for cheap and they start in the middle already so low speed is not an issue) and Lake Fairies (those that dont have Fire Weakness). I also was lucky to have 2x Dragon Slayer Sword (one from Arena one random). I start the battle with Black Hole, Mass Speed and Mass Dragon Slayer. The next two rounds i use one of my spells to further bless my troops and the other to counter Haas spells. This was a very brutal battle, but the dragons fell like flies thanks to the 2 swords and extra damage from slayer. The rest was just slaughtering (beware of Hypnotise, keep a Dispell ready)

Once again if anyone wants i have a bout 60 MB of savegames from all stages of the game.

MajorS 11-02-2008 07:11 PM

And never use transportation from the Dwarf Capital to Human Capital. Always run. Its boring and annoying but its alot faster game time wise.

Zhuangzi 11-02-2008 11:41 PM

Yep, I believe you. I wasn't saying you cheated, simply that I wasn't sure how to cut it down to 24 days. I would have thought it possible to complete the game this quickly on lower difficulties by avoiding several fights. My Impossible game took 36 days and it would have been even longer (maybe 40-42) if I had cleared out everything.

I haven't tried the Giant tactic you describe here, but it sounds good. And it looks liked I guessed correctly with the Sacrifice - initial Sprites/Lake Fairies tactic. I think we agree that these are best units for damage in the game. Criticals of up to 20,000 are quite possible with 20,000 leadership.

So well done! :grin:

Amamake 11-02-2008 11:58 PM

Well, the quickest way to get to King's Castle is to die. This could cut a day or two from the statistics.

MajorS 11-03-2008 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zhuangzi (Post 57463)
Yep, I believe you. I wasn't saying you cheated, simply that I wasn't sure how to cut it down to 24 days. I would have thought it possible to complete the game this quickly on lower difficulties by avoiding several fights. My Impossible game took 36 days and it would have been even longer (maybe 40-42) if I had cleared out everything.

I haven't tried the Giant tactic you describe here, but it sounds good. And it looks liked I guessed correctly with the Sacrifice - initial Sprites/Lake Fairies tactic. I think we agree that these are best units for damage in the game. Criticals of up to 20,000 are quite possible with 20,000 leadership.

So well done! :grin:

I must say, that my strategy would actually work with any class. The warrior would benefit from another 6000 Leadership. In a way its kinda sad tho how overpowered some combos are. Just equip another +1 damage item and the Fairies get another 30% damage increase. More different damage types would also help with Dragons. I guess next try is Warrior on Impossible :D. Makes picking a wife easier too, since the Warrior already comes with 2 weapon slots.

But probably not anytime soon. Maybe shortly before the expansion comes out to refresh my memory ;)

Zhuangzi 11-03-2008 04:49 AM

Yes, my next game will be Impossible Warrior too. That's as soon as I finish Vampire: Masquerade Bloodlines.

Oh and I've still got The Witcher: Enhanced Edition to play. I can't seem to get into this - presumably it gets better after the prologue. So far it seems like a fairly lame hack n slash game.

JudgeMan 11-03-2008 02:28 PM

OH it's definitly not a plain lame hack n' slash. The prologue and act1 sure are a bit less fun (act1 still has some very cool moments) but once you get into the city it's pure fun up until the credits.

Spiralkill 11-03-2008 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zhuangzi (Post 57463)
Yep, I believe you. I wasn't saying you cheated, simply that I wasn't sure how to cut it down to 24 days. I would have thought it possible to complete the game this quickly on lower difficulties by avoiding several fights. My Impossible game took 36 days and it would have been even longer (maybe 40-42) if I had cleared out everything.

I haven't tried the Giant tactic you describe here, but it sounds good. And it looks liked I guessed correctly with the Sacrifice - initial Sprites/Lake Fairies tactic. I think we agree that these are best units for damage in the game. Criticals of up to 20,000 are quite possible with 20,000 leadership.

So well done! :grin:

Hey Zhuangzi

Right now I am beginning of Day 19 and I am left with the labyrinth and Murock. the only reason i think it will take me more than 24 days (and that's a ? ) is because i left one obelisk unmarked in the undead lands (I was damn sure I marked it b4 i went back). the trick is to try and minimize traveling, If u go to a continent make sure u stay there until u finish everything and if u travel try to do it between 00:00 to 6:55 so u save a day (I would recommend between 03:00 and 6:55 is u have the night fighter skill).
I am sure that with a mage I will be able to cut that down even further.

BTW the witcher is a good game, the only thing annoying about it was the huge loading time but i heard the new ver got that fixed).

Zhuangzi 11-03-2008 09:41 PM

If you are up to day 19 now, then there's no reason you can't finish by day 24, even with going back to the Undead lands. So kudos to you. I knew about the time of day travelling thing, but I still seemed to have to go back and forth a bit in my Impossible game.

I will persevere with The Witcher (and they have fixed loading times) but right now I am enjoying Vampire: Bloodlines. Basically the beginning of that seemed better than the beginning of The Witcher. :)

jake21 11-04-2008 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Zhuangzi (Post 57537)
If you are up to day 19 now, then there's no reason you can't finish by day 24, even with going back to the Undead lands. So kudos to you. I knew about the time of day travelling thing, but I still seemed to have to go back and forth a bit in my Impossible game.

I will persevere with The Witcher (and they have fixed loading times) but right now I am enjoying Vampire: Bloodlines. Basically the beginning of that seemed better than the beginning of The Witcher. :)

I'm up to day 9 and currently clearing elven area. This includes an extra trip to pirate area. I'm undecided If I want to make a third trip to pirate area (only left is orc rebillion - seems like a waste of time to go there again but what the heck).

There has been a bit of bickering about classes being uneven but I'm finding my paladin (now level 20) so far to be much easier than warrior or mage. Not sure if it is because of items or natural nature of paladin. At level 20 I have soemthing like 15 15 17 for attack/defense/int and this does not include 15 bonus attack against undead/demons. Also - oddly my rage/mana and leadership are all very high (something like 80/100/13500). Of course I have not done the two 'hard' fights yet but I'm expecting them to not be too bad since they fall into the paladin strengths (undead and demon).

I think if I made a real effort (not my style) I could have kept the time (to this point to 7 days) and finish in the low/mid 20's (a couple of times I've gotten up and forgotten to hit pause - and I waste a lot of time regaining mana).

MajorS 11-04-2008 11:09 PM

In my opinion Boat and Air-traveling time should be reduced and set to a fixed time like 2h instead. The way it is right now its just annoying if you forgot something.

Smash 11-05-2008 02:10 PM

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Here are my scores after end my game on first approach as mage on normal.
My favorite strat was using only demons (lvl 4 unit not a race :) ) and Armageddon with this strat i won 95% fights without losses.
I tried many strats before that but as heavy intellect investment for spell damage i couldn't go other way and others damage spells are too weak in radius. Rain fire is pathetic it is just improve fireball.
I don't know what quest i missed.

jake21 11-08-2008 02:08 AM

Ok my paladin on hard took 22 days - and I wasted 2 full days doing absolutely crap (such as going back to pirate area just to kill orcs after embassy thingy) so I think doing it under 20 days AND killing everything (I reached level 30 for the first time) is quite possible. Stats/Score:
1215 (score)
35 20 20 84 91 (attack,defense,int,rage,mana)
23 21 24 26 (zerok,sleem,lina,reaper)
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Hum. And for the first time I completed 102 quests.
I had nice items at the end (best of my games including all three rune granting items). However, I found the eq. sword just before the last fight (in the final orc area) AND unlike my previous two games I found no fire resistant items (previous game I had over 40% fire resistant).


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Originally Posted by jake21 (Post 57584)
I'm up to day 9 and currently clearing elven area. This includes an extra trip to pirate area. I'm undecided If I want to make a third trip to pirate area (only left is orc rebillion - seems like a waste of time to go there again but what the heck).

There has been a bit of bickering about classes being uneven but I'm finding my paladin (now level 20) so far to be much easier than warrior or mage. Not sure if it is because of items or natural nature of paladin. At level 20 I have soemthing like 15 15 17 for attack/defense/int and this does not include 15 bonus attack against undead/demons. Also - oddly my rage/mana and leadership are all very high (something like 80/100/13500). Of course I have not done the two 'hard' fights yet but I'm expecting them to not be too bad since they fall into the paladin strengths (undead and demon).

I think if I made a real effort (not my style) I could have kept the time (to this point to 7 days) and finish in the low/mid 20's (a couple of times I've gotten up and forgotten to hit pause - and I waste a lot of time regaining mana).


Calinda 11-08-2008 05:23 PM

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My second game:

Difficulty - Impossible
Class - Warrior
Level 30
14 days
100 quests completed, 1 unfinished
28,868 leadership
37 Attack, 27 Defense, 15 intellect
Rats eaten: 0
Score: 1598

BTW I was only 1:17h into day 14 so I can try to reload from earlier save and make it for 13 ;)

Zhuangzi 11-08-2008 08:50 PM

14 days?

You are going to have to explain this to me. I thought you meant you rushed through the game avoiding normal stacks, just completing the main quests. I thought maybe that would be possible in 14 days. But I just can't comprehend how you could sweep everything so quickly. I know people are finishing in low 20s and it usually takes me around 30 days, but 14 is nuts. I mean, a certain amount of sea/air travel is necessary, right?

Clear Darion (4 days?)
Darion -> Freedom Isles (I guess less than one day if you time it right)
Clear Freedom Isles (2 days?)
Freedom Isles -> Darion (less than 1 day)
Clear Kordar (at least 3 days, surely)
Kordar -> Ellinia (less than 1 day)
Clear Ellinia + Land of the Dead (3 days?)
Ellina -> Darion (less than 1 day)
Walk through to Kordar/Demonis
Clear Demonis/Mehgard (2 days?)
Darion -> Ellinia (less than 1 day)
Haas' Labyrinth (1 day?)
Murock (1 day?)
End game

That's my guess of the minimum time it would take. 16 days plus travel. I'd say 18 would be the limit of how quickly you could do this, and it doesn't include things like completing the Holy Indulgence quest for Anga's Ruby. Did you complete that quest? It would mean travelling back to Freedom Isles and return (at least 1 extra day).

So you explain to me how you can finish the game in just over 13 days, Calinda. I truly can't see how it is possible.

Calinda 11-09-2008 06:57 AM

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So I did it in 13 as I promised; the new screenshot is attached:

Difficulty - Impossible
Class - Warrior
Level 30
13 days
100 quests completed, 1 unfinished
28,468 leadership
37 Attack, 30 Defense, 15 intellect
Rats eaten: 0
Score: 1612

And you properly guessed what the unfinished quest was ;) That's 2 days that one cannot afford when playing for high-score; And no, I didn't skip anything else. Just in the 13 days game skipped a few things in Murock so I could save those 1:17 that were pushing me in 14.

Lord_Loffen 11-09-2008 07:09 AM

13 days on impossible! With all quests done? Sure you haven't cheated? Or you could have made this high score. It's prety easy if you know how to...

Calinda 11-09-2008 07:10 AM

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Here are 2 more of the interesting screenshots:

Max stats of my hero when using only stats items; and the other is winning last battle without loses, so it proves that the no loses game is virtually possible .

Calinda 11-09-2008 07:16 AM

Yeah, no cheating there. It really is pretty easy if you know how to. Zhuangzi gave some good clues in his post. I'll give you one more - my game was not so pretty linear as he described. For example I left some things in Ellinia/Lands of the Dead for later when I returned with the key for Haas labyrinth. You tell me why.

Zhuangzi 11-09-2008 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Calinda (Post 57940)
Yeah, no cheating there. It really is pretty easy if you know how to. Zhuangzi gave some good clues in his post. I'll give you one more - my game was not so pretty linear as he described. For example I left some things in Ellinia/Lands of the Dead for later when I returned with the key for Haas labyrinth. You tell me why.

If I gave you clues, why am I stuck in Kordar in my Impossible Warrior game on day 16? :confused:

I'm not saying you cheated, but I still don't understand how you can do it so quickly. I find that even when I go through the game in a linear fashion it takes me around 30 days. I suppose I didn't pay attention to the time of day when I travelled between continents, but that's about all I can think of. Also, I am finding it much harder as a Warrior than as a Mage. I think partly this is due to the items found in particular games, but still...

And I thought that Sprites/Lake Fairies would be the best combo to use (as sector24 found with his 40,000+ critical), but you don't seemed to have used them at all, especially not if you didn't have Anga's Ruby until the end of the game.

I guess I need to re-read YOUR posts. :-P

Calinda 11-09-2008 09:47 AM

Mhm, minimize your time loss when you travel, also minimize time between battles (i.e. try to finish them with as much mana/rage as possible, so you are virtually ready for the next one), and do not wander around aimlessly ...
Dunno if I had luck with items, but telescopic sight at Kordar, and two dragon slayer swords before clearing Demonis, were the key items for me. Also I got that ring that increases intellect permanently after 20 or so battles from the zombie at the cemetery.
Tactics Treatise (can't remember where I got it exactly, but it was somewhere in the marsh), helped for XP from early on, but went to terrible morale at the end of starting continent. I managed to suppress it after I collected the leadership flags from the isles of freedom. I also tried to pick the XP talents as earlier as possible.
Another thing that I did, was playing with items that lose morale (king's hammer for example with no dwarves in the army, and note that reserves do count in this; jackboots, tactics treatise, steam armor, dragon slayer swords), so I got some extra XP from several suppressions.

sector24 11-09-2008 03:24 PM

I think the elven and undead lands are very doable without Anga's Ruby, it just makes a moderately difficult area very easy.

MajorS 11-10-2008 01:23 AM

I think 13 is very possible, for an example i already got most of the treasure in Demonis on Day 6. I dont think i will make it in 13 tho, too much wandering around aimlessly ;). And i have Freedom Isles still to go, but with 8k Leadership and 5 Giants that shouldnt be a problem to breethe through.

Zhuangzi 11-16-2008 12:37 AM

I've just finished my Impossible Warrior game, which was my fourth overall. :o

Game 1:

Hard Paladin
Level 29
49 days
97 quests completed, 2 failed, 1 unfinished
23,000 leadership
20 Attack, 22 Defense, 16 intellect
Score 890

Game 2:

Hard Mage
Level 29
33 days
101 quests completed, no failures
19,000 leadership
14 Attack, 21 Defense, 31 Intellect
Score 1083

Game 3:

Impossible Mage
Level 28
36 days
101 quests completed, 1 failed, 1 unfinished
21,000 leadership
12 Attack, 18 Defense, 33 Intellect
Score 1274

Game 4:

Impossible Warrior
Level 29
30 days
102 quests completed, 1 failed
25,000 leadership
30 Attack, 12 Defense, 31 Intellect
Score 1375

Somebody convince me that I don't need to start on Impossible Paladin now. :o

MajorS 11-16-2008 02:35 AM

Trust me i am already thinking about that too. And im not even through with my Warrior on Impossible (doing Maze right now) But honestly if i play it another time i should seriously consider addiction counseling ;)

MajorS 11-16-2008 06:36 PM

Finished my Warrior on Day 11 at 11:00pm :D

I think i could have done all quests, not sure which ones i missed. I also believe i 'wasted' atleast one day in the beginning. Not sure if 9 Days is possible tho.

http://mysite.verizon.net/resw4bgk/s...possible_1.jpg

http://mysite.verizon.net/resw4bgk/s...possible_2.jpg

P.S.: Now im really putting KB away for some time ;)

1nikita1 11-20-2008 06:36 PM

time taken to travel
 
MajorS said
Here is my Strategy:

Very important: Do not travel and if you have to try to travel shortly before 7am to cut down on traveling times.


What I have found, however, is this adds an entire day to travel. Leave at 6:00 AM on day 3 for instance and arrive at 7:03 on day 4.
If you travel at "night" leaving at 2:00 AM of day 3 (Night ends at 2:30AM, wierd, huh?) you will arrive, again, at 7:03, but still on day three, losing only five hours. My version is 1.65 if it makes a difference.

Kings Bounty Hunter 11-20-2008 06:39 PM

Huzzah praise the gods i've done it :-) And possibly with the worst score, I can't see this one being beaten haha

Score = 414 at 95 days!!! eeeekkk on hard with Paladin

MajorS 11-20-2008 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 1nikita1 (Post 59205)
MajorS said
Here is my Strategy:

Very important: Do not travel and if you have to try to travel shortly before 7am to cut down on traveling times.


What I have found, however, is this adds an entire day to travel. Leave at 6:00 AM on day 3 for instance and arrive at 7:03 on day 4.
If you travel at "night" leaving at 2:00 AM of day 3 (Night ends at 2:30AM, wierd, huh?) you will arrive, again, at 7:03, but still on day three, losing only five hours. My version is 1.65 if it makes a difference.

Even if i left at 6:59 i would arrive 7:00am the same day. Got the patch and no mods ...

1nikita1 11-20-2008 11:40 PM

I tried that, leaving at 6:30, and the day thing definitely showed it had gone from day three to day four.

1nikita1 11-21-2008 06:02 PM

OK I tried leaving at 6:30 with the boat and it did stay the same day! Previous time was with air balloon going to Lyaro. :confused:

laffwis 11-29-2008 01:28 AM

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wanted to post my highscore, but didnt find that thread.
so finally found it again and here's my highscore.

i started 3 times, but finished only 2 times.
1st time with mage on normal with about 138 days, so super-low score
2nd time with mage on impossible but didnt knew about the "cheat" that it will instantly jump to 7 a.m. when you travel shortly before.

i'm in my fourth game as warrior on impossible. will post highscore for that when i'm done :)

btw where do you see what hour it is? i see only the day, but not the hours???

MajorS 11-30-2008 01:40 AM

Do you have the patch installed? I remember it not showing on my first playthrough.

laffwis 11-30-2008 06:40 AM

oh yeah, thanks. patched it now.

but it still jumps to the next day when i travel shortly before 2 a.m.

i have a savegame when i was on the isles of freedom. there i can travel at 2 a.m. and then the time jumps back to the same day. but that's the only case so far i've seen it worked.

laffwis 12-10-2008 05:44 AM

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ok, finally finished my warrior-game on impossible.

what i noticed. the time stopped 2x when i was traveling.

one time even at about 9 pm, the other time i dont remember.
im still wondering about the mechanism.

Gatts 12-10-2008 08:57 AM

Very interesting army combination...
Demon wife
Orc tanks
Elven backup...
and seventeen drun/ill [look quite green] dragons

:)

What is the Xeonas first weapon? I do not recognize it...

I could be wrong, but I do not remember seing higher score ->
that would you make the victor in max critical and max score competition...

Congratulations!

In you mage screenshots - I see you haven't upgraded the batons to full strenght... I wonder why.

lauvhk 12-10-2008 12:41 PM

That weapon is the one +20% Critical attack.

laffwis 12-10-2008 01:59 PM

@gatts

my army lineup was actually

lake fairies, spriteds, dryads, elves and hunters,
but for the last fight i had to modify and threw out dryads, elves and hunters. though i think elves and hunters could have been useful.

to max critical: someone posted a screenshot with over 70 k damage in this thread
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...t=5242&page=10

to highscore: someone posted his highscore with the same amount once

the baton: i had only one regalia-slot. didnt want to use elven wife because needed the whip and the venom dagger to max. out the damage for lake fairies and sprites.

with the weapon +20 % to critical attack and full rage
my lake fairies and sprites had about 75 % on critical attacks. quite useful, but would have maybe been better to use 2 dragon slayer's swords for the last fight.

Calinda 12-11-2008 03:32 PM

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Score 1718, 7 days, 102 quests completed. Class Warrior :)

All saved games may be provided on request, there is just too many of them.

Kings Bounty Hunter 12-11-2008 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Calinda (Post 61594)
Score 1718, 7 days, 102 quests completed. Class Warrior :)

All saved games may be provided on request, there is just too many of them.

Holy shit...that's amazing.

laffwis 12-11-2008 09:31 PM

very, very impressive!

could you please post the second page, too? thanks :)

Calinda 12-12-2008 07:14 AM

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I replayed last battle once more, but here you go (I'll add it in the first post too):

Gatts 12-12-2008 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Calinda (Post 61666)
I replayed last battle once more, but here you go (I'll add it in the first post too):

apart of huge score, I never seen so leveled up spirits before... 30,27,30,30... impressive! (where 511 is quite average number of fights)... at least we may see that is is much more effective to beat overhelming/impossible enemies instead match and weaker

Calinda 12-12-2008 10:36 AM

Yup, you have to do everything in one go, time won't be enough if you plan to walk around the areas twice. This means that you have to strike most of the impossible enemies where you meet them first. Beating such enemy gives more satisfaction too :) I had 2 enemy heroes in the land of the dead, one with 60+ giants, and one with 600-700 necromancers, both of them impossible, and quite hard to beat. Another hard thing that I did was upgrading marshal's baton at lvl 16 iirc.
For spirits, to level them that much, you need several things - first, the corresponding skills, and being warrior helps too; second - you should use each of them every battle; Lina is quite hard to level - so most of the battles you have to open either with chargers or ice thorns.

skysinger 12-13-2008 08:05 AM

Did you finish the quest about Angi ring?sorry,I can't remember the quest's name,I guess you haven't,cause it cost another day to freedom island.

Calinda 12-13-2008 10:25 AM

Nope, that quest (Holy Indulgence) would require at least 1 more day to complete. I never went to the Islands of Freedom second time. And that's the only quest which I had unfinished. I put a few saved games in the Impossible Warrior Challenge thread in the Tips and Hints forum. You may check there if you wish.

tjoepee 12-18-2008 10:41 AM

impressive, i was trying the same with mage and at day 5 I am in elven land, but I am quite busy with other stuffs nows so won' t be finishing it soonbut there is something I noticed about ur stats.

Ur rage is really low, consider warrior sometimes gets rage upgrade or leadership I don' t expect u choose the leadership upgrade at low level right?

Also only 18 casualties is really impressive consider u don' t use unit like bone dragon to damage ur thorns to get unlimited mana to resurrect/sacrifice back. Maybe u can enlighten us with the exploit u found out?

btw my style with mage to finish in 7 days is entirely different i mainly use 4 ranged and peasants to beat impossible fight by using pain mirror.

Calinda 12-18-2008 06:34 PM

I did get all leadership upgrades even at low levels; this is important for fast game with warrior.
I used inquisitors for resurrection, but most of the time I didn't need a lot of it. Magic spring early in the game and rage skills later gave me enough mana. Also don't underestimate the rage that inquisitors generate themselves.

Ryder 12-20-2008 10:35 PM

Well now I feel inadequate posting my scores....

Warrior - Normal - 749
Wizard - Hard - 746
Paladin - Impossible 1131

Gatts 12-22-2008 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryder (Post 62644)
Well now I feel inadequate posting my scores....

Warrior - Normal - 749
Wizard - Hard - 746
Paladin - Impossible 1131

I guess your list is sorted also chronologically correct (my assume is based on the fact that it is usual to play last the higher difficulty )

If so - I need to say that the choice of main hero is quite interesting... (basically the part with Paladin on Impossible)

If my guess is right - then I would ask:
For which character did you like the gameplay most? (Did it make a difference in first place?)

(As I believe you could compare it very objectively, as each time your experience/knowledge about the game risen, you also increased the difficulty - so the balance should remain)

(My experience was best with paladin, but it was my first time...so I would love to hear the opinion of someone who did not play him as first)

tjoepee 12-22-2008 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Calinda (Post 62442)
I did get all leadership upgrades even at low levels; this is important for fast game with warrior.
I used inquisitors for resurrection, but most of the time I didn't need a lot of it. Magic spring early in the game and rage skills later gave me enough mana. Also don't underestimate the rage that inquisitors generate themselves.

ah u used the inquisitors to get enough rage to do unlimited mana, what if u can' t find them very fast lol, sometimes there is no inquisitors, :D
Anyway do u know if there is a relationship between the army u fight and ur level? I couldn' t do the cursed treasure quest because it was simply really impossible. I first tried it to do as one of the first quest when I arrive at freedom islands then I reloaded it and try it as last at it seems to be he got stronger when I was up 2 levels, odd.

Calinda 12-23-2008 01:17 PM

Normally, fights/enemies should have constant strength. Some things though, for sure are scripted - for example Double and Future fights. This may be the case with the cursed treasure, but I won't bet on this :) And in my game I did manage to do it as a first quest on the Freedom islands. I had pretty strong children from the Zombie wife tho. (+5 def, +3 att, +20% def, +20% att) and was like lvl 11 at that time ...

Ish 01-08-2009 05:05 AM

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Ok here's my score from my first (and i dare say only - given how long this game is) play through.

As I heard it was a pretty long game I skipped the easier difficulties.

Paladin
Impossible
1520

Took 20 days, although I probably could of done it in 18 but went back to darion to get some more knights before the battle with hass which took up 2 days.

Hardest parts in the game were probably: first time in the freedom isles, as I was a bit under leveled (didn't realize the marshan swamp existed)

Demonis: cleared half of it incl Xeona when I stumbled on it first time in the dwarven tunnels, although it was pretty easy when i came back later

I completed 101 quests although apparently failed 2.. I think one was that blood diamond.. which I still had at the end and not sure of the other.

Things I would do differently if i played again:
not kill everything off as soon as I reached it,
the pain skull which i got from karador would of been much easier to level with weak enemies.
save some rage potions for tough fights.
I would keep Xeona instead of the frog wife which I ended up with, I just wanted to try them all, and the frog one was the last I tried.

I dont think I had the phantom spell in my game, and had no inquisitors except those I upgraded.

Gatts 01-08-2009 07:20 AM

50K casualties looks quite normal using units like fearies (many low HP units), it may be above average even on impossible, but well, 20 days, 101 quests done, nearly 500 battles fought... I can imagine you have fought not few tough battles, right?

Renic 01-08-2009 02:47 PM

My Score
 
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Here is my high score for 1st time play of a mage on impossible.
Finished on 29 days with all quest done.
I think this "completed days" should affect high score lesser :)

Gatts 01-08-2009 03:01 PM

WOW! I never seen Ice Ball on third place of most effective troops, with outstanding 12% ... even if your overall damage by troops was only 13% it is quite surprising :)

You used Armageddon a lot or wha?

you killed 630K units, that means your Ice ball killed 9828 enemy units... if we take in consideration average HP / Leadership per unit - 350, your Ice Ball delivered cca 3439800 DMG (if you hold your mouse over the enemy causalities, it should show the HP/Leadership of your dead enemies... what would give us more precise calculations)

lauvhk 01-09-2009 01:16 AM

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What about Ice Orb on the 2nd of the list? :lol:

The hero screen is taken after the final battle and I definitely have more than 220 sprites.

Shield 01-22-2009 07:00 PM

Well, I just finished the game!
 
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This was a heck of a lot of fun. My first game like this was HOMM1 back in 1995. Played the heck out of Homm2, but Homm3 was the one I played the most (plus the WOG expansion).

Of course spending over a decade on the HOMM series I was skeptical at first, but now after finishing the game I like it just as well if not more than HOMM. I know, sacrilege, right?
I didn't miss the micromanagement of the resources, and certainly didn't miss the "end turn" every day from Heroes.

This game was like a breath of fresh air to me; as addictive as any game I've ever played.

I slowly went through just about every nook and cranny on the map, so my final score isn't that great, but I never "restarted"; just poking around.

So I know of one quest I failed because I didn't stop the guy from turning into a werewolf in time, but otherwise it shows I completed 95 quests. Are there 100 total? I wonder which ones I missed.

Fabulous game, worth every penny - you developers did an outstanding job, and my credit card is ready for the expansion!

Shawn

Gatts 01-23-2009 03:26 PM

Your Score is pretty good for first play... mine was surely lower.
Mine was 560 or so...
there are 102 quests in total

foolstone 01-24-2009 06:21 AM

mage's score
 
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I missed 2 quests
one is that I haven't reported to that girl after I kill that big fish. But I don't know which is the another.

Ryder 02-07-2009 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Gatts (Post 62737)
I guess your list is sorted also chronologically correct (my assume is based on the fact that it is usual to play last the higher difficulty )

If so - I need to say that the choice of main hero is quite interesting... (basically the part with Paladin on Impossible)

If my guess is right - then I would ask:
For which character did you like the gameplay most? (Did it make a difference in first place?)

(As I believe you could compare it very objectively, as each time your experience/knowledge about the game risen, you also increased the difficulty - so the balance should remain)

(My experience was best with paladin, but it was my first time...so I would love to hear the opinion of someone who did not play him as first)

Sorry Gatts, only just seen this.

My plan was to play Warrior, Paladin then Wizard but my wife started playing a Paladin game before I finished my Warrior one so I wanted to play something different so went Wizard second.

No real favorite but if I had to choose I'd probably go Warrior. I defintely found the impossible Warrior easier than the impossible Paladin as the score will show. The first 2 1/2 games I played I never used Time Back thinking it was pointless so that made things a little tougher.

Anyway, all I have to do is win an impossible Wizard and I've got the set.

My score on the impossible Warrior game was 1483.

Amix 02-15-2009 01:07 PM

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Just finnished Warrior on impossible: 18 days, score:1498.
I should say, that I havn't had such interesting and "uneasy game for a long time. Right now I thing,that this game can be finnished in ~ 15 days, but I will not try to prove it. :)
Tnx to developers of this game ;).
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Regards, Amix.

dukenukem 02-17-2009 03:25 AM

hey amix how did you pass necro castle!!! what was your tactic please ...

Amix 02-17-2009 09:55 PM

Just
 
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hey amix how did you pass necro castle!!! what was your tactic please ...

Nothing extraordinary:
First is knight (horseman) with circle attack and timeback later.
Green dragons for Mana (Just wait first time and you can get mana and fly on next turn without losses, Phantom for Knights and Hoursemans (Some special artifact good for Knigts and hourseman assures, that they have pretty good defense). Knights circle attack with teleport is fun. Send phantom to die, and when everbody is gathering arround it, just teleport Knights in place of phantom (who just died..). Circle attac and teleport back on next move. Not very efficcient, but feels cool to do 10K~20K of 'noble' damage. Also, I start to believe, that this game realy could be finnished under 11 days, by carefully choosing travel times.
regards,
Amix

Crepuscule 03-18-2009 04:45 PM

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My first time completed game, but I have many restart game.

Zhuangzi 03-18-2009 09:28 PM

7 days and 1700+ points must be close to the theoretical maximum score. So congrats. I wonder what the highest score recorded in this thread is? Did anyone score higher than Crepuscule?

lauvhk 03-19-2009 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Zhuangzi (Post 70232)
7 days and 1700+ points must be close to the theoretical maximum score. So congrats. I wonder what the highest score recorded in this thread is? Did anyone score higher than Crepuscule?

Calinda's score is 1718, the current highest visible score.

Elwin 03-28-2009 10:20 AM

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My first completed game :) I went on easy with Haas with clicking "I win" button ( armageddon) tough :P
I was cursing on getting mind runes all the time :P

Elwin 04-03-2009 09:19 PM

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I had much free time lol, not even week passed and second game completed ( geez I need stop that :D )

Zhuangzi 04-03-2009 10:56 PM

Yes, that was a better score. :) But you beat the game in less than a week? It's like 50-60 hours of gameplay...

I played it through 4 times over the course of about 2 months. 2 weeks per game, maybe 3 hours per day. I don't think I'd played a game that intensely for that long since Master of Orion 1, which I played in 1995 or '96.

Elwin 04-03-2009 11:02 PM

Yes, started at sunday afternoon and finished today on friday, 37 hours total ^^ Its about 7 hours per day, i had much free time


EDIT: now finished the quest with Haas reincarnations and got score of 1165 :p 1 quest but 6 points more xD

Elwin 04-12-2009 08:20 PM

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My try on impossible warrior ( probably) the last one.Far away from the best ones but i am satisfied.

DGDobrev 05-18-2009 01:44 PM

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Well, I beat the game today. The score isn't bad for a paladin on impossible I guess. I also saw that I've missed a few quests. I will try to analyze which they were and I'll try to do it in the next run through impossible, provided I get the time for one :)

I really enjoyed the game with a paladin. He's very challenging for several reasons:
1. Lower leadership than the warrior.
2. Doesn't get (or I was unlucky) the all-powerful dragon slayer, big attack, big defense or big intellect artifacts that generally spawn in a warrior or mage game.
3. Meager spellcasting skills.
4. Bad rage generation and quick rage depletion out of combat.
5. You can make your own inquisitors, but as the game progresses and you're doing the main quests, the buildings in darion will offer you more. Besides, you can always sacrifice for them.

In a way, Rina is a wonderful choice for a wife. I kept her up until lvl 27, when I gave up on Karador and went to get xeona. The first child that rina gave birth to was Dmitry - and I stated off with +10% XP per combat right away. The other were +20% attack, +20% defense and +5 defense. Hope this info helps, although the children you will get in the game are random. But still, Rina can give birth to some rather cool kids that you can... ummm... use for quite a while :)

Making my way to dragon haas was fun indeed. Since I was aware what kind of party I want to tackle him with, I just made it and went for it:
Inquisitors (for rage and ressing the party mainly)
Demons (always retaliates)
Knights (circle attack, physical and fire resistance)
Red dragons (80% fire resistance, the ancient ents are very vulnerable to fire)
Horsemen (20% physical, 20% fire resistance)
Dryads (reserve, useful against various haas incarnations and against Begum, because he has 4-5 lvl 3 units)
Archdemons (reserve, I found like 60 archdemons when I killed Baal, so I stacked up on them and used them as expendable units in the battles with target)

For the various labyrinth battles I used many units from ellinia. Lake fairies, Sprites, Cannoneers, etc. They were expendable anyway, and they critted like crazy. 20% dagger and 10% belt with chance to crit... It hurts :)

The battle vs. haas went as smoothly as I had planned. Red dragons vs. ents, demons and knights vs. red/black/green dragons, archdemons vs. cyclops or dragons, horsemen vs. whatever there was left. Actually it was the ents that were the biggest pain, but in the end, I won easily, regardless of the losses.

BTW, Even though I found out about the suppression of the treatise thingy... I didn't use it... not a lot that is :P Or so it would appear from the total number of battles. Since it's evening I can do a bit of suppressing before it's 12 and the next day rolls... But I doubt that would impact the score by a great deal - or at all for that matter, since battles count isn't a factor the in the score formula.

Elwin 05-18-2009 02:15 PM

Items are spawned randomly class has nothing to do with it. And about dragon slayer - it is always reward for lvl 30 tournament battle ...
Inquisitors are also random you can get plenty but u can have none ...

DGDobrev 05-18-2009 02:26 PM

Oh, I didn't know that about the dragon slayer. And now you remind me of one thing I missed. I didn't do the last tournament battle!

EDIT: Well... in any case, that doesn't impact the score. I did the battle, got the sword, but it's all the same :)

EDIT 2: As for the inquisitors, there are 5 places in darion where they can spawn - the mage tower in greenwort, the mage tower in velarion's forest, furious paladin house, temple of deceased souls and enemen's castle in the marshan swamp (after you beat up the boy). If there are no inquisiotrs there, I guess one consider himself very unlucky with the game setup :)

Elwin 05-18-2009 03:20 PM

But it happens, had it lik that on my first game ... and same is with cyclops there are plenty spots in kordar they can spawn but sometimes you will not find any ..

DGDobrev 05-19-2009 01:03 AM

Well... you can always replay the test and see what kind of initial setup you will get :) The better the start, the easier the going :)

Elwin 05-19-2009 12:32 PM

When you start playing game first time u mostly dont know about that ~~

boty 07-19-2009 09:25 AM

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Finally I did it. I got a decent score. The last battles tired me. I think I’ll take a break.

Vilk 07-20-2009 02:09 PM

Nice, you seem like dragons a lot! Myself I enjoy red dragons, their special attack is a good tactical plus and is quite interesting to apply tactically.

I notice you made it level 29 and not 30 I wonder if this influence the final score.

EDIT: Why the 3rd snapshot? Can you explain?

EDIT2: For Hero level that was right under my nose in score panel... Each level count in high score like each quest does.

DGDobrev 07-20-2009 03:39 PM

Great work Boty. It is always nice to see a fellow Paladin rough it out on impossible :)

As for the third snapshot, I guess it shows how the enemy army could have been beaten with only 12 green dragons and 1 knight :)

boty 07-21-2009 08:41 AM

As it concerns the last screenshot it was one of the hardest battles I've had. I lost one green dragon and I played over 170 rounds. That guy knows book of the evil spell. If the book attacks and the dragons reply the invisibility is lost.

Say10 07-24-2009 01:43 AM

Lord Revenat
 
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Class: Mage
Level: 30
Quests: 103
Days: 16
Difficulty: Impossible

Score: 1595

Vilk 08-02-2009 11:19 AM

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Score: 1727. He he new top score posted here. :grin:

Class: Mage
7 days and 103 quests.

Next best score will have to be on a 6 days base, probably possible but quite difficult.

McSwan 08-07-2009 05:17 AM

Grats vilk!

Vilk 08-07-2009 10:44 AM

Thanks, that's been a lot of sweet! I'm thrilled you'll soon destroy this record with a new one in 6 or even 5 game days. ;)

Ha well good luck anyway in your attempts. :)

DGDobrev 08-07-2009 08:36 PM

grats on the score! A question though - how did you manage to get the Anga's ruby quest which requires a full day of traveling and still do it on day 7? This means that without that quest, you should be done in day 6 and get an even better score, because a day less is roughly equal to 2 quests if I recall correctly :)


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