korean war sim?
 

who do i have to beg around here to get the F9F panther included in project galba? i'm hanging out to recreate some of those scenes from the bridges of toko-ri!

I feel for ya
 

Info on new sims around here on is as rare as hens' teeth. I don't think begging will have the desired effect. I doubt such famous magic acts as sword-swallowing or hiding a salami would impress these guys either. Oh, you could always perform those tricks in the hope...but I doubt favorable results! ;)
Flyby out

Modding an Oleg based Korea based sim may be the most interesting potential ever in combat flight The Sims, extending the game far beyond Korea to other 1950s scenarios, and maybe into the 1960s.


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Don't stop with the 60s. Imagine the Viet Nam air war from both sides, including sam defences, Iron Hand missions, Yankee Station, MiG intercetion, et al. Interesting technology for both sides.

Yep, would love to see carrier ops in.

Would also like to see Vietnam done in SoW quality.

I don't know why so many are so hot to trot on a Nam sim. The Israeli-Arab conflict (imho) is much more interesting.

I don't see them very interesting at all.
My passion stays with ww2, looking forward to SoW above anything.

If anything i'd also love a serious new modern combat flight sim, there is lockon but it's a mediocre half finished product in my eyes done on a small budget.

Need something with as much dedication & quality as the Maddox Games have.

Mine also.

Hear Hear :)

Although I agree with virre89 as well, WW2 prop fighters being my main interest in flightsims.
But I wouldn't say No to Mirages & Su-7 or MiG's :cool:

personally, I can't wait to get a mig in the gunsights of my f-86.

Possibly, but which one?

Speaking for myself, I prefer to fly in periods (and theatres, for that matter), more immersive. So Pacific '41, or Korea '88 (Falcon), or late Vietnam War, for example.

Plus, the Israeli-Arab air battles tend to be a bit one-sided.

Take your pick: 1967 War (The Six-Day War) or the 1973–74 War (The Yom Kippur War)

The battles in the game Il-2 are not true to history.

Umm, not a big scholar of Middle East, but there's 1948 and 1980s conflicts as well. Kind of a continuum ;)

Suez is something else it would be fun to fly.

Yes but the '48 would be WW2 style. (would be interesting with both sides flying the same a/c). The 80's would have too many a2a rockets (prefer guns:))

1947-48 Arab Israeli - Spits against Spits against Mosquitos against P51s against Avia S199s against Tempests...

A real dog's breakfast :)

IAF vs RAF is another good one.

the 1967 War would be like WW2 airbattle with jets..........

very few Air-to-Air rockets were used , and then they mostly failed.


another interesting thing would be perhaps the 1965 India-Pakistan conflict:
India:
MiG-21F-13
MiG-21PF
Gnat
Hunter F.56
Mystere IVA
Vampire FB.52
Ouragon/Toofani
Canberra B.(I) 58
SeaHawk

Hunter T.66
Vampire T.55
Canberra T.4


Pakistan
F-104A
F-104B
F-86F-40
B-57

T-33


also, an airwar mostly fought with guns and dumb bombs :) and no high capable air radars ;)

but well, let us actually first have the SoW:BoB thing in our hands and the, on the former based, Korean game :D

I wonder what versions of the MiG and Sabre will be represented in the Korean air war sim?
Flyby out

MiG-15bis and F-86A. ;)

thanks Al,
ahh, the 86a, no flying tail, but with leading edge movable slats. Think the moving slats will be modelled?

No doubt.

The 1958 War would be like Desert Storm "superHUDjet" airbattle with old Korean jets..........

Lots of Air-to-Air rockets were used, reliable dependable AIM-9B Sidewinder, and then they almost never failed.

For me a Middle East map add on would be the logical next step after Korea. It can be used for Independence War/1948 and Suez Crisis/1956 scenarios with mostly already modeled WWII/Korea era planes or their derivates and later to realize the Six Day war as soon as RRG moves forward to Vietman. I guess their next full release.

Id like a Vietnam add on and of course a Falklands add on, following the release of the Korean War. I wonder if Im asking too much.

S!

actually i doubt scenarios of Vietnam and later............ the avionics of these times would need to much time to be programmed in this gameseries.
as long the "weapon and avionic technic" is based on WW2 (loe standard ;) ) it will be possible for the development teams

But we will see.

According to Oleg they will move forward to the jet era after Korea. I don't think they will limit themselves to some backwater conflicts with outdated planes. This will be some very interesting years for combat flight sim fans after BOB is finally released.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=121

Hey guys did I miss it?! Any word about the online component? Actually I'm just kidding. I feel confident the online component in the Korean War sim will be adequate. Then it's just up to the servers for how many planes can be hosted. Hmmm 64 per side would be nice for starters, don't 'cha think? ;)
Flyby out

and the Falklands War??? 1982
British: Hawker Siddeley Harrier , BAE Sea Harrier & Vulcano
Argentina: Mirage 3, Mirage 5, Mirage mara", A-4BSkyhawk, A-4CSkyhawk, A-4QSkyhawk, camberra, Super Etendard whit exocet, A-58 Pucará (jeje)

and Ecuador - Peru War??

You people are aware of Jet Thunder?

http://www.thunder-works.com/features.htm

Slowly, slowly, but I believe it's still coming.

okey, yes exist, buth i dont like very mach the graphiccs, & i like very much modern air combat simulator, i want somthing like that:-)

a India-Pakistan 1971 simulator will be very okey

STORM OF WAR: Bangladesh War

india : MiG-21FL ; MiG-19s ; Sukhoi Su-7BMK ; HF-24 Marut ; Hunter F.Mk.56 ; Canberra B.Mk.58 ; Mystére IVAs ; Gnat F.Mk.1 ;


pakistan : F-104A/B Starfighters; Mirage IIIEP/RP/DP ; F-86f SABRE; F-6A Skyray ; B-57s ; T-33A; T-37As

:cool:;)

WHo is whit my idea??? buth a Motor of 1/2 LOMAC and 1/2 Storm Of War

:arrow::D

Creators of Lockon have already started a new series called DCS with first installment already released. It's the most authentic and realistic simulator to date, yes it even beats il2 and it's focused on mc.

Reason why it beats any other sim is that they focus only on one aircraft at the time, so if you want a brilliant MC simulator checkout DCS and future modules will include fighter jets, apaches with more.

There's no need for oleg and the boys to go MC, Eagle Dynamics is taking well care of that ERA, oleg and the guys should stay with ww2 were they are dominating everyone.

What is MC?

There's a gap bigger than the Cold War between WW2 and the copy-pasted superHUDjetsims where all the copy pasted superMFDjets look the same.
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What dev will be the first to offer Su-7 cockpit out of box? http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...y-ylflower.gif

Oh man, I can't even describe how much I'm looking forward to Galba project, after that I would really like to see Vietnam, probably the last conflict without super-fancy electronics, still with lot's of gunfighting and with BVR being just a baby.
I can tell you one thing, ever since I tried to down a MiG-17 with F-4B armed only with missiles in Thirdwire's Wings Over Vietnam I was thinking how great would it be for someone to make a true HD Vietnam sim.

MiG trains anyone?
 

I most look forward to a classic Korean air war sim where at least the MiG and the Sabre are modeled to a high fidelity FM. After all, they are the stars of the "show". But I wouldn't mind if the developers took a page from DCS; model only a few a/c to a high degree at a time. I'd like to see the Naval jets come along eventually, plus the piston engined combat a/c of both sides of the conflict. Perhaps with such an implementation the FMs would suit the vast majority of simmers who are interested in realisticly modeled a/c (as close to real as can be had on a pc in a combat simulation with a lot of other stuff asking for cpu and gpu resources). The drawback might be having to live with only a few planes available to breathers at a time until more can be added. That's the DCS dilema, imho. It released Black Shark, and that's the only breather machine in the sim at the moment. I think the A10C is next. Anyone with a preference for flying online against other breathers will much prefer to fly against E/A, imho.
As for the other conflicts mentioned here I have the same view for releasing a/c.
Now, go forth and OBEY ME!!!! :D
Flyby out

I wouldn't mind some loss in fidelity if it means a few more types. Variety is very good to have I think. But definitely the F-86 and MiG-15 are what immediately comes to mind with Korea. After that the Mustang and Corsair are there as well.

I'm going to be completely selfish and hope for a Sea Fury as that'd be great.

I believe the rumors suggest a strong chance of some sort of Gloster Meteor variant which will be interesting. Apparently the Meteor in Korea was not competitive in any great amount with the MiG-15 but I'd be flying it nonetheless.

hey ice,
I was only thinking along the lines of how people still complain about the Uber aircraft of IL2, whether the plane is actually uber or not. Get two planes pretty much correct before adding other flyables. But I see merit in your point too, thought it might put us back on the road to complaints about uber-craft in the sim. I suppose I mostly agree with you, though, based on my day-dreams of online flying escort in either the MiG or the Sabre, or maybe even flying CAP for ground troops, or flying strike aircraft off of carriers. I just want the sim sooner rather than later! :D
Flyby out

I know what you mean but I think its a futile endeavor. Getting two planes "correct" will never happen because as far as people in general are concerned its not right according to what they read/heard/saw a chart for. And then we'll argue over which chart is more valid and the testing conditions and then we'll have the nationalistic bias comments and...it'll go on forever.

Oleg isn't an idiot...I trust him to get the data mostly right. I trust the community to call out the major inaccuracies (which is why I believe those discussions aren't totally without merit) and provide additional information to fine tune issues. But ultimately if we have the scenario where two planes are released and we "work on getting those just right"...it'll never be done.

So I'm in favour of spending similar time on the flight modeling as IL-2...BUT...with a hopefully more accurate/"easier to work with for Oleg's team" flight modeling system in the new engine and if tweaks are needed...they are. Give me more planes :)

I'd also like to add that NK Yak-9Ps and Po-2s would also be fantastic additions to the stable of Korea aircraft. I think it'd be great to be flying along at 170kph while a F-86 tries to down you flying at 700 kph :D

you're a wise one, Ice. in Oleg we trust. I just hope that he can offer some balance in the selection of aircraft. You mention the NK Yak9P so I'd like to see the UN counter (Seafire?) and so forth. Oh, and expect that Sabre to B&Z that slow-flying NK plane, of course. ;)
Flyby out

this is great news about the meteor. just got done reading doug hurst's history of RAAF 77 squadron in korea. heaps of stories about their fight using mustangs and meteors. sounds like the meteor wasn't a complete dog at low altitude against migs, but it wasn't great either (if the creators are reading this - i'm more than willing to send yoyu my dog-eared copy. heaps of pics and ideas for missions).

also, i hope we get some ground crew simulated for korean carrier ops. rent the movie bridges at toko ri and get inspired guys.

cheers and keep up the good work.

I too would like a good Viet Nam sim, but there are many stumbling blocks that really put it out of the question. The biggest being the absolute necessity for a "GiB" (Guy in Back). The aircraft of the era (especially the US ones) were trying for technological levels that we have today, but with 1960's computing power on board. No single seater would be effective simply because of task saturation of the pilot, hence the proliferation of 2 seat fighters of the period. (The F4, and, F-105 in particular come to mind).

For these types to work for our purposes we would have to have a very sophisticated AI "GiB". I can't see that happening anytime soon. And even though we could still have plenty of cool single seaters, (Mig 17, Crusader, Skyraider, etc...), not having an F-105 for Wild Weasel missions would take a very important element out of the sim.

Well, in single player you could pause and switch cockpits if you want to do everything manually. However, since SoW will feature multiple players in a single aircraft for multiplayer, why not extend this to a possible Vietnam add-on?

Ok, you could still fly online with a AI weapons officer in your plane and switch cockpits as necessary, but imagine the thrill of going SAM hunting with another human in the second cockpit. SA-2s flying around your F-105, the backseater trying his best to help with SA and call out incoming missiles, flak and maybe even hostile jets while searching for those radar emissions, while the pilot focuses on flying the aircraft according to his feedback/instructions and bring weapons on the target. If the sim has a built in intercomm feature to avoid cluttering up Teamspeak that would be pretty sweet.

And then let's not forget the variety of aircraft and missions either. There were prop planes in Vietnam too. Imagine flying a Skyraider on a CAS mission or even a rescue scenario, crawling along at 100mph marking targets with that bullet magnet, the O-1 Bird Dog, so that the F-4s can swoop in at 500 knots and drop napalm without having to go around and visually ID targets, or even flying AC-47 gunships and A-26s at night, armed with flares and searchlights over the Ho Chi Minh trail.

The possible scenarios are endless. I am getting impatient because my PC is getting too old to run today's software adequately and i'd like to have some specs to upgrade to, but in the end i think it's good they are taking their time with SoW. If they make a robust software base with a secure (anti-cheat) mod foundation, there's no limit to what we might see. They did some of that with IL-2 as well, coding stuff that couldn't run on PCs of that time and they enabled it gradually along the way, so i guess they will do it again. The biggest challenge is to make the design modular so that you can add things in the future without too much hassle.

i have some information for us
 

STORM OF WAR: BATTLE OF BRITAIN
STORM OF WAR: THE EAST FRONT (leningrado to stalingrado?)
STORM OF WAR: THE WEST FRONT (?)
STORM OF WAR: THE MIDDLE (mediterraneo?, italy?) (& Afrika?)
STORM OF WAR: THE WEST BOMBER CAMPAING (London-berlin?)
STORM OF WAR: SEA AND AIR OPERATIONS (?)
STORM OF WAR: THE FLYING TIGERS (China?)
STORM OF WAR: KOREA
STORM OF WAR: PACIFIC THEATRE (o somthing like that)
:rolleyes:


uummmmmmmm, and Battle of France 1940:confused:
and Findanly-russia 1940:confused: