1C games's own BOM ?
 

Is it possible that 1c games make it's own sequel BOM game with business model like 777.

They could make small release first like 4 flyable plane with Clod engine.

bf109
ju87

il2
yak or mig

I'm not saying BoS would be worse but I want to fly over Moscow :-x:):rolleyes:

Considering 1C teamed up wtih 777 to produce BOS, I would doubt it. Would be nice though...

I think we should give the combined team a chance to see what they can produce, C.o.D. isn't as bad as a lot of us think. Most of us who have tried to tune our pc's and sim to get the best we can are satisfied with the results.

The C.o.D. team were possibly told get it right or goodbye. Lack of communication from the team resulted in a lot of flack, that could have been avoided.
When the original Il2 came out in about 2001 most of the pc's of the time couldn't get the best out of it and it wasn't until we all started to upgrade and the sequels started to be released that things really came right, then the producers (Maddox Games) could then improve graphics and performance. What a great series it turned out to be and still is.

The improvements that are still happening with that series are still bringing in sales and supporters of the series. If only the team had been given the time and finance to get the sequel finish with the new engine they were working on we may have seen a great series again.
Maybe 1C should have as suggested, tried 777s business model from the start, but with the initial release based on the Battle of Britain it would be difficult to add more planes and keep it historically within the time frame.

I can't help but wonder if all the free stuff we got for Oleg and took for granted to the point where so many of us act like spoiled children demanding this and that from developers was a part of why thinsg went south for them. Don't forget.. IL2 was 1C & MaddoxGames..

I think there is a lot of truth in what you say there BC. There were whole years in a row where I'd be waiting with money at the ready thinking, for gods sake - just sell me something! Instead there were all those sporadic free patches that kept people quiet for a tiny while, but did nothing for the future growth of the company.

bollox, tripe, and poppycock

the final patch in September 2012 produced a good and pretty well rounded game

but with forums filled with low attention span teens and impatient self contrite fools, none of those had the brain power or EQ to see CoD's good qualities in context of other problematic flightsim releases in previous years (like RoF for ex, something many of those same morons seem to glorify without knowing or understanding its good and bad points), and give it the further time it needed (even if that meant they personally wouldnt play it right now for whatever reason)

so you personally got what you deserved for all your whining and bitching, eg now you got NOTHING !

enjoy what you helped to create :)

or you gonna whine now that there is nothing ?

CoD is pretty good now, and it could have been, should have been, was going to be GREAT ! with years of addons and further evolution to even greater things to look forward to, but instead right now YOU got nada, zip, zero, nothing !

A bit rough said, but not really wrong.
I'll drink to that.

Some valid points, but also a lot of rose-tinted glasses look over here. "Good and pretty well rounded"? Now, that's a bollox and poppycock indeed.

It is a pretty good sim now for low-to-mid altitude online dogfighting. However, as far as other online modes and whole off-line features are concerned, it cannot hold candle to '46. Was there a need and potential for further development of the engine and the series? Sure it was. You gotta remember though, that somebody has to pay programmers for this development, and whining or nonwhining forum members have nothing to do with publisher's financial decisions. It's not about our patience, but patience of the investors.

and investors will lose that patience when subjected to such bad publicity and whingeing.

Investors will loose patience when it takes too many years and too many millions to realize a return of their investment, which I'm pretty sure that CLoD never returned, even if it did turn out to be a decent product in the end.

One could argue they should have seen it earlier then, do you really believe it's coincidence that CoD got binned after getting completely raped by the community?

I don't think it's a coincidence at all, since I don't think that 1C's decision to axe CLoD had anything to do with the vileness of this community. In the end, I think it was still a "money talks, bullshit walks" type of thing.

Well it was our money that should have been doing the talking instead of bitching, but now we have people queing up to pay for BoS despite their dev updates reading like....

can we have...

NO

will it do....

NO

True enough, Bongo. Then again, BoS will only share the name of IL2, but seemingly not it's depth. Of course, that might change down the road, but I'm treating it as something completely different than IL2, even if it shares the name. Whether I buy it or not will remain to be seen, and it depends a LOT on the info they give out in the coming months.

Same here, given what ROF is I am hopeful but I need to see what the cockpits look and there interaction is like before I preorder.

What Krupi? You Don't belive that BoS will be the best thing ever ever ever in the world......

Burn the Heretic i say....

Oh wait....

Even when I see it, I will have my skeptical-pants on, and those are damn hard to remove!

I can't believe I said that...

LOL compared to what some have posted over the last few years its really not that bad :P

Good point, but still :P

WRT your above thoughts, here were mine in a similar vein which I had posted on our ATAG forum -- with the emphasis on "20/20 hindsight", of course:


With 20/20 hindsight (of course) I wish MG could've started off a LOT simpler with CoD following a similar release model to their successful IL2 Sturmovik release. Instead of immediately branching off in all directions, they could've focussed on fewer planes and ground objects, a smaller map -- but getting it all RIGHT the first time. Example:

1) Battle of France: Hurricane MK1 (2-speed), 109E1, Blenheims, Ju87's, 110's. MAP: NW France, Low Countries. Sunny weather only. Cost: $50

2) Dunkirk Evacuation: add: Spitfire MK1 (2-speed), Beaufighters, 109E3, 110's, Ju88's. MAP: East Coast airfields. No added weather Cost: $50

3) Channel War: add: Spitfire 1a, Hurricane MK 1 Rotol, 109E4, He111. MAP: no addition. Weather: Heavy cumulous, overcast. Cost: $50

4) RAF airfields: add: flyable Wellingtons, Dornier17's MAP: add Sector 11 SE England less London. Weather: rain, thunder, lightning. Cost: $50

5) London Blitz: add: Spitfire 2a's, Me262's (anyone reading this far?) Map: London, Sector 12, Weather: fog_peasoup_version. Cost: $50

Of course, above is an oversimplification and we can certainly argue plane types, ground object inclusion, radar, FMB, etc etc. But you get the gist. MG/1C could've milked us by five times over AND WE WOULD HAVE PAID -- IF -- they focussed on the important stuff and got it right the first time.

This is a genre that sells thousands, not 100K's, of copies. They needed a steady inflow of cash to keep CoD on course. They failed on that IMHO.

Yes, but...Oleg might have said "yes" , but with a reminder that a " yes" was bond to a "WIP" that would eventually mean "no"....
And after 8 years of development, many " yes" turned out to be a "never"...

I f you are right about the fact that a part of CLOD's failure is due to the constant whining, and investors were influenced by the moaning on the forum, it shows how Jason has acquired some whisdom from that venture...
So he says "no" to everything that is not essential in the first built of BOS....

Salute !

I was totally hyped right before the launch of CloD with expectations and optimism flying waaay too high. Let's just say I'm realistically optimistic this time around, as in getting a working WWII combat flight game out of the box with working basic features. Yes, CloD raised the bar in some ways but it also lowered it in others. Here's to the future!:grin:

Investors are much more pragmatic than that.

A more likely scenario is the whining directly effected ongoing sales and the lack of any revenue stream (no new users due to internet whining and no money from existing users as there are no paid addons), when combined with escalating dev costs, put the balance sheet increasingly in the red.

Interesting. I wouldn't call it "good" or "well rounded". I'd call it "adequate" but "limited".

It has good points (how it looks in-cockpit plus player models) but there is a lot that is still poor.

LOD (disappearing/invisible aircraft wind me up)
Weather systems missing or unuseable online
No co-op mode
Poor campaign
Trees flickering and insubstantial
Poor engine optimisation
etc

That they released it in such a poor state, and couldn't fix it in time, is what killed it. If it had been good on release, or massively improved in a short time, it would have lived. You cannot whine about people expressing their dissatisfaction when that dissatsisfaction was right.

They had my money, and lot of others' money besides. I don't like buying something only to get it 18 months later - not really good business sense.

You don't have to buy BoS if you don't want to. It'll be the only game in town but you don't have to play or even be negative about it. Wow, I'm starting to sound like the fanboys who said I should have checked the forums before buying CLOD (depsite showing my support by a pre-order).

Hood

I really think that Clod is going to become really big and popular, both on and off line...it will just take some time.

fyp

Congratulations! Because of you optimisim and positive attitude you win free membership in CODFA and get to place "CODFA Membership #0004" in your signature!

Welcome to the Association!

0004 wow!...I am so very honored . .NURSE! NURSE!..come quickly to see this

nurse tells me that it would conflict with my secret encrypted question in my sig

Hmm! Come to think of it the other two people that have been confered with this honour seem reluctant to advertise the fact as well???????

Problem is when (or if) you get accepted into BoSFA your membership number will probably be around #999993 or something like that!

Hood! Whats it up to now??? ;)

I was replying to BC's post in relation to the original Il-2 series. Not Cliffs of Dover...

It's a secret society so true numbers are not divulged. That you advertise your number may be grounds for removal from the roll!

I'll have to refer you to the Bongomeister.

Hood

Eh?.....ummm.....twelvety....

Well I think that it was the secret greeting, that I found a bit troubling...weirdos

Which bit? The nakedness, paddle or the pork fillet?

Hood

Well yea that stuff too...helps explain Skoshi Tiger's unsolicited aggressive recruitment style.

Ah, not Gangnam Style - more Gangbang Style!

I would much rather do North Africa and the Mediterranean. Is there any future for mods with COD?

I was thinking more in the line of developing the tool set that the devs wanted to give too us, but ran out of time.

Now, now guys! We'll have none of that kinky stuff! It lowers the tone of the establishment!

A very passive and non-aggressive Merry Christmas to you all!