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MOH_Hirth 07-30-2008 04:01 PM

Paied adon FM revision 2.0
 
A important, relative easy and fast to, can include 4.09m, i pay US$100,00.

nearmiss 07-30-2008 04:38 PM

:rolleyes:

Chivas 07-30-2008 04:58 PM

They are working on the new FM as we speak. As an added bonus the DM, etc will also be vastly improved. All for less than $100 dollars. Unfortunately only a few aircraft will have the new FM's etc in the first addition, but you will be able to pay more for further aircraft with the new FM's in future updates.

ElAurens 07-30-2008 04:58 PM

Let me guess, Luftwaffe planes get ubered, and the Spitfire gets porked, is that about what you want?

:rolleyes: indeed.

nearmiss 07-30-2008 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElAurens (Post 46561)
Let me guess, Luftwaffe planes get ubered, and the Spitfire gets porked, is that about what you want?

:rolleyes: indeed.

The Luftwaffe will be uber anyway. The Spits and Hurricanes were armed with .303's. The Brits were setting gun convergence at 150 Yards and shooting inside 50 yards. They were so close on the enemy, that avoiding collisions was a big issue.

The Luftwaffe was shooting cannons in the 109's. That is a heck of a lot of firepower compared to .303's.

So.. no doubt the Uber arguments will start in some of the first postings after the SOW release.

If anyone wants to get a little taste of what the BOB SOW will be like I suggest getting the BOB II WOV 2.08 version. You will really get a feel for what it will take to be combat effective in the BOB SOW, especially flying The Spits and Hurricanes.

Thunderbolt56 07-30-2008 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nearmiss (Post 46562)
The Luftwaffe will be uber anyway. The Spits and Hurricanes were armed with .303's.


Ah, and the 110 was actually relevant...I can't wait. ;)

crazyivan1970 07-30-2008 06:44 PM

Oh boy...

Golden_Eagle_FM 07-30-2008 06:57 PM

I pay 150 US$

Gold

nearmiss 07-30-2008 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golden_Eagle_FM (Post 46567)
I pay 150 US$

Gold


Huh? :confused:

US$ <> Gold

ElAurens 07-30-2008 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nearmiss (Post 46562)
The Luftwaffe will be uber anyway. The Spits and Hurricanes were armed with .303's. The Brits were setting gun convergence at 150 Yards and shooting inside 50 yards. They were so close on the enemy, that avoiding collisions was a big issue.

The Luftwaffe was shooting cannons in the 109's. That is a heck of a lot of firepower compared to .303's.

So.. no doubt the Uber arguments will start in some of the first postings after the SOW release.

If anyone wants to get a little taste of what the BOB SOW will be like I suggest getting the BOB II WOV 2.08 version. You will really get a feel for what it will take to be combat effective in the BOB SOW, especially flying The Spits and Hurricanes.

:confused:

The original post is about FM changes for 4.09, not SOW.


As to RAF combat effectiveness in SOW:BoB, much will depend on a more detailed DM then we currently have in '46. One that will allow a more accurate portrayal of machine gun damage.

nearmiss 07-30-2008 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElAurens (Post 46573)
:confused:

The original post is about FM changes for 4.09, not SOW.


As to RAF combat effectiveness in SOW:BoB, much will depend on a more detailed DM then we currently have in '46. One that will allow a more accurate portrayal of machine gun damage.

It's gonna take something, that is sure. I do the BOB II WOV and it's not a walk in the park with the .303's.

Also, the original posting was rather ???

So, we've diverted abit. This is a forums, where "loose lips sink ships".

ElAurens 07-30-2008 10:29 PM

:cool:

MOH_Hirth 07-31-2008 03:52 PM

The letality guns need revision too, we can help with $ and searh about letality shells HE.


http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm

http://members.tele2.nl/harmstolk/gunpower.htm

*Buzzsaw* 08-01-2008 06:37 AM

Salute

Let's not forget accuracy.

The MG/FF 20mm that the 109E3's were equipped with was a low velocity weapon, very inaccurate, far less easy to hit with than a .303. This is not the same weapon that equipped the later model F,G and K, the MG 151/20, which had a much higher muzzle velocity. The MG/FF also had 60 rounds per gun, only about 7 seconds of fire

The MG/FF was a good weapon for taking down a non maneuvering bomber, but a hard maneuvering fighter? No.

A number of German pilots who flew in the BoB said they thought the RAF aircraft were equipped with better guns against fighters.

So we have the curious situation of a British Fighter force, equipped with weapons better suited to take down fighters, primarily tasked to attack bombers, while on the German side, we have aircraft with weapons which are better to take down bombers, primarily tasked to attack fighters...


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