can we raise the $$$ to get 1c to release a CoD SDK or other tools ?
 

it has been done for other projects, and might work here to get some further tools released by 1C so we as a community can keep expanding and improving CoD

as a ballpark, if 100 people would contribute 500$ each (50.000 $ total), thats a decent chunk of money that might fund 2 programmers for a year or so (em based on russian salaries being much lower then in the west). or it could fund 4 programers for 6 months

if 1C provides them with the office area to work in, and the basic pc's they were using before, we might be able to raise enough money for their salaries for 6 months and get a couple of near finished elements to be completed (SDK, maybe control of vehicles, improved "visibility bubble" to reduce popup, etc)

it wouldnt be focused on "finishing the sim" (unless one of us wins the lotto :) ), but we might get a couple of elements finished that luthiers team already were very close to completing.

just a thought :)

Can't be done. The code is locked, sealed and hid away thanks to Jason/Loft. It was contingent on them accepting the deal. Obviously if the code was available, they wouldn't have the entire share of the market. Contractually it can't go anywhere or be used. Make sure to thank them for it ;)

No

It's understandable. In any other case they would have not a chance.

tree,

this is not a conversation that involves you, or ever has

you'r irrelevant

so my previous statement a few days ago that they were directly involved in killing off CoD was pretty much right

it smelled like it, bad news its actually true

Bliss do you know if Loft is a yankee as Jason is?

And the answer again....... is NO

fro where do you know this? I mean, it's a pure speculation, or it's just something you're assuming (as could we all, and rightfully so, btw)..

i think it is worth seeing what we could hypothetically raise to try and have the CoD project shut down in a more professional way.

the recent official patch was a massive leap forward, but there are some managerial and commercial obligation issues regarding the incomplete state CoD was abandoned in at such short notice, and the obligation 1C has to only cease work on it when it is provided to its customers in a reasonably finished state (or has made all reasonable efforts to do so). right now they sold one thing unfinished (forced decision), fixed 1/2 of it (great !), and then for commercial reasons chose to proceed to a next project (which on the surface looks very same, but under informed scrutiny is in fact a much inferior product), and they are now going to try and sell us gain the same product with different makeup (eg a ww2 aircraft sim under the name sturmovik). all this under the stated reason they abandoning the old CoD project under the excuse of "financial reasons".

if we can provide 1C with something like 50.000$ to pay a couple of programers 20.000$ each for 6 months dedicated work on further bug fixing of the new gfx engine just recently completed (and pay luthier 10.000$ to coordinate it for ex, which he could do part time), this could be done in order to "cease development of the CoD product when all reasonable efforts were made to complete it". if we offer to pay for that, and 1C only provides the office space and 2 or 3 pc's in equipment, one could argue they have an obligation to us the old customers that is greater then their obligation to the new recent agreement with the teflon dressed RoF crowd

but my post was not intended to go in that direction, it was more to raise the issue that with 100 people willing to put 500$ into this each, we could raise 50.000$ pretty quickly to try and get a few crucial elements of CoD finished. i suspect from the hard core dedicated members here we have probably 25 already. get a few gamers websites to do some new post post patch reviews which will be largely positive, and we could well find another 50 or 75 other people willing to commit the same. if we can raise that from individuals, maybe some other organization or sponsor could appear that matches the funds we raise. i dont see why 1C, who has to be concerned about its reputation, would refuse such a donation of money to then be able to wind down CoD in a more organized and responsible way

I'm not surprised they don't want CLOD engine out. If somebody bought the rights for this game and fixed it, it would be the end of the 1C/777 new project.

They don't want that. I also understand why Jasson and Loft didn't want to do the next project on the CLOD engine. It would mean abandoning the ROF community and frankly, why would they do that?

They may go back to something evolved out of CLOD engine at some point, when people don't want to pay for the old ROF engine. We'll see.

This are just games anyway. I won't loose any sleep over this. Based on how world's economies are going, if two three years from now I can still afford a computer and internet connection, I'll be happy.

You are pretty desperate for a silly game. Go buy some emergency supplies for that money. It could save your life down the road.

Why do you try to raise money to buy something of which you don't even know if this good is available at all?

thats the old chicken and the egg scenario

we need both at least 50.000 to pay a few programers for 6 monts, AND have 1C willing to allow a few more months work on it to try and shut the project down in an orderly fashion, instead of the dumping the whole crap overboard they are doing now

gotta start somewhere :)

showing them they dont need to spend the money for that last few months work on the orderly shutdown would be a good first step imho

But I read recently they are now charging by per key stroke entry...not sure were they learned that :confused:

If that's your thought, you should stop thinking, I'd say.

I severely doubt you'd be able to find more than a small handful of people from this community willing to put $500 into a hare-brained scheme that is pretty much doomed straight from the get-go.

Why should 1C sell the code for 50 000 when they stand to make far more than that co-devving/releasing BoS with 777?

and you should try and read and then understand what other people have posted before you "contribute"

this thread isnt about "selling code"

read it again, take 2

Buying the code or hiring 2 devs for 6 months to work on code that you don't own the rights to is on the same level of stupidity.

And even IF you found two devs willing to do contract-work on code you don't own the rights to, putting the new code into distribution would be akin to presenting yourself and anyone involved with the project for a nice, fat lawsuit for copyright-infringement. I severely doubt that the EULA that you accepted when you bought the game gives you access to that, but hey, please go ahead and prove me wrong with your community-made miracle-patch for CLoD.

The title of the post is [/b]can we raise the $$$ to get 1c to release a CoD SDK or other tools ?[/b] Why should 1C even bother to take the money, especially in light of BlackSix' post about how there ISN'T any SDK or tools for the game?

i keep forgetting that all it takes for people to post here is a keyboard and a net connection, somehow i keep expecting to have a civilized discussion with informed individuals who also have an interest in creating the best possible ww2 aviation sim. and each time i am surprised :) you either have a major language problem or a total failure to understand what this thread is aiming to discuss

there is no "new dev's" involved, and no "community-made miracle-patch" , neither do you seem to know the degree to which the sdk was already completed before they stopped work on it some months ago, and you are completely misquoting B6's comment on the SDK

no prize for you today !

i'll give you a hint and some key words, see if you can work it out: "CoD SDK and other tools", "community raising money for short term funding of 2 programmers", "1c only providing small office space and pc's (eg code is still secure with them)", "1c making an effort to discontinue the sim in reasonable working order before abandoning it (ex read goods advertised versus goods received by customers)", you know, that kinda thing :)

now before you start typing next, try and actually understand what is being discussed

btw, what have YOU recently done to try and reduce the disastrous outcome of 1C closing down CoD, thought of anything ? do share your deep and profound thoughts with us on how we can improve the situation, and if you havnt, just say thank you to those that do, and quietly be on your way....

From your original post, Zappydearest:

as a ballpark, if 100 people would contribute 500$ each (50.000 $ total), thats a decent chunk of money that might fund 2 programmers for a year or so (em based on russian salaries being much lower then in the west). or it could fund 4 programers for 6 months

Please tell me where this doesn't mention hiring programmers, also known as devs (short for developers).

What have I done to try to reduce a disastrous outcome? Nothing. It's not up to me what 1C does with a product they have developed and put on the market. I have accepted the EULA that the product was sold with, and I accepted the conditions and terms of the purchase when I hit the buy-button in Steam. I accepted that the product was sold as-is, that 1C could do whatever they wanted with it whenever they wanted to without telling/asking me about it. Which, incidentally is the EXACT same thing that all of those who bought it did.

My deep and profound thoughts on how to improve the situation is to quit expecting 1C to giving out the sourcecode, and quit thinking that the community can fix it without unrestricted access to the sourcecode.

And again, why in heavens name should 1C provide a small office and computers plus access to any tools and/or SDK's that might or might not exist, especially now that they're in partnership with 777 to create BoS? Without being privy to the contract between the two companies, I'm fairly sure that 1C isn't really interested in releasing a competing product, or helping what would be a competing product undercut profits. Just in case you've missed the point, 1C is a business-company first and foremost, and in such things there's one golden rule: Money talks, bullshit walks. You, my friend, are out walking.

So no, I will not say thanks and leave. But please continue to try to make me.

My opinion is that there are agreements between 1c and 777 that forbid commercial use of COD engine.
If COD engine can still be used for wwII (or even WWI) simulations, 777 have to face an hard (and IMHO stronger..) opponent on the market.
If this is not true, an idea can be to buy the code with funds from community.
I'd sure make a donation if this would be possible.
Anyway I doubt there's a mass of people large enough to collect enough funds.

welcome fenice, you'r a breath of fresh air, somebody who actually discusses the issues raised :)

and then there were 2

and now we only need 98 more

lets just see how many people potentially are interested in doing something positive like this, and then worry about the next step later, instead of being defeatist from the start and never doing anything.

anybody for nr 3 ?

First the question has to be answered by 1C if they would allow such a possibility. On the money end of things I would naturally kick in what I could.

+1

Zappy baby, you didn't buy the game when it was released, you waited over a year before getting it out the 'crap rack' at a bargain price, you put your $500 in first and I will follow.

Jesus some people need to stop living in a fantasy. CloD is dead. Deal with it.

Just for giggles write a letter to 1C corporate: http://www.1cpublishing.eu/corporate/contact

Ask them how much they sell the rights to the CloD engine for.

Once you've got your answer then start a thread.

wouldnt have been more appropiate having made the announcement on the 21st ;)

First thing to do, I think, would be for those that would be interested to make a list of items that definitely still need sorting out, and agree on that. This list would have to be final i.e. no further adding stuff later on. This list would rule out adding stuff such as a flyable Defiant and be purely about sorting out remaining bugs, nothing more. 1C MIGHT be open to sorting out the remaining bugs if it did not cost them anything except office space, but I don't see them agreeing to anything more than that. They would, however, demand a definite and serious business plan.
1C may well be limited in what they may or may not do by the terms of their contract with 777, but apart from that I don't see what they would have to lose. If this venture fails, they are no worse off than they are now. If successful, they have an engine that finally delivers what it was supposed to do, ready for use at a future date.

Oh, and do you accept euros instead of dollars? :)

Is it possible to use kickstarter for CLOD sourcecode buyout?

Send $500 to me because that's all I need to access $15,000,000 in an account. Send me $500 and I will give you $10,000 when I have the account money sent to me.

Warmest regards

Hood

im pretty sure the state of the game voided that "contract"

also why should we honor the eula when the devs didnt honor many of their "promises" which could be seen as advertisements, such as releasing the SDK and other features, and if that dosent exist then give the users the rights to the codes....as far as im concerned the clod is abandonware...the faster the community takes it apart for their (our) own uses the better...

also eula is a joke...thats why if at all possible i download my games, when doing that you dont have to agree to the eula and all the BS that goes with it...and it insulates you from the possibility of other BS happening...

Probably what will happen is the community will have to make there own tools.

I'll put up a few hundred dollars/pounds. If it can be done.
I doubt it can though.

Sadly, my friend, it doesn't void the EULA. And if you want to be a pirate, go right ahead. Just don't come crying here if you ever get reamed by the company :P

The devs don't have to give us diddly squat, and they have the law on their hand. The faster people acknowledge that little fact, the faster you can get on to doing something more worthwhile with your time.

Downloading games is something I stopped doing a long time ago. Why? Simple. while pirating saves you some money, it helps to move more and more developers over to console gaming, where pirating is harder. Or move them to proprietary DRM-solutions like UPlay.

+1

How positively Nigerian of you!! If he thinks he can find one hundred people to stump up five hundred bucks for CoD then I see no reason why he won't go for this scheme either.:grin:

OK, but I would feel better if you would confirm that this is not a scam

p.s. your name is troubling

SlipBall, i can confirm its not a scam.

















(Hood, i want $100) :grin:

Might need a fair bit more than $50,000 to cover equipment costs, rent, utilities, company go betweens, tax and a sufficient profit margin for 1c to consider it worthwhile. ;)

lol good one:grin:

That's hilarious !
what was the cost of the 7 years of CloD development ? 6 or 7 or 8 millions ?
That's peanuts comparing to folks who are filming 250 to 300 million blockbuster
movies just to have it the next day after theatre release posted on
the Internet by a bunch of guys streaming for free and a lot of them in an
excellent quality mind you .
Haven't been reading any madness of authorities picking one after another day in day out .
None , zero , nada , zilch , zip .
L.O.L. compare CloD peanuts expenses , I wonder which attorney will pick
up CloD case just for a couple of millions and to whom exactly they will be hunting ? .
Hoping for the SFS extractor as soon as possible .
Pay 50 grand to the guys whose hobby is to crack games code and they will eat CloD alive !
That's a nice pay considering they do it for free with other games .
Sorry couldn't resist , Luthier was not exactly nice to us either .

hmmm, it's needed to think on large numbers. If you have 1000 people (which is not so difficult worldwide...) with 50 euros is 50.000,00=.
If you have 10000 is 500000 and so on.
Obviously is neede an organization. Website..paypal or something similar...etc.
But 1st.......Is needed the will of the owner to sell.......

This is your best post ever.

Usually I'm very much EULA is EULA and copyright is not to be abused... but in the case of where the product sold does not match the product advertised, this is and should be a completely different story.

If it was a motor vehicle advert and the motor vehicle being sold didn't match, civil action could be applied and have a gues which party would win that action... yes the person bringing the action against the vehicle maker.
Blatant false advertising.....

The same should apply to software and civil action should be (in this case) brought against the publisher. Why the publisher? because they own the rights to the product, they advertised the product to sell the product, and they released a product which fell short of that commitment to supply.

sadly as of late i have not seen any good games worth downloading and the ONE game that i did purchase Diablo 3 was a game if any is worth of getting for free is the one to get since it was crap....

also after i try the game if i like i generally buy it to get all the features and a more complete and sometimes less stressful (having to get or wait for cracked patches) experience...



the key word here is abandonware.... the devs and everyone else involved has clearly abandoned the game, and its fans in this regard...

honestly i really hope that they make some really huge leaps forward with this ROF engine, but who knows what will happen and having something to fall back on...would be really nice...

Easy way to solve this ..

If 777 are so anal that they want CLOD terminated then we should have the same attitude to BOS and espectially ROF .. they can go f%^&%^ themselves, they won't see my money. i pay for quality, not cartels. Start a campaign.

All we want is CLOD fixed .. last patch wasn't even close, maybe for onliners, not for offliners. I don't want to see CLOD expanded, just fixed.

As to money, i suggested that a few days ago and got the cricket response. i still think free user fixes is the best apprpoach.

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collect money for a game?:confused:, talking of millions?

how about collecting money to hyre a good lawyer and sue the powers for the population control measures like adding mercury to vaccines and cavity fillings, fluoride in water, aluminum in deodorant lead in gasoline and better not talking of food

but wait what for someone would run with the money:rolleyes:

i wonder who would take care of the millions to save the game, personally i wouldnt like to do it would be like a black lottery

It would cost more in legal fees to sue than it would to just buy the dam engine, or create your own.

Most top international trade lawyers charge $800 / hour.