Good news on future of BOM
 

I was not the original poster of this but because of the ongoing speculation about whether the project is cancelled or not I thought I would highlight this
A post made by DEDA.
The orginal post:
Re: Курилка
Вчера провел весь вечер с разработчиками в Москве. Через пару недель, а может быть быстрее, вы узнаете всё подробности о сложившейся ситуации. Пока скажу, что вас ждёт позитивная информация.

The google translation:
Yesterday I spent the whole evening with the developers in Moscow. After a couple of weeks, and can be faster, you will learn all the details of the situation. While I will say that you will find positive information.

When asked who he was this link was given:
http://www.youtube.com/user/DEDATV/v...ow=grid&view=0
Obviously helps the team with flight models etc.


[QUOTE=podvoxx;481292]http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=1#post1926418





DEDA[/QUOTE

Thanks...not a surprise to some of us who use some logic:-P

lol!

"A couple of weeks" = "Two weeks" ?

Better news than no news.

Phew... good to know.

The sim is just so popular that it will never be an orphaned project, or sold or traded as a weak broken engine...too much $ to loose, the investors can see that, be sure :-)

I hope your right slipball crazier things have been known to happen ;)

two weeks, be sure....XD

But, yes ... phew.... good news!

Yes good news indeed )
And something more from DEDA:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...8&postcount=25

errrr ... and who is Sanchez?

Thnx
 

[QUOTE=Bobb4;481322]I was not the original poster of this but because of the ongoing speculation about whether the project is cancelled or not I thought I would highlight this
A post made by DEDA.
The orginal post:
Re: Курилка
Вчера провел весь вечер с разработчиками в Москве. Через пару недель, а может быть быстрее, вы узнаете всё подробности о сложившейся ситуации. Пока скажу, что вас ждёт позитивная информация.

The google translation:
Yesterday I spent the whole evening with the developers in Moscow. After a couple of weeks, and can be faster, you will learn all the details of the situation. While I will say that you will find positive information.

When asked who he was this link was given:
http://www.youtube.com/user/DEDATV/v...ow=grid&view=0
Obviously helps the team with flight models etc.


1st piece of good news in a while
Many thanks Bobb:grin:

That's welcome news. Hopefully accurate. There have been so many rumours flying around lately.

I've been around this forum for a long time and I know how crazy things can get, but the amount of doom-laden hand-wringing based on nothing but speculation and rumour from the last few weeks really takes the biscuit.

Am I missing something here. I'm only seeing some vaugue assurance of "something" in the broken english of google translate. :confused:

:) google makes some funny mistakes.
чёса карманов is original and I don't know what that means.

But from context of the sentence the sequel won't be arcade shooter.

"We will not take away money(donate) from our players, as do other developers. There will not be leveling"

New msg :)
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=1#post1926620

Thanks podvoxx :)
I was writing about this sentence:

Is correct assume that: "They are not in the swamp"?

;)

Sokol1

Eh? So it was rumour and speculation before but this new information is welcome and believable.....even though all it does is provide further evidence that work on the project stopped. :confused:

As far as i read well, none from 1C confirm or infirm anything in bad or good....

...and why would they for god's sake? Fancy expecting IC, or any other company for that matter, to confirm or deny every inflammatory message posted on a public forum. I imagine they'll probably continue with the BoM project (very unfortunate acronym) if they anticipate a reasonable return on their investment. If not, well I guess we're out of luck. If that's the case we'll just have to wait for a company that's prepared to invest the necessary funds on a loss making basis....

:grin:

Meh, until I hear official word, from 1C themselves, in english, I don't even bother getting ready to be excited.

DEDA
Who knows maybe some of this announcements was realised

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...sGiMcHxpIowCZg

+1

Friendly say Vranac, you can quote DEDA but he is not belonging to 1C. Working with is not working at...
Too many rumors and no sources certified, i prefer stop this brainy-masturbation-expectation.

Well certainly I have the patience to wait two weeks ...I did it all the time with Il-2!
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...dt6a_thumb.jpg

what does "prokachek" mean?

But how many forum members get excited by speculation and rumour, yet won't be level headed enough to either dismiss them as rumour or wait for a message from 1C? Just as the posts in the Sukoi forum prove nothing, neither do a few postings from "someone in the know."

upgrade/experience gain/leveling

-1

Prokachek aircraft - for $ buy extra power plane, invulnerability, and super-powerful weapons, is not true at the time.

Oberst Klink says ...
 

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So. You think this speculation will get you anywhere?

said that "prokachek" there is no place to be all the best traditions of flight simulator

I'd hate to think that the moderators on these forums live by double standards?

As every thread speculating about the future of 1C/Maddox has so-far been deleted, even if they didn't break any of the forum rules, I would therefore fully expect this thread to be erased too?

Only when actual facts and information are coming from 1C/Maddox should we expect to see any threads allowed, or could we have some explanation as to why non rule breaking threads have been deleted but others with 'positive' conjecture (without official sanction) can merrily be allowed to give hope?

So can we see a little balance from tbe moderators until we get official news?

MP

A person with an open mind would say that this must mean there is less speculation and more truth in this thread if they have not deleted it ;)

Plus no bashing of devs has started in this thread "YET".

Thank you :D, this makes me a happy man indeed.

They locked plenty of threads in which there was no bashing of the devs. I expect this thread to be locked and/or deleted.

I though that those threads were deleted because of spreading false information.:confused:

This thread has as much official information as any of the deleted/locked ones.

Hit the nail on the head. Without official input this thread is exactly the same so it should be deleted. All other speculative threads have been removed, this thread has as much basis on truth as the deleted ones.

So objectively this thread should be deleted as it isn't officially sanctioned?

MP

Not the same. The last official statement is that the sequel work in progress, but no additional info, we have to wait the official announcement. The deleted topics claimed to the contrary without proof.

I think the DEDA comments are the same as what we were told just prior to the month of Dec. I will have to search it out to be sure...basically nothing has changed, lets get ready to rumble:-P

Of course it is not official information.We wan't get any until announcement.

But I find this source very respectable.

Deda is Andrey Samoteikin author of this great series.

http://www.youtube.com/user/DEDATV?feature=watch

For me no official news does not mean "nothing has changed" it means "We don't want to give official news".

IvanK is a very respectable source too and his thread got deleted.

Nothing will ever make you negative nancy's stop, the mods will close your negative threads as they do nothing but feed your desire to see the worst in anything. You can easily discuss this news on ATAG or SimHQ to your hearts content, this is the companies website so you have to expect different things. The moment some good news comes along you want to shut that thread down so you can continue with your pessimism.

Its quite possible IC has been in discussions for many months with an investor like their own government to help sponsor work on a series of historical Russian fronts. These talks could take months and they don't need alot of negative speculation coming from the forums as "everything", however small, is taken into consideration when making deals. This would be free money to help finish the game engine, and provide a historical account of the sacrifices and courage of the Russian people during the Great War. A win win situation. You gotta love positive speculation, hate negative speculation. ;)

Since everyone throws in their speculations, here's one scenario that's possible based on fragments of info we've picked up here and there on this forums and my wilde speculations just for fun.
I think 1c is going to bring new Eastern front content, on CLOD engine, but they'll shake the company a bit before going forward.
From what I understand, they didn't aprove Luthier's "Project Galba" and the proposed med/Africa addon, so Luthier,(maybe together with some of the programers he brought into Maddox games) will be out of the team. Since Luthier and Jasson are good friends, I wouldn't exclude seing Luthier's Project Galba (Koreea) being made on Rise of Flight engine.

Of course, this are wilde drunken speculations and I could be barking, not only to the wrong tree, but to the wrong forest. :lol:

It's all a fair point and this was IvanK's post:

"We all know something is up inside 1C with respect to CLOD and the planned Moscow/Stalingrad sequels.... which I believe have been cancelled. I base that on hard information provided to me by trusted independent sources. These same sources also say that an "arrangement " has been made between 1C and 777 studios. Exactly what this arrangement is not clear. I say not clear because a third credible source provides a slightly different story.

Two options have been suggested. The first a new WWII Sim based on the ROF engine with unique new content. In this case all models and content from the Moscow/Stalingrad sequels will be trashed. The second suggestion is the porting of 3D models etc from the cancelled Moscow/Stalingrad sequels into the ROF engine to be part of the new 1C/777/ROF WWII Sim.

Foobs touched on all this in his Blog not so long ago. Many have lambasted Foobs scoop as garbage however it does actually closely agree with the info I have received from trusted knowledgeable sources.

So what is the TRUE situation ? the community are enjoying the current "Final" release patch of CLOD. It shows the awesome potential that CLOD has to offer. There is still work to be done however. The community anticipation is that improvements that will come with the sequels will flow through to CLOD. Of course if the sequels have been cancelled (which I believe to be the case) then what we have is it !

So 1C please tell the community what the True situation is. At present the community is in a Vacuum still awaiting that Official "sequel" announcement that was supposed to have been be made a couple of months ago."

All these threads are pure speculation, so let's speculate?

MP

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You should mark jokes.

It's almost like his very life is depending on getting some kind of reply from the devs, seems odd. :-P everyone chill and let them work! having all the answers will not change your life for now.. lol :-P

WRT the statement about the investment of government money ... that is old news. If some one wants to take the time and go back through the archives you will discover that it was made back in Olegs time.

This investment was instrumental with the decision to go with a Russian (Moscow/Stalingrad) sequel scenario rather than the original Mediterranean/Desert scenario for the sequel.

And no SlipBall my life doesnt rely on getting a reply from the devs (thats the new devs btw), it was an attempt to get a timely statement for the community. .... I am pretty sure I know whats coming down the track !

Guessing.

B6: They're spreading rumours on the forum.
Luthier: Again?


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I am just as curious as you are Ivan, we all love the series. But they have been saying for months, that it must remain a secret for awhile longer. So even though I am curious as hell, I will give them that respect, and wait to hear an official announcement. If I were to ask now I would be met with silence, so why bother them, and disappoint myself.:-)

SlipBall,

What we are asking is not for them do divulge the secret of the sequels but to let us know officially if there will be any sequel using the improved CLOD engine.

Is a simple:
"Hi, we had some internal changes but development of the CLOD engine has not stopped for the sequels. You will have an announcement in two weeks, for sure"

I, for one, do not understand why the silence for such a simple notification that would squash the rumors about it being cancelled or a different engine being used.

This......

I don't believe in astrology. I am a Sagittarius and we're very sceptical. Arthur C Clarke

(Just wanted to get a post in before this thread is deeeeeeleted.)

If you were on the development team would you feel a need to inform this community of wingers, whiners, saboteurs and rumour-mongers any of your intentions?
Isn't the community just a little bit too needy?

If I was on the team I would be thankful for the break from the community so I could concentrate on developing the game and for once not have to answer a myriad of questions.

I don't think it's a good idea to go and knock on the door and ask if there's anyone there.

They gave us what we asked for - a reasonably well finished version of the game. Now let's leave them in peace.

It's very nice to hear the unofficial rumor/inside information/scuttlebutt (however you choose to catagorize the information in this thread), that CoD follow-on will not be implemented in a "pay-to-win" model.

While I can see at least some benefits to an MMO Il2, my great fear for months is that it would be implemented in a World of Tanks type model, whose worst aspect is the sheer amount of time that player must spend in order to obtain the next aircraft.

Anyway, it's nice to see a little positive information - even if it turns out it's incorrect in some aspect or the other. Helps me get through the day.

Yes it is a simple question and common sense would be, to get a short simple answer from them. To tell the truth, I doubt they even have time or bother to read here. Ivan could very well be right about things, but what would such an answer do to morale...would be a lock fest around here:grin:

Incredible, they've already said "wait for announcement", then someone says something about someone they know that may know something and the rumour mill starts spinning like there's no tomorrow. Here's a little tip, wait for the announcement.:rolleyes:

Reading the sukhoi site through the Bing translator is like reading ancient druid poetry written by a schizophrenic. The speculation/translation in here is as hard to follow.

Anyone got a simple one liner for what it is trying to say?

well you guys remember those little video teasers with the player controlled vehicles and AA guns...?

I think there just improving on that and making it better for an announcement in 2 weeks.

Salute

This latest rumour just hi-lights once again the real question, which needs to be answered by a 1C Spokesperson:

What is the status of Battle of Moscow/Battle of Stalingrad? Is the series continuing and in what form?

We have to assume this will be the whole point of the announcement. I can't see any point in delaying the announcement unless they were still in negotiations, which is probably the case.

I will believe there is a sequel when I have a working product on my harddrive which is bug free. Engaging in a couple years of speculation and unkept promises is pointless.

we already had that confirmed at the completion of the most recent CoD patch (which is only a few weeks ago), work on BoM is continuing and there was mention by luthier of some major announcement due about other aspects of the SoW series. the initial indications were that this new announcement might be about a possible MMO project (with or without still creating later installments of the SoW series is not clear)

which brings us to the current date, where a few 3e hand whiff's of possible change at 1C has the usual same trolls and whiners in the western forums go in a tail spin while cluttering the forums with their clouds of doom and negative speculation. no doubt foobar and ivanK heard something, but there is no indication of what part of the elephant the blind man is holding and then trying to describe to the rest of the crowd of onlookers. neither is there any indication of how reliable their sources are, and these would be lower level employees in any case (who dont hold the big picture information senior management has).

meanwhile in the russian forums (which are usually much better informed) there is no increased chatter or leaked reports of imminent negative changes regarding the future of the SoW series (or reports of major staff changes, or disgruntled recently fired staff members posting under new pseudonyms and bringing out all the dirty laundry). if anything there are positive reports of a new possible investor to breath further life into the series (with a strong emphasis on maintaining realism and a high quality flightsim), AND work continuing on BoM as planned

and if it would so turn out that there has been some change in the current project leader for SoW (luthier), then the lot of you have advanced notice so each of you can go and buy him a case of good vodka as a big thank you for rescueing the SoW series from the imminent death it faced 18 months ago, and for fixing the giant mess he was given when he took over. our only hope for a high realism ww2 flightsim was saved from near death, and after 12 months or so he has given us a pretty good next gen flightsim product that has lots of potential in it to quickly make further giant leaps forward in a very short space of time (since the core game and gfx engine is now working well enough to address the other residual issues)

it is much easier to break and destroy something, then it is to create it, and if any of you are at all interested at all to maximize our chances of getting to the promised land of all-things-good-in-ww2-flightsim, then you better stop giving matches and cans of fuel to the trolls and whiners who have no intention to ever help create anything positive, as they are only here to share their misery

Very good post zapman. Right on.

Indeed, in 2010 the question was raised about allocate
financing that would support the patriotic education of youth.
(!) Perhaps this project today touched the simulator IL2.

Watch from 1.30 minute
http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/153305

waiting for official information

Of all the tiniest crumbs of information that we've had to subsist on over the last few years, this is by far the smallest and most vague. Wait and see fellas. Wait and see.

I only want to go tank busting at Kursk in a Stuka equipped with 50mm cannons, is that too much to ask? :)

Thanks, didn't think BOM would be shelves so close to sale time.

Love this video .. pity no english text though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAuQDynn3wY&feature=plcp

and this one ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF9VZ...feature=fvwrel

pity it didn't have the original engine, thought it didn't sound right.
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Deda posted a link to an unlisted U-2 (Po-2) video today. Check out aircraft visibility at 2:05

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=dU0JH2wGZKA

I hope the news is positive when it comes out. Unfortunately the negative news I've been hearing appears to have more weight that this snippet.

Fingers crossed development is ongoing and taking the same course as last reported by Luthier.

please, no more haze-layers, we're not in LA. :grin:

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Good AA in this one! Driver or ingame settings? It's FXAA or SMAA?

+1
Well said.

somewhere I read '....to promote patriotism...', for sure red planes FM will be overmodded...:grin: :grin:
salute!

:lol: exactly what I thought :D

Why you translate it in russian? Unreadable! (google translator working bad in both directions R-E/E-R).

Officially you re the first Luftwhiner of CloD´s sequel. Two years before it hit the shelves.

Oh, goodeeee, were starting the party early :)

Where's Tree_UK?

i have the theory the spit was is and always be uber at any game

so fars true gues who won the war

No aircraft was really "superior" to any other. The allies won the air war just like they won the ground war, basically through sheer numbers, the war was doomed from the start.

Ww1 was where technological advances constantly swayed the air war in favour of one side to the other...

I would be grateful if you could offer me something best.

Otto von Bismarck stated that war is between Germany and Russia - is the greatest folly.
But unfortunately Hitler not destined to hear the admonition ..

Try speake english? Why you translate to russian?
I assure you, for Russian native speaker is difficult to understand this set of words.

простите, но что это ваша проблема, имеет он как-то оскорбил вас?

Ok if you want speak russian.
Я просто хочу понять зачем пытаться писать по русски на англоязычном форуме. Это похоже на передразнивание/троллинг.

The question is, which "sway" you model. ;)

Haha hmmm... a Fascist or Communist sway ;)

Thank you!
Now I understood what you mean. :)
The fact that I had the automatic translation of the page, and when administered the English text occurs automatically translation into Russian, but I could not see because the page at me is displayed in Ru
after disabling automatic translation of I saw that my posts are displayed in clumsy Ru.
I'm sorry.

P.S.
corrected messages

The Allies won WW II because the US developed the most potent weapon still known to man and the most technologically advanced delivery system, for its time . They out managed and produced the axis at every phase necessary to prosecute a war.

If it would have been necessary the US would have designed far superior engineered equipment. However, as it was they only needed a fighter designed in 1943 and a bomber designed pre war to devistate Germany from the air.

In the crucial period Jan. 1944 to September 1944, the Western Allies had the superior technology versus Germany. The Mustang and Spitfire of that time period were superior to the German aircraft they opposed, (primarily the 109G6) and despite not having any better numbers advantage than the Germans had during the BoB, the better aircraft told. During that time period the Western Allied airforces established complete air superiority, destroyed the German ability to manufacture and distribute fuel, attritioned the German pilot cadre to the point it could not recover and managed to land in France and liberate it. During the same time period, in an effort to counter the Allied air offensive, the Germans committed the bulk of their airforce to oppose the Western Allies, reduced their aircraft opposing the Soviets to the point the Soviets also gained complete air superiority, and were able to mount a ground offensive which liberated most of the remainder of the Soviet Union as well as seizing the oil assets in Rumania.

The Allied and Soviet air superiority greatly improved their ground force's ability to mount offensives as well as advancing and capturing territory. The lack of fuel, (due to the Western Allied bombing of German assetss) on the German side led to strategic paralysis, the inability to maneuver and position reserves to counter Allied or Soviet attack thrusts, or properly exploit counterattacks. (France being the primary example)

In the second half of 1944 and the first half of 1945, the Germans began to produce a few superior aircraft, in particular the Me-262, but these were built in too small numbers and the Luftwaffe could not take advantage of this superiority due to the lack of trained and experienced pilots remaining, (many not being trained sufficiently in the flight schools due to the lack of fuel allocated to training, a direct result of the bombing campaign) and the misallocation of the few aircraft which were produced. And of course, the situation on the ground had irretrievably deteriorated to the point Germany had lost most of the resources it needed to continue.

The Mustang first flew in 1940. It needed a British engine to be successful. The USAAF wasn't interested in the a/c till the USN took notice of it.

winnng wars has several factors . . . many factors . . .

and often these factors are lined up like dominos, one factor falling causes others to fall also . . .


one of the key was industrialization and supply, of which as been discussed
another was the leadership quality (hitler playing general while the allies generally gave their generals and admirals to work)

strategy and tactics. the Axis powers had great tactics but their strategy had holes the Allies did not . . .

this leads into resource managment, one side managed resources better

Controlling the sea . . . (this played more a role in the pacific but played a role in western front), Germany threatened the sea, but didn't control it

Controlling the air . . .

military strength, economic / industrialization power of allies . . .

quality and quantity of troops . . .

use the environment / situation (Russian winter etc) . . .

one could go endless



I could see the Soviet planes getting more love, but as things go on, hopefully the devs will make things historically accurate.


It's pointless to argue over something that hasn't happend even if there's a highly likely chance of it happening.



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back to the topic



I don't think the devs will close it, because its not a wild rumor that leads off the path completely, and leads to multiple infractions by participants like the ones they've locked.

They may close if people start arguing and breakin rules . . . here


It's kind of like earlier, pre B6 times . . . when sukhoi seemed to get news about the new IL-2 over there.

but its hearsay, however I do remember the sukhoi news would have some truth when the official dev press release was given . . .




I don't know where the rumor started that the devs weren't going to use the game engine that ClOD used . ..

Well the devs could either continue to fix or redo a new one with what they learned form the old one.

Either way if they learned the lessons, hopefully those will cut down the time and monumentality that designing an engine from scratch or overhauling badly coded one . . .

but we can't know and speculate like the following

Then there's the devs use the ROF engine. But the ROF engine is not a current engine (this was discussed in IvanK's thread (already), and use it would be reliable but the engine is dated and we are expecting much more.

And there would be licensing etc . . .


Or ROF team is building a successor engine (and later ROF successor) and IL-2 team will use that or do a join team thing and develop an engine based off the new gen ROF one . . . That might be interesting.

Maybe IL-2 devs are looking at what other sim engines do well (like ROF, 1946, DCS must) and figuring their own way to pull it off . ..

I don't know but while rumors and speculation can be fun, we won't know until the offical ball drops.

But we can only speculate.

Still this rumor points in a good direction, that they are working to develop something professional;

there isn't levelling up or uber planes, and they aren't going to take money from players so this could mean they aren't having a pay per plane or F2P mmo model where to get the real goodies you have to pony up $ . . .

And we have the usual 2 week notice . . . It seems that's a running joke from the devs . . .

they'll always say official announcement in 2 weeks whether they are going to or not just for "shits n giggles"

But its not comfirmed, so we can only take this with a grain of salt . . .




->


I was laughing so hard . . .


I think it means the devs are aiming for a sim engine that even professional aviators can use for an accurate depiction of flight.

I thought about the "Sanchez"

Sanchez is that mustache you see most of the Mexican banditos (bandits) sporting in those old westerns

or

that "sex" move (google it)

or

Sancho means the other guy (having sex with your wife / gf) or the other guy a woman has on the side (for sex / weird relationship)




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well said


I remember on a commentary about Tolkien said its much more divine to create than to make a mockery, so creation, even if its fantasy, is a on higher level while satire, which is a mockery of what has been created is considred a low form and a ride in devil's play ground . . .







it depends of BoM is successful or not
if it is, there's a high probability the Il-2 series will take off and we will see that.

I kinda like that version of the Stuka in IL-2 1946; online I'd just fly low and knock off the wheels for better performance and puncture tanks.

I like the mixed fight + mud mover missions.

I remember I stayed low and all these Mustang dudes were looking for me and couldn't really focus cuz some bad team mates were vulching the crap out of the opposing airfields with their 190s . . .

raaaid, you are truly a genius. You only have to mention that one plane was superior (won the war) and all the recent speculation is forgotten in the ensuing squabble.

:)
"Sanchez" mistranslation (чесать).
Should be understood as "scratching your pockets users" - extracting maximum profit without much effort.

P.S.
If it is short:
DEDA told that it will be high-grade an avia the exercise machine (East Front) in the new decision.

The good old P51 Mustang. Of all the fighter aircraft (other than the Spit/Tempest/Mossie and Fury) to be commissioned, named and powered by the British, the Mustang was probably the best :grin: