The Last Patch Didn't Fix The Game
 

Friday update anybody?

1) The AI is on par with Il-2 1946 unmodded.
2) Coop doesn't work
3) Radio commands do nothing
4) Animations on the 3D model are jerky
5) Campaigns aren't very good
6) Epilepsy filter still exists, option needs to be removed and files permanently deleted

The list is not all inclusive. I payed real money for this game and 1C hasn't delivered. Where's the next update? Surely you can't be serious when you say the last update was final. It might have been the final release candidate for THAT patch, but you just brought this game to release candidate level. A year late, lacking in gameplay value, needing improvement, under developed, and company likely taking undue profits from this software.

Go ahead and give me a heads up when you decide which improvements will be next. The answer 'none' or 'pay for Moscow' aren't acceptable.

IL-2 has always been like this dude, compare the original IL-2 with hsfx6, the game does work!

Not sure what you expect response to this? +1? Angry denials?

It is what it is. Like it or leave it. It's simple.

I guess you don´t have any other choice than to accept those answers... Or do you want to sue 1C?

:rolleyes:

I'd really just like a refund, but I think I'd have to go through Steam. Getting Steam to admit they sold a crappy product will be the hard part. The difficulties associated with getting Steam to pay have been the main reason I've made my expectations clear in the past here, hoping to get the game we all thought we were buying. The only excuse 1C and the guys have to drop support of this game is bankruptcy, nothing else.

The game ain't done and fair is fair. So keep working on the fixes.

i managed to get a reply from someone of 1c.

"Dear costumer,
my name is xx CEO of 1c.
whatever **** you
Regards

ps: buy our games"

:lol:

You guys are so cute. I love it how you think they'll fix this game.

They're probably done. Learn to live with it.

Unfortunately you will have to buy the Sequel to make COD better. Shyte happens, but its still a very cheap investment. Almost everything they are working on the make the Sequel better will also make the Channel map better. Never-mind all the community and third party addons that will improve the Channel Map in the Sequel.

For selfish reasons I want to thank everyone in the west for ignoring the bad reviews, yet still purchased COD, without your support there was no chance we would have seen the recent patches, or the fixes in the next Sequel. If the Sequel succeeds, and the official announcement doesn't change the direction of the development too much, we should see further fixes, and features that will also apply to the Channel Map in all following Sequels.

When RoF came out it was extremely limited and ran like crap on most computers and there was a ****storm like you haven't seen before in Russia and outside from hateful whiny complainers... If it was always up to the "glass-half-empty"-people we wouldn't have neither RoF nor CoD, simple as that.

I played RoF a lot until CoD came out. I was actually a staunch defender of RoF back in the difficult early days when so many simmers were delighted to slag and spout hate about the sim, without giving it a chance to improve. I still love it, but unfortunately just have too little time to fly both RoF and CoD. If I had two lives I would be making CoD videos in one and RoF vids in the other! Still buy all the stuff that comes out for RoF, but at heart I'm a little bit more a WWII guy, so my limited time goes to CoD. - Also, I feel that CoD needs a bit more support against the haters, whereas RoF can stand on its own, since it (deservedly) became such a huge success!

I am still amazed at people who don't realise what an ungrateful niche it is to make hi-fidelity flight sims. All the people who work with CoD could do much better making a mindless first-person shooter. CoD is made with huge ambitions, much to big for the development budget, as history has shown, but I'd rather have an ambitious sim that only over time will fulfill its potential (just like Il-2 Classic and RoF) than a small, limited game without growth prospects.

+1

You'll have to go about being disappointed, then, since those ARE your only options.

+1

If i would be so bothered by a game, and I would feel so p***ed,
I wouldnt move around in the games` forum anymore and waste my time.

So what are u still doing here, If you cant get into the game, just leave it.
It cant be the few 50 bugs u spend a few months ago that keep ya here and make ya pesting the moods.

Take the game as it is or leave it, it is like with a dealer around the next corner.
Moaning and trolling about the game is getting more than boring, as we had each opinion and discusison already.

+1 + Pac man
 

Just had a look in my Crystal ball.
I predict when BOM is released all these questions will be answered.
I know and COMPLETELY agree the game i bought is not what it said on the box.
The only way 1c can fix is with a major rebuild of the whole game.
BOM promissis this.
I for one will wait and see,but remain positve.;)
Clod is now finished...No more fixes as 1c have stated.
It is what it is....move on,no amount of complants will change this.
Yes I am anoyed as well as everyone else...Now just lets see what the future holds.
Their record with the old sieres was excelent...Give them a chance...dont damm them before there done.
Without guys like this we would still be playing pac man.
Until Then I will play ROF...IMO an almost perfect Sim/Game...but still could do with more engaging missions too.
Keep the faith.:rolleyes:

This is where you went wrong - i payed fake money for this game:grin:

In due time, after BoM has bombed. :rolleyes:

With the behaviour of some people on this forum I expect that is something they wish for.

Amazing logic there, keep rocking.
On the same flow, it's ok for you to visit threads like this but he's not supposed to be on the forum at all?

Maybe you're the owner?

Buying the sequel will be an act of faith. After buying Clod I am now an atheist. I'll watch what happens and if the evidence convinces me I will believe and buy it.

You're welcome. I was one of them. I spent $800 in computer upgrades to play, what I thought, was going to be near fantastic and still getting better.

I believe 1C was going in the right direction making patches but still left us with an unfinished product. It is not expressly stated that the game will never be finished on the box, and that's the reason I want a refund, or a finished game.

I love what was attempted, but hate the result. In the end, cases like this prove that buyers like us need consumer protections against something like this. 1C is truly showing itself to be a horrible company to have both forced the early release of this game and then pulling the plug on it. Not to mention Oleg Maddox lying about his involvement in the game. I remember a SimHQ interview with Oleg and he said the release version of Rise of Flight was not very impressive. I found out he was right and realized that his involvement in Clod meant it was going to be a real gem. Of course it ended up the other way around. The whole concept of what a train wreck the scenario surrounding this game has been is almost unbelievable.

First off Oleg was right, ROF wasn't very good at release, but that doesn't mean he didn't think it would get better. COD isn't dead either, but it appears you will have to buy the Sequel, which would probably be less than most ROF users have paid for extra aircraft. The Sequel will include new aircraft, GUI, SDK, and many other features, fixes that will improve the Channel map, not to mention all the user made missions and campaigns.

I highly recommend waiting for reviews from trusted people before buying the Sequel. Working exclusively on COD would make absolutely no financial sense, COD's sales are finished, and the development/publishers desperately need another influx of cash. The only way that will happen is a working Sequel and game engine that by definition will fix most of Channel maps issues. I know of very few people who bought the initial release of the original series, and waited for the development to exclusively improve it, they bought AEP, or FB for those improvements. This time of course nobody will buy on faith.

A lot of us did buy the original Il2 Chivas, that's where we all got hooked onto the series (in fact I still have the disc for the original and a lot of the sequels, the only one that I don't still have is Pacific Figthers because I passed that on to a friend).

The original did run a lot better for most on the pc that most of us had at the time, than this does. Oleg kept the series alive with regular visits to the forums with information and improvements, this has not been happening with Luthier and C.o.D.
Getting information from the team for this series is like getting blood from a stone (ok that has improved over the last few months) and saying that this or that was going to be fixed and never was over the 18 months since release is just a joke.
Maybe the things that need fixing still will be done with the sequels, that still remains to be seen.
Most will wait some time after the sequel is released to make sure some of the bugs in that are ironed out before making any decision about buying. Nobody in their right mind will rush into the sequel blindly after the fiasco of C.o.D.
If the team want to earn our trust again they must give us a playable demo (don't care if it is a time restricted one done through steam and it has to work with Windows 8 ).

The windows 8 problem is one that isn't going to go away, both MS and 1C Maddox are very quiet over the issue. Once again it would be nice if Luthier came to the forum and said, "hey we know there is an issue and we are working on it" or "tough luck we consider this is MS's problem we will fix it with the sequel". To be honest I don't think either will happen looking at the track record and Luthier's statement that C.o.D. is finished.

Talking of being left high and dry...why were sand dunes not accurately modelled?

There is no chance there will be a demo. They don't have the time or money to produce one. Like I said in many previous posts, you will have to make a decision based on reviews you trust.

Windows 8 is not a priority issue, it would be if it was listed in the recommended specs. Not many people would have upgraded to Windows 8, so soon, if they had read any of the early reviews. That said I'm sure its now better than those early reviews. Its always better to wait, or atleast have multiple operating systems on your PC. I currently have XP, Window 7 64bit, and see no reason to add Windows 8 yet. I have no doubt that Luthier will look at Windows 8 when he has time, but he still has far higher priorities to address first. My guess is Windows 8 will be a recommended OS in the Sequel, with the possibility of an updated before that.

Standalone COD is finished, but that doesn't mean the Battle of Britain and further scenarios on the Channel map are over, infact its just the end of the beginning. Almost everything will be improved by development Sequels, and user made content. That said there still a good possiblility the development will fail, and we will have to depend on the slow improvements made by the community. Personally I'd rather the developer stuck around to add improvements and supply tools for the community so the series could improve far quicker.

I notice there are lots of posts now about kings bounty and hardly any for clod. Tell's me they could use all that kings bounty money to fix clod instead of telling lies to sell a likely already broken sequel to a broken clod that doesn't work on xp when they said it was supposed to, but really doesn't.

I understand people trying to be positive, but there is a fine line between positive and utter denial.

Saying the sequel will fix all the problems, will do this and that, weather, campaign, etc. etc. is really a silly thing to think will happen given the track record. The same thing was said over and over with every beta patch for CLoD.

What makes you think that the devs that couldnt put CLoD together, after over a year, will have any more luck with the next game? Ever think they just dont know how? I personally do. I dont think they are capable to making a working game.

And finally the biggest mistake for the devs...lack of an SDK. Without it, you can kiss the franchise goodbye. The fact that user made content and mods, helped sell original IL2 for years and years, its proof that the user base of talented modders knows more about making what people want than the devs. They should have realized this, and given us a shell and let the community do the rest. Like ArmA did.

Thing is if CoD was worth the effort to mod it would already be done.
How long did it take for kegeties(sp?) To add a basic modact? Not long. Modders don't really need an SDK, they need something worth adding to. Thus far there isnt.

They plan to have the map SDK in the Sequel, that said the original series never had any SDK's, or development support, and still did wonders. Even if the development shut down today I'm sure there will be people in the community and other third parties who will tackle the issues head on, but I would prefer the development stayed in business aswell to make it all happen much faster. Just because the development hasn't been able to finish the project in a reasonable time frame doesn't mean it can't be done. Thankfully they have investors, who aren't as pessimistic, that still think they can pull it off.

"Everyone" understand there are no guarantees that much will be fixed in the Sequel, but much of the work over the last couple of years was dominated by rewriting and optimizations on the game engine to make the sim playable on the average PC. Now that they've made decent strides with the game engine, I see no reason they can't make decent strides with the gameplay issues, over the next year or two.

Originally posted by Chivas: _

There is no chance there will be a demo. They don't have the time or money to produce one. Like I said in many previous posts, you will have to make a decision based on reviews you trust.
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Sorry Chivas I don't agree with you, they will have to do something to win back the trust and a time limited demo (or an open beta) would be the way to go. Microsoft has time limited betas for some software so where is the problem.
You have also stated that we should go on reviews by those that we trust with the sequel, who do we trust?. A lot of those posting in the forums could be classed as "fan boys", I certainly wouldn't trust their opinions. After seeing how the supporters of the Il2 series have been hung out to dry with the C.o.D. I certainly won't trust the developers with the sequel without proof, their specs will no longer mean anything to those who have waited 18 months only to be told that C.o.D. is finished.

To the developers: -

SHOW US THE PROOF

CloD is what it is with its strong points and flaws. The thing that worries me are Ilya's words "in a very near future". Having spend quite lot of time in Russia it is my experience that the word "future" in Russian often means "never". Hopefully not this time.:)

+1
 

:-PGood call,the sensible way to go.
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Well, i think that the devs can make the best combat flight sim ever:

[youtube]IyCJNMoadQ0[/youtube]

Just that deserves one year of wait and my money spend. If you call this "unfinished" ou think it's a piece of crap, i don't think so, i like this software A LOT!

Bye!

Well, I personally feel I've gotten my money's worth from the game - and I still have a lot left to do. I've spent over 100 hours in the game and I know I'll spend hundreds more. That's a hell of a lot of time for a small inexpensive purchase. I've paid more for other games and played less time.

Yes, it isn't perfect, but it's definitely playable and a hell of a lot of fun.

So if they can make a nice DM its a complete game? Way to set your expectation bar, on what a great sim is. :rolleyes:

Glad you can enjoy the game....doesnt change the fact its still unfinished, and support is over for it.

DCS has just as impressive DM. Also is complete, and still being updated, added to, and working as advertised. See that is the difference.

The lack of a mappable zoom axis makes me so angry every time I try and play the game I give up.
It just shows how incompetent 1C is as a developer and I have no faith now in anything they promise or do.
The best way to improve the sequel would be to have 777 or Eagle Dynamics do it.

Nice eye candy of a damage model in an otherwise unplayable game

Microsoft can afford to have all the demos it would like. The new IL-2 developement has neither the time or the money to waste on a Demo. I didn't say to trust fanboy reviews, I said find one you could trust, maybe check out the reviewers that gave COD poor reviews last time and see if things have changed. Its all common sense, use it. There will be plenty of reviews, you should be able to figure it out.

[youtube]QFvJdmUXlxU[/youtube]

The fact that YOU can't assign an incremental, smooth and functional zoom axis/button just shows how YOU are incompetent.

"Unplayable" for you... More nice gameplay, fun and SMOOTH ZOOM WITH JUST UP/DOWN HAT BUTTONS!!!

[youtube]lmsTFL0aGBI[/youtube]

:rolleyes:

I cant make smooth ZOOM change in my Saitek Profiler beacuse simply fact is that it doesnt have stupid mouse up and down function. I dont want to use any other joystick software to make it work. Im sure it would be easy to make it normal way by 1C like in other sims expecially such fuction exist in game just someone incompetency make it stupid way.

Other stupid thing for me is " loosen belts " which casue less head movement during G manouvers. Cant imagine that figher pilot during combat try to loseen belts for a second for better aiming then i a second make it tight to get better view. I wonder who got such stupid idea.

Still FM for planes is unfinished, poor high alts performacne, planes dont reach their maximum service celling and still bugs with Merlin engines ( RPMs jerrking at some alts, not historical power settings for Merlin XII).

Still planes visibility and dissapering at short disctance wasn't fixed.

Still online gameplay is not smooth, there are a lot of stutters ( beta RC 2 was more smooth for me)

Thats why i think 1C relased too quick final patch not fixing these things. I was really shocked that they relase such quick final patch after RC2. They just give up it too early and want we will wait year or two years for maby fixing these things.

It would be really better for 1C to safe some resources to fix most annoying bugs and things in CLOD before BOM realase.

Sry but im so dissapointment with still unfinished game and 1C decision to not make any patch before BOM :(

Iam using a X52 throttle with Saitek eve Force and simped pedals! I am incompetent. Pls tell how to adjust zoom!

How are you accomplishing the zoom?
I'm still looking for an axis and not buttons.
The only way I understand this can be done is with 3rd party software that allows you to assign buttons or axis control to the mouse axis. And it still requires a modifier button otherwise this would affect your mouse in the cockpit.

It's ridiculous to have to go through all this to get a basic command that all other flight sims have. It leaves me with no confidence in 1Cs ability to develop anything correctly since they can't get this right.

Very true. I really can't grasp, not at all, where this fantatic faith regarding BoM, and how it will fix everything, even be able to brew you an 1-A cup of coffee and give you a good massage in long transfer flights, is coming from...

If I had such great, believing disciples when implementing my plans to be the benevolent dictator of Europe, this will become a real cakewalk! :)

Losen belts is realy the worst idea ever and is claimed by me in bugtracker, which noone of the team is looking at,, i think. :(

That is alsi a big topic, that my whole old squadron claims and one of the biggest reasons, that we do not play clod anymore competitively against other squadrons. I know dozes over dozens of pilots, who do not play clod under these circumstances. That is poor!! :)

how do you have those damage decals on? from my understanding there off...not working..

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Originally posted by Chivas: _

There is no chance there will be a demo. They don't have the time or money to produce one. Like I said in many previous posts, you will have to make a decision based on reviews you trust.
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Sorry Chivas I don't agree with you, they will have to do something to win back the trust and a time limited demo (or an open beta) would be the way to go. Microsoft has time limited betas for some software so where is the problem.
You have also stated that we should go on reviews by those that we trust with the sequel, who do we trust?. A lot of those posting in the forums could be classed as "fan boys", I certainly wouldn't trust their opinions. After seeing how the supporters of the Il2 series have been hung out to dry with the C.o.D. I certainly won't trust the developers with the sequel without proof, their specs will no longer mean anything to those who have waited 18 months only to be told that C.o.D. is finished.

To the developers: -

SHOW US THE PROOF
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Posted by Chivas: -

Microsoft can afford to have all the demos it would like. The new IL-2 developement has neither the time or the money to waste on a Demo. I didn't say to trust fanboy reviews, I said find one you could trust, maybe check out the reviewers that gave COD poor reviews last time and see if things have changed. Its all common sense, use it. There will be plenty of reviews, you should be able to figure it out.
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I don't think that the new Il2 development can afford not to, at least it would give the team a wider base to find the faults before releasing the sequel to the public.
Give us an open beta or a playable time limited demo, either will be better than nothing. What do you have against that type of system apart from cost to the team? (it may end up being more benificial than not).
Is it that your'e worried that the result would mean the demise of the current Il2 series? or that too many faults would be found delaying further the release of the sequel.
Better to find most of the problems before another disaster hits, it would also get the community involved and supportive of the sequels (don't think that there won't be problems with the sequel, after 18 months of development with C.o.D. there are still problems that haven't been addressed).
With a new GUI and probably a revamped engine people will hold back and wait to see what has happened with the sequel, (not excactly what the developers and the investors would want) nobody in their right mind will jump in this time without some proof.

The reviewers that gave their opinions on C.o.D. certainly didn't find the problems that arose after release, certainly not things like CTD's, no dx9 support, no Sli/ Xfire support etc. The lack of dx9 support also ment no xp support (or problems with it). Now we have the problem of Windows 8. It is obvious from the lack of communication from the developers that we now have two sets of windows (xp and 8 ) that currently aren't considered worth the trouble.
Dear o dear how much worse can things get??.

I don't have anything against having a demo. It wouldn't bother me one way or the other. There will be more than enough info after release for me to make a valued decision either way. I'm just saying its highly unlikely the publishers will spend the time and money on a demo. The series is way too far in debt to even think about spending more unnecessary money, for something very few people will need, to make their decision.

Quite a strange opinion. People want to see a demo and you argue that "there is no money for an unnecessary demo"? If anything, then this argument puts people off in droves... I mean, MG may not want to put out a demo, sure, but they shouldn't use *THAT* argument; under no circumstances...

The people who will pay the biggest part of the developement are the wwii flight sim fans, which are in the majority have already made up their mind about buying or not, the few stragglers which are not wwii flight sim fans already, can easily be ignored as the resulting additional income wouldn't cover the costs for the demo.

In your opinion it may be strange, but I think you'd be in the minority. It would be nice if the development had the luxury of time and money to produce a demo, but thats highly unlikely. The development doesn't need to post any argument for or against a demo. Their much higher priority is developing a playable, and entertaining WW2 aircombat sim. Everything else will fall into place.

There is no need for a demo, most people will wait for the release and decide if to buy on reviews from trusted sources.

I will wait myself.

...and yes, what furbs says.
If ever.
I shall not forget those 18 months of misery, and being lied to, to the point of thinking "Man, they must have a good laugh right now...".
So BoM better be flawless, with some big, pleasant surprises (flawless as well, of course - you can never be sure with MG) thrown in.

Laughing, I don't think so. They are fighting to keep the jobs that feed their families. Eighteen months of misery, LMFAO.

There is no need for an demo of an simulation...point!

I have had no need for demo of Rise of Flight too.

keep dreaming amico mio ;)

I fear they have lost the fight.

Agreed..

I can not wait for BoM..

And I will not wait on it like I did CoD (more on this later)

I will pre-order BoM as soon as it is aval!

On that note, CoD was one of the 1st flight sims that I actually waited to buy!

Why?

Not because of anything 1C ever did, no..

The reason I waited to buy CoD was due to UBI and how they handled silent hunter 5..

My fear was UBI would have some say in how long 1C 'could' provide support of CoD

In that the support of Silent Hunter 5 was dropped very soon after release!

That is to say what some see as a negative, i.e. 1C supporting CoD for 18+ months is a positive in my book! In that the flip side of that coin is to do what the makers of Silent Hunter did! The true definition of take the money and run..

But I digress

About six months after CoD's release, I saw that UBI had no say let alone control over 1C's support of CoD, so I pulled the trigger and bought CoD!

At this point in time is CoD everything 'some' people 'dreamed' it would be?

Nope!

In that most things in life are never what people 'dream' they could or should be!

But is CoD a very playable and best BOB simulator to date?

Yup!

And this new flight sim engine develop by 1C is positioned to provide us more flight sim sequels in the near future! Just like the orginal IL-2 flight sim engine did!

All in all I am a very happy camper!

Than again my dreams are rooted in reality! ;)

:grin:

This thread is locked.

There is nothing more to be done with COD.

This type threads is a waste of words, if you have problems the only solution is to get onto technical threads and share. There are a myriad of problems that can be solved this way.

There are many types of systems with all types of anomalies, which others have experienced and they can usually help.

You might also try the search function on those sub-forums for answers.