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Anders_And 10-19-2012 10:20 AM

Help Cliffs of dover to get sales!
 
Now when we finally have a "stable and fisnished" official product its time for us to help Luthier and his team!

This thread at rise of flight inspired me, where the producer asks the community for help
http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewto...p?f=45&t=27106

So why dont we do the same for CLOD that we are so passionate about
http://www.amazon.com/IL-2-Sturmovik...liffs+of+dover

Help CLOD them with good reviews to get the average up!!

Borsch 10-19-2012 12:36 PM

That's a good idea actually, and worked nicely for RoF. Just like ROF, CLoD was murdered by reviews on Amazon after its release, but now its only fair to people who consider buying it, that they would know "CLoD is much improved" !

GraveyardJimmy 10-19-2012 01:06 PM

Does anyone else think maybe it would be good to either do a free weekend or give 3 day guest passes? RO2 did this to boost player numbers after a bad release. Once people see how much better it is now, especially online they might buy it, people could give them to squadmates who still play '46 etc.

ATAG_Dutch 10-19-2012 01:20 PM

Done.

Great idea Anders. ;)

Unfortunately it takes 48hrs for the reviews to be published though. :(

lokitexas 10-19-2012 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anders_And (Post 470823)
Now when we finally have a "stable and fisnished" official product its time for us to help Luthier and his team!

This thread at rise of flight inspired me, where the producer asks the community for help
http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewto...p?f=45&t=27106

So why dont we do the same for CLOD that we are so passionate about
http://www.amazon.com/IL-2-Sturmovik...liffs+of+dover

Help CLOD them with good reviews to get the average up!!

"Finished" and "completed" are different things. A race car can finish a 50 lap race in lap 3. That does not mean it completed the race.

The minority that think this game is top notch, does not, and will not, outweigh the majority that have already casted their views. It might have been possible a few weeks or months after release to make it right and get a re-review. Too long down that road, and in the end, Cliffs is still not "complete" enough to deserve a better score.

CWMV 10-19-2012 03:29 PM

An honest review of this game will not get anyone interested in it.

senseispcc 10-19-2012 03:53 PM

.
Speak with enthusiasm of this game to all around you even those how do not play games but could know someone that does!
:-P

Freycinet 10-19-2012 04:15 PM

I made all my movies also with the purpose of helping CoD through a rough patch. I don't know how many sales they generated, but a few for sure... And it was purely for egoistical reasons, in that sales = sequel which I really want!

SG1_Lud 10-19-2012 04:30 PM

I had to lie a little bit to give it 5 stars but we need to raise the average, which is unfair. ;)

Thanks for the idea Anders.

S!

DefiantMk1 10-19-2012 04:49 PM

ROF has moved on a long way too, for example it has an official dynamic campaign (still in beta and being worked on though) and an unofficial one, plus many more aeroplanes upcoming and even a new Channel map, which is a first for a WW1 sim I think, it is a whole different philosophy over on ROF. Indeed, most negative reviews nowadays stem from either someone buying it not knowing its a simulation, or because they have really terrible Internet connections and cannot download the updates.

CLod has been polished with the new update, but honestly the single player aspect is lacking and only seems to come to life with 3rd parties such as Desastersoft which really seem to show it off very well!

I am interested in what 1C's upcoming news, hopefully they haven't given up and will come out with new ideas on how to keep this franchise going strong into the future.

kestrel79 10-19-2012 04:58 PM

I posted about the patch over on the iRacing forums. There's a few flight simmers there who have already said they may purchase it/start playing again and give it a try.

lokitexas 10-19-2012 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SG1_Lud (Post 470990)
I had to lie a little bit to give it 5 stars but we need to raise the average, which is unfair. ;)

Thanks for the idea Anders.

S!

Yeah, lie about how this game is good. Thats pretty sad. Everytime I see things like this it makes me cringe. If the game was good to begin with, or after all the "work" was done to it, nobody would need to lie to other people. It should stand on its own merits. It doesnt.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DefiantMk1 (Post 471002)
ROF has moved on a long way too, for example it has an official dynamic campaign (still in beta and being worked on though) and an unofficial one, plus many more aeroplanes upcoming and even a new Channel map, which is a first for a WW1 sim I think, it is a whole different philosophy over on ROF. Indeed, most negative reviews nowadays stem from either someone buying it not knowing its a simulation, or because they have really terrible Internet connections and cannot download the updates.

CLod has been polished with the new update, but honestly the single player aspect is lacking and only seems to come to life with 3rd parties such as Desastersoft which really seem to show it off very well!

I am interested in what 1C's upcoming news, hopefully they haven't given up and will come out with new ideas on how to keep this franchise going strong into the future.

No, RoF does NOT have dynamic campaign. No, not even the "Beta" career is dynamic, nor is Pat Wilsons Campaign Genterator. Everytime people talk about adding one to RoF Jason gets all upset and closes the thread.

I dont see many more 3rd party campaigns coming for CLoD. The only glimpse of seeing good come from it, is if modders get ahold of it.

Anders_And 10-19-2012 09:00 PM

[QUOTE=lokitexas;471038]Yeah, lie about how this game is good. Thats pretty sad. Everytime I see things like this it makes me cringe. If the game was good to begin with, or after all the "work" was done to it, nobody would need to lie to other people. It should stand on its own merits. It doesnt.


Yes and if you want the team to have cash to give you BOM then this is one way... Or dont, but then dont complain if BOM doesnt deliver your expectations...

Its like those people who are too lazy to go and vote and then complain about the politics...

lokitexas 10-19-2012 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anders_And (Post 471132)

Yes and if you want the team to have cash to give you BOM then this is one way... Or dont, but then dont complain if BOM doesnt deliver your expectations...

Its like those people who are too lazy to go and vote and then complain about the politics...

So, again, lie about the game, and tell people its good? LOL. Pathetic.

CaptainDoggles 10-19-2012 09:11 PM

Yeah, I'm with lokitexas on this one.

People like you are the reason nobody takes reviews seriously. What you're doing is called "astroturfing" and it's essentially just false advertising.

My life will not be ruined if BOM bombs.

Anders_And 10-19-2012 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles (Post 471139)
Yeah, I'm with lokitexas on this one.

People like you are the reason nobody takes reviews seriously. What you're doing is called "astroturfing" and it's essentially just false advertising.

My life will not be ruined if BOM bombs.

Hahaha humour!!

Novotny 10-19-2012 11:38 PM

I'd recommend the game to anyone interested in flight sims as I think it's quite good.

But then, they're fully aware of it anyway. All 2 of them. And they have it already.

This game is not going to get better, nor sell any more copies other than a desultory few per month that might pay for the bandwidth you twats use up arguing with each other.

Look to Moscow - and when I say look to Moscow, I don't mean create endless threads about how you, a bus-driver from Luton, would/could have done it better.

Falstaff 10-20-2012 12:09 AM

Lokitexas

I dont generally like the +1 , but in this case....+1

Ben

Novotny 10-20-2012 12:11 AM

Again, no balls. Nothing to add. Just sniping like women. Usual banana stuff.

Anders_And 10-20-2012 02:43 AM

While you guys sit at home and cry and whine we go out and tell the world that CLOD has got better and is now recommendable and maybe, jut maybe it can help the developers and give them that extra buck that they need to make BOM a great sim from the start... Just a thought....

CWMV 10-20-2012 03:47 AM

So you lie in hopes that people will spend their money on a bugged game in hopes that that money will be spent on fixing the next iteration?
Sounds like your trying to get people to spend their money for personal gratification. That kinda sucks.

priller26 10-20-2012 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anders_And (Post 470823)
Now when we finally have a "stable and fisnished" official product its time for us to help Luthier and his team!

This thread at rise of flight inspired me, where the producer asks the community for help
http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewto...p?f=45&t=27106

So why dont we do the same for CLOD that we are so passionate about
http://www.amazon.com/IL-2-Sturmovik...liffs+of+dover

Help CLOD them with good reviews to get the average up!!

It may be stable and finished for you, and if it is, Im very glad. But, for a number of us, serious graphical issues remain, which prevent many from calling it a finished product. Unfortunately the last two RCs and the patch created graphical issues which did not previously exist, and remain disappointing. My good friend wanted to buy this game, but he is just as capable as I in reading the forums and has decided against it. Prior to the last two RCs, I recommended the game to him, and was of the opinion the game would be finished and polished. It's just not so.

theOden 10-20-2012 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anders_And (Post 471239)
While you guys sit at home and cry and whine we go out and tell the world that CLOD has got better and is now recommendable and maybe, jut maybe it can help the developers and give them that extra buck that they need to make BOM a great sim from the start... Just a thought....

You really think money is the issue, don't you?

r0bc 10-20-2012 05:49 AM

Create a great product...it'll sell. Developers know it.

Codex 10-20-2012 07:34 AM

[QUOTE=Anders_And;471132]
Quote:

Originally Posted by lokitexas (Post 471038)
Yeah, lie about how this game is good. Thats pretty sad. Everytime I see things like this it makes me cringe. If the game was good to begin with, or after all the "work" was done to it, nobody would need to lie to other people. It should stand on its own merits. It doesnt.


Yes and if you want the team to have cash to give you BOM then this is one way... Or dont, but then dont complain if BOM doesnt deliver your expectations...

Its like those people who are too lazy to go and vote and then complain about the politics...

The BoM team have already had their funds allocated. The only thing that buying CoD would do now is line the coffers of 1C / Ubi of which they would most likely direct the funds to other things.

I'm not saying buying CoD would be bad, but it's very unlikely to directly help the team. CoD is now a finished product, maybe not what we want it to be, but it's done.

He111 10-20-2012 07:37 AM

"Quality" will always attract .. even if it takes time to get there! :grin:

CA just released their latest video of Total War Rome2 showing the siege of Carthage (3rd Punic war) and it's a jaw-dropper. i can see gamers upgradng their computers just to play it ... CLOD / BOM could be the same !

i've already mentioned CLOD in a few forums, showing quality destruction models. I'll wait for BOM to see if it's worth the effort to pump.

.

Codex 10-20-2012 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by He111 (Post 471277)
"Quality" will always attract .. even if it takes time to get there! :grin:
.... I'll wait for BOM to see if it's worth the effort to pump.

+1

The last patch has shown that there is quality there, but it's just not a finished product. So I'm putting CoD down to an experience. Not nessaserily a bad one either.

The dev team and Illya know full well that the majority of us will be hesitant about jumping in on reputation alone after this. I just hope there will be a collector's edition left over if I decide to buy it ;)

regen70 10-20-2012 08:07 AM

CloD has just received a positive 'revisited' review in PC Pilot which should help

Warhound 10-20-2012 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by regen70 (Post 471287)
CloD has just received a positive 'revisited' review in PC Pilot which should help

Trying to get the game some renewed attention on sim-oriented websites is probably more effective than trying to skew the reviews on Amazon.
So I'm glad PC Pilot took the effort and came back with a positive view. Certainly won't hurt to write to our favorite sim-sites and ask them to give this final CLOD patch a fresh chance.

I tried to do my part by mailing RockPaperShotgun about the new patch and asking if they might consider giving it some coverage in their Friday Sim section.
The response was certainly worth the 2 minutes I spent writing them, now we just need to hope he doesn't want to burn CLOD in a bonfire anymore and ends up writing something positive this time round. =)


Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Stone
TO:
*************
Message flagged Friday, October 19, 2012 10:31 PM
Thanks *****. An excellent suggestion. It might not be for a week or two, but I'll definitely be revisiting CLOD at some point in the coming month.

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:16 AM, <**********> wrote:
Hi, first of all sorry to bother you but I wanted to ask if you have considered giving Cliffs Of Dover a quick go over on "The Flare Path" now it has recieved it's final patch?
It has improved a good bit since it's initial release and buggy early patches. And even though the offline play is still severely lacking, the online play is now really enjoyable with up to 89 players on a server at once(without horrid lag for once).
Maybe you have some time in the next few weeks and could include a short bit about this patch and how online play feels now on a full server with voicecoms.

Patchnotes : http://store.steampowered.com/news/9130/

A full-switch server that handles massive online battles smoothly can be found here : http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/content.php


Thanks for reading this, from a RPS/Flare Path and sim fan
*****.


Trumper 10-20-2012 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anders_And (Post 470823)
Now when we finally have a "stable and fisnished" official product its time for us to help Luthier and his team!

This thread at rise of flight inspired me, where the producer asks the community for help
http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewto...p?f=45&t=27106

So why dont we do the same for CLOD that we are so passionate about
http://www.amazon.com/IL-2-Sturmovik...liffs+of+dover



Help CLOD them with good reviews to get the average up!!

I wouldn't buy a car off you anymore than Arthur Daley
http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p...oby/images.jpg
Bloody criminal conning people out of their money

Gabelschwanz Teufel 10-20-2012 06:06 PM

Hell no. Spreading BS to hedge a bet on something two years out? Not likely.


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