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furbs 10-01-2012 10:18 AM

Drawing a line under COD, clean start?
 
With Luthier's honest answers its seems that a line is being drawn under COD.
Maybe we all should too?

COD showed some sparks of greatness, we all could see them, but its never going to be what we wanted, it just cant be done.

I hope with COD, they have learned alot of lessons of what needs to be done from the release and what this community wants from the next sim.

Im going to draw a line under COD and with what ive posted here.
From now on im going to start a clean slate with what happens with the development of BOM.

More importantly everyone ive bickered with or had crossed words with on this forum gets a clean start with me too.

jimbop 10-01-2012 10:27 AM

Good for you furbs, I'm fully with you. No argument that CoD was a disaster but even so has flashes of brilliance. We ALL want the sequel to work so let's support it.

Come on Tree, time to move on? You surely have all the admission you need that CoD was a basket case so what good will it do from now on?

JG52Krupi 10-01-2012 10:30 AM

I am willing too Furbs, I had fun with you on Tree on cliffs and red orchestra 2 :D a small disagreement blown way out of all proportion :(

Offers hand...

P.S. I bet the mods are holding there breath right now ;)

planespotter 10-01-2012 10:50 AM

Funny but despite sll the flaws I have got my money worth so I am disappointed this is 'as good asnwill ever get' but is still ok and if people like desastersoft or others keep adding good content I will jump for it.

jimbop 10-01-2012 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi (Post 465770)
P.S. I bet the mods are holding there breath right now ;)

Lol, no doubt about it!

adonys 10-01-2012 11:49 AM

I'll still be here, no matter if the BoM will, most probably, crash and burn, because as long as there's hope, there's also a future!

Flanker35M 10-01-2012 12:22 PM

S!

WYSIWYG ;) Battle for Stalingrad is my bet as the pics on Sukhoi.ru showed that river bend was from Stalingrad. Also Bf109F-4 and La-5 Early would indicate this...Will get it for sure.

JG52Krupi 10-01-2012 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flanker35M (Post 465787)
S!

WYSIWYG ;) Battle for Stalingrad is my bet as the pics on Sukhoi.ru showed that river bend was from Stalingrad. Also Bf109F-4 and La-5 Early would indicate this...Will get it for sure.

What is missing from the two pics below...

http://airwarfare.com/sow/images/ori...ed924df8dc.jpg

http://airwarfare.com/sow/images/ori...a010eac6ea.jpg

http://www.antisocialmediallc.com/wp...Down-Arrow.png

http://www.warbirdphotographs.com/LCBW4/FW190-36.jpg

This (awesome) song is so fitting... :( well at least the first part :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyjV9hDNRvQ

Feathered_IV 10-01-2012 12:39 PM

Well said Furbs. Todays news really brought it home to me that this is as good as it will ever get. That being said, I think it would be for the best if we all try to move on together. We're on our own now after all and can't expect any help from the devs. I think it's time to start looking to the community itself. To the modders.

Pudfark 10-01-2012 01:26 PM

I'm with Furbs and Feathered_IV.
However, comms must remain at the current level or improve.

No more raspberries or banjo music.
Thanx for the second post Luthier.

Feathered_IV 10-01-2012 01:33 PM

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ATAG_Dutch 10-01-2012 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbop (Post 465769)
CoD was a disaster but even so has flashes of brilliance.

I'd say the other way around. Brilliant with flashes of disaster. As soon as you spawn in the cockpit, it's 100 times more 'real' than IL2, even without decent clouds.

The current 'disaster' for me is the fuel mixture modelling for the RAF 100oct models, but fingers crossed this'll be fixed for the retail patch.

But Furbsy is quite correct. The time for bitching is over. We've all done a bit, time to move on.

And if the sequel turns out to be a 'Forgotten Battles Revisited' in all respects, we'll have no cause for complaint. But I bet some people do. :)

Tree_UK 10-01-2012 01:57 PM

I agree to draw a line under it also, I promise not to comment on CLOD again.

Luthier I will consider this a fresh start with you too, you are now completely responsible for BOM, so please no more lies and no more pulling the wool over our eyes, lets start afresh.

MadTommy 10-01-2012 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tree_UK (Post 465809)
I agree to draw a line under it also, I promise not to comment on CLOD again.

Luthier I will consider this a fresh start with you too, you are now completely responsible for BOM, so please no more lies and no more pulling the wool over our eyes, lets start afresh.

LOL ;)

That line was broken faster that a speeding bullet.

Apart from the above i agree with the sentiments posted here.. the bitching and squabbling has been both amusing, infuriating & very childish. Be great if all can move on and stop jabbing each other in the ribs at every given opportunity. Myself included.

BH_woodstock 10-01-2012 02:25 PM

Well if this is it then we "should" be getting the tools that Oleg had promised so the modders can have fun with it.There is a thread somewhere with him stating he would do this for us and the community.I have searched for it but cannot find it.maybe it was in an interview? I dont remember.If someone here has it please remind Luthier if needed.

I would not be surprised if the modders do something special with Dover.I have seen some brilliant things and have high hopes. :grin:

bisher 10-01-2012 03:03 PM

lol ya that was quick Tree

kendo65 10-01-2012 04:06 PM

Would be very positive if this happens. Count me in.

Pudfark 10-01-2012 05:13 PM

I'm glad that the "former whiners", of which, I was one, have taken this approach. The Maturity shows well.

Part of the misunderstanding, IMHO, was mixing COD facts with BOM speculation. Should have been and should start now, with a separate
BOM Forum. It's a gentle suggestion. Hopefully, considered and taken.

GraveyardJimmy 10-01-2012 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudfark (Post 465861)

Part of the misunderstanding, IMHO, was mixing COD facts with BOM speculation. Should have been and should start now, with a separate
BOM Forum. It's a gentle suggestion. Hopefully, considered and taken.

BoM hasn't been fully announced yet (officially). I think the forums will come when it is.

icarus 10-01-2012 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kendo65 (Post 465838)
Would be very positive if this happens. Count me in.

+1

Tree_UK 10-01-2012 06:20 PM

Just for the record, I am not trying to be smart with my post or pull a fast snipe, Luthier has said in his questions and answers that he inherited a lot of the problems with CLOD and reading between the lines it seems his hands were tied, I accept that, and now hope that the development of BOM will be smoother and what we see pre release is what we will get. I have had my say in the past and I have been very vocal about my feelings towards the project before and after release.There is no more anybody can do or say to push CLOD any further it is what it is, and like Furby has stated its time to draw a line under it. I hope that makes sense.

Furthermore I would like to thank the moderators over the past few weeks for letting people vent and let off some steam, I think they have shown great restraint not least with myself.

S! Tree

JG52Uther 10-01-2012 07:35 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/JG52Uther/ok.jpgBe nice to each other please :)

Mysticpuma 10-01-2012 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JG52Uther (Post 465913)

That is the most appropriate image and reply I think I have seen! Well found Uther ;)

mazex 10-01-2012 08:18 PM

Good initiative Furbs. Let's give them a fair chance to get their act together in the sequel. One thing is certain, it will never be the disaster version 1.0 of CloD was ;)

/mazex

hc_wolf 10-01-2012 11:36 PM

So long!!
 
Your right Furbs, Time to draw a line.
The "whiners", can have their day. Unlike 1c I don't have to meet a budget and so don't have to put up with the "whiners". It's best just to walk away.
I am going to spend my time flying rather than mission building and creating an environment for peopel to complain about. They can play their vanilla game from now on.

This is my last post on here apart from bug issues. I may view this forum from time to time, but I will no longer post on this forum. I support 1c and their game and am full of hope that it keeps getting better. I have taken down my missions and they will not be available, they are not suitable for play.

As they say " Draw a line and move on".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojydNb3Lrrs

whatnot 10-02-2012 05:44 AM

Awww! Never thought I'd see this thread in the banana forums with such consensus behind it!

Didn't complain / felt betrayed much myself as I feel I got my moneys worth several times over even if there were quite a few gaping holes is CoD. So yes, I wholeheartedly agree and think this'll make the forums a better place.

:grin:

wannabetheace 10-02-2012 08:08 AM

I had no doubt about me buying next sequels whatever the condition of clod be.
I would give my money just to fly over Moscow Kremlin Red square :cool:

Ze-Jamz 10-02-2012 09:27 AM

Nice thread... I'm easy with the game, runs fine and looks good enough for me which in turn racks up my hours of playing it..

I had my collectors edirion s worth of money a long long time ago....I've spent 4 times that on a **** meal that indeed turned into that once I got home on the throne..

Bring on the sequel and me f4!

Peace

MB_Avro_UK 10-03-2012 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz (Post 466107)
Nice thread... I'm easy with the game, runs fine and looks good enough for me which in turn racks up my hours of playing it..

I had my collectors edirion s worth of money a long long time ago....I've spent 4 times that on a **** meal that indeed turned into that once I got home on the throne..

Bring on the sequel and me f4!

Peace

+1

Your comment puts things into perspective.

planespotter 10-03-2012 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz (Post 466107)
Nice thread... I'm easy with the game, runs fine and looks good enough for me which in turn racks up my hours of playing it..

I had my collectors edirion s worth of money a long long time ago....I've spent 4 times that on a **** meal that indeed turned into that once I got home on the throne..

Bring on the sequel and me f4!

Peace

Yes! You put in a good perspective!

TonyD 10-04-2012 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz (Post 466107)
Nice thread... I'm easy with the game, runs fine and looks good enough for me which in turn racks up my hours of playing it..

I had my collectors edirion s worth of money a long long time ago....I've spent 4 times that on a **** meal that indeed turned into that once I got home on the throne..

Bring on the sequel and me f4!

Peace

Have to agree with this sentiment.

SG1_Lud 10-04-2012 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by furbs (Post 465763)
With Luthier's honest answers its seems that a line is being drawn under COD.
Maybe we all should too?

COD showed some sparks of greatness, we all could see them, but its never going to be what we wanted, it just cant be done.

I hope with COD, they have learned alot of lessons of what needs to be done from the release and what this community wants from the next sim.

Im going to draw a line under COD and with what ive posted here.
From now on im going to start a clean slate with what happens with the development of BOM.

More importantly everyone ive bickered with or had crossed words with on this forum gets a clean start with me too.

Great initiative!

Deal done, mate.

S!

hiro 10-05-2012 04:58 AM

Yeah time to let things go,

It sucked the game was released as it was. But I was confident they'd fix it to a 1946 level, but I was mad that its (Clod) the last patch and IMO I wish they'd keep plugging along to update it. However the devs did give their reasoning and its fair.



Yeah so its a new slate from here on out . . .




The sequel brings a lot of hope, after all it contains the IL-2, new stuff / features, and a working (hopefully) game engine, and possibly a/c like the p-40, early yaks, migs, the I-16 etc. I can't wait for the I-16, that little tough plane was great for griefing if one flew it correctly.





But it isn't the final goodbye for CloD.

Q
I know you stated the next CloD patch will be the last, so that means any fixes, advances and such into the game engine that come from the sequel will not be translated at some time or another back into CloD? Will Clod be completely abandoned in whatever state the final patch leaves it with no hope small updates, etc?


A
Why would you think that? We’ve never done that before, and I’ve always stated that our plans remain the same. There were many issues in the original IL-2 in 2001. After a few updates to the original, Forgotten Battles was released and there were no more updates to the original Il-2. That doesn’t mean it was abandoned however! You can still play all of the original Il-2 content with 1946, all carried over and updated with the rest of the engine.


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