Thoughts about Friday's update
 

Their line of thinking is all wrong.

"Unfortunately, as all businesses we have goals, budgets, profits, losses, expenses, and wages. We have milestones to meet with our future products, and we just cannot miss those."

"Most of you have probably guessed that Cliffs of Dover was not exactly the most profitable project in the world, and for at least the past year supporting it did nothing for the bottom line but put it deeper into the red."

They're acting like they can't make money off Cliffs of Dover anymore. This is ridiculous. It's not like the market is "tapped out"... As a matter of fact, the fastest way for them to make money is to fix Cliffs of Dover so more people buy it. Some advertising would help too. The money they're spending on developing the sequel should be used to advertise Cliffs of Dover. All company personnel should be working on making Cliffs of Dover a game that people are forced to buy because it's awesome. I don't want to hear crap about how the flight sim market is small, not many people are into these types of game... The sales will never be spectacular. Well, make a damn game that increases the simmer base, give newcomers motivation to overcome the learning curve required to enjoy the game. You just need an awesome game.

They're going to make this sequel, and it's not going to be much better then COD is now. Mark my words. They're going to keep releasing half finished products for spurts of money to keep afloat. I think they're only half serious about these games.

EJ

surely more people would buy it, but the reviews are already there and they will not change.

no matter how they fix it is already kicked in the ground by the critics.. obiously that someone reaaaly interested can find out the real state, but i think that the average guy goggles a couple of critics of the famous review sites and is guided by that.

instead if they can realease something new much more polished maybe they can won favorable critics and the average guy that dont spend much time reading forums can be more interested.

my opinion

Were in a massive global recession... Lots of companies going pop right now.

Basically, one beta patch fro clod, one official, sequal will decide if it lives or dies... and the people saying they wont buy it will likely be the deciding factor...

So its a choice between losing the price of one game or not having an IL2 future...

Simple as that from where Im looking.

You've missed the point!
The money supply dictates the process.

The conditions attached to this venture have dictated the process for reasons you and I and others can only conjecture.

No money - no sim period regardless of market analysis and opportunities perceived.

Wishful thinking....

1. The Simmer-Community already knows about the game and many have bought it. So you wouldn´t win a lot of customers extra with a fixed game in the Simmer-Community. Additionally you also can win these customers with a perfectly working BOM which will include CloD as it seems.

2. Advertising costs (a lot btw). And...

3. be sure it is easier to advertise a brandnew Product (sequel) than a broken one of which tons of negative Feedback on the Internet already exists.

So I see no reason to try to push it to a fixed CloD instead of a working BoM because all you can have trough a fixed CloD you can also have with a BoM that works well. (plus you have time to develop new things as you don´t loose time with fixing which means you can deliver new content).

Simple as that.

A perfectly working COD would turn alot of head and create free advertising on it's own. A perfectly working BOM is wishful thinking considering their track record.

Does everybody really want to be conned into spending another 60$ on a bug ridden, half finished game? They HAVE to fix COD, otherwise no one will buy the sequel.

Simple as that

Well, a free demo will convinces everyone, be sure. A demo is advertising for itself as well...

And yes, I plan to invest another 60 bucks. The time I spent on this forum alone excedes hobby-investments I paid more for and spent way less time with it!;)
If you think like that, you get a lot for 60 bucks!

And PS: If you think you will spend those 60 bucks for another unfinished game it must mean you don´t think they will manage it to get it right in this time... If so, why do you believe they can fix CloD?

product lifespan is short, a failed product is a dead product

No given there track record I.E. Forgotten Battles the sequel will hopefully have a good start.

Well, the situation is pretty much like what happened to Total War series. Empire Total war was one of the most anticipated games of the year, reviewers gave it very high scores, but when gamers actually got their hand on it, they got massively disappointed due to bugs and gameplay issues. CA released some patches which did virtually nothing, then drop the game altogether. They turned to the sequel, Napoleon Total war, which was nothing but a polished version of ETW with new units. Fortunately, this time they did it right as most bugs of ETW were squashed. New game in the series, Shogun 2, won back the love of fans, and now they (me included) are so excited about the new project: Rome 2.

Just an example to say that: sometimes it is better to leave the past behind and start everything from scratch. Surely CloD does not live up to its expectations, but the game does show its potentials. I hope that BOM will be a much better product. But of course I agree with you at one point: if BOM stays broken as its ill-fated prequel, the series is pretty much dead.

Great example :D

Took them 6! years to MISS the first one....i think that says enough?

How on earth could they get any more money out of a fully fixed CloD if it allready costs only 5€/$ on sales :confused: just wishful thinking gents

I don't share your optimism Krupi. I suspect BOM will just be COD with some bug fixes, different planes, plus you can jump into a tank or AA gun (whoopdidoo!). No real gameplay objectives or immersion. I'm not even confident whether ther'll be a proper campaigning system to replace the horrible collection of linear simple missions we got with COD. Time will tell, but I for one, won't be rushing out to buy BOM.

Well, the engine has its potential for gameplay, as Desastersoft or ATAG shows...

Maybe something like this?

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...FFIYHhgs6nLQhw

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2.../s0-d/Main.jpg

I hope that this online war will be ready soon )

Awesome thanks for sharing Vranac :D

Yes. Thankyou vranac, I was unaware of is project.

This looks good. Like an old Capture the City version I was working on. I abandoned the project when I learend how bad the online code was and you could not have AI ground unis spawn and head for the front lines for dynamic battles because the ONLINE code could not handle the following at the same time;
30+ moving ground units (and this is small)
30+ Human fighters / bombers (cause if this is popular you would have 50+)
20+ AI fighters/bombers
1600+ AA guns
100 - 2000 Ground objects (Unless you have proceedual ground object imports, but you can't include Buildings cause they do not import with sub missions) see the error there...

And the above is just the minimum you need for a game that feels alive.

When the MP Online code is fixed. Graphics fixed etc.. and the game can handle 120+ moving objects (with no ghosts) + 2-3000 objects and 40+ players then we can release games with this greatness. I wish you well there are a couple of these type missions on hold :)

I would love this as an ongoing weeks+ long mission. Are you using the "FOOD" as health / supply which is embedded in the 1c code?

It makes absolutely no sense to continue work exclusively on COD. They've already received most of the money they are ever going to get from that product and past reviews will haunt it.

This is the beauty of the Sequel system, you can start almost fresh with new reviews of the next Sequel. The beta version of COD was released with an unfinished buggy game engine, which is not surprising as most betas are unfinished ;). They've had two years to rewrite the graphic code that should make COD playable on peoples systems, but the gameplay and bugs still need alot of work. We will have to see how many bugs and other issues are left after the RC patch for COD, but I'm sure there will still be issues.

The release of stability/performance RC patch for COD will free up the lead programmer to do further finetuning on the game engine. The developers have said the Sequel won't reach Alpha stage until 2013, this will give them another year or two to concentrate on issues other than the games performance and stability, which should see fixes in the game engine, features, and bugs. The sales, reviews of the Sequel, and the developments future depend on it being relatively good.

A fixed game engine will remove most of the issues COD had, and should make the Sequel far more successful, with the corresponding good reviews that should make most everyone move on from the disaster of the COD.

In the next year or two before the Sequels release, how much the standalone COD will improved is anyones guess, We will most likely have to buy the Sequel to see some of the improvements to COD. Yes people have suggested they'll never buy another game from the developer, but most will, unless there are no improvements, or there is a better WW2 aircombat sim on the market. The only WW2 sim coming soon is WT, but I'm still not sure it will be good enough to drag many people away from the IL-2 franchise. Time will tell. Hopefully they will be successful, and people will have both sims on their hard drives.

I don't want to join the choirs of nay- or yay-sayers. I merely want to remark on a few things I've read here.

1.) Maddox Games today is not the Maddox Games which produced the original Il-2 line. It's a new team which has yet to prove it's up to the task.

2.) Expecting them to fix CloD on the nebulous premise of gaining more buyers for CloD is ignoring the realities of the market. IIRC a game that earns its RoI in the first week (or few weeks) or it doesn't, anything after is merely nice to have but will not turn the fortunes. The bosses of 1C know this logic and the business issues are what drives their decisions.

3.) Reputation-wise CloD is already dead. It's gotten so many deserved bad reviews that turning around the trend is not possible.

+1

That is amazing, thanks!

I couldn't agree more!

What are good "new buyers" if they lose half of their current community because they released Clod too early to bad reviews, and have yet to patch the game to a suitable level in over a year, not to mention the lack of communication. All business depend on two types of customer, the new and the current, and word of mouth is the oldest but still most valid form of advertisement.
Now if the current customers are upset over a faulty product it doesn't take long for word to get around that a company should be avoided like the plague, especially on the internet, and even if their next product is the best thing on the planet there are going to be many that think "once bitten, twice shy"
Its about track record.

Agree totally, however I want what I paid for, as do most of us here, not for it to be abandoned in favour of BoM. I spent 2 years flying the Eastern Front in the original IL2 over ten years ago before FB, ACES, PF & 1946 expanded the theater, so when the "award winning IL2 team" announced Clod I bought it because it was relevant to me being English, allowing me to finally experience flying my own theater.

If they do what Luthier said in the update and merge BoM with Clod, and integrate & improve it equally along with the other theaters, I will obviously wait for reviews before buying it, and if its up to standard I will buy it and enjoy flying both fronts.
But however they do it, they need to do right by their customers and keep clod alive with the sequels, if not, I for one will be gone.

It's frustrating to see a game with so much potential lost & a community in such turmoil.

I was merely arguing against the misguided idea that "fixing CloD" would produce new buyers in a way that 1C (the mother corporation) would notice.
As for the rest: You are correct on reputation and all that. However, those at 1C (not at Maddox Games but above them) don't care. Either a design studio produces revenue or they'll be "restructured", reassigned to a potentially more profitable project or simply closed. The guys at Maddox Games would surely like to fix the mess (who likes leaving behind something that isn't up to specs?), but those who pay MG's wages don't think along these lines. For them it's merely $$$-€€€-£££, plain old money.

...Really just seems more and more to me that we're being strung along until the bubble pops altogether.

Like many, I pre-ordered Clod to show support for the series, and 18 months later, after so much drama in the interim, this title is still half broken.

I can appreciate that the development team has been put in a difficult position and has probably been between a rock (IC Company) and a hard place (we the consumers) since the start, but at the end of the day, we have not got the product we paid for, end of story.

The tentative promise of further patches, provided we buy the next game, does not sit at all well with me. Isn't this promise of 'better' and 'fixes' been something we have put up with for 18 months already? And to be honest, what do we really have to show for it?

So forgive me please if I don't buy into further promises of patches and fixes hook, line and sinker. Those days are over, sorry to say, as are the days of me buying a product with 'IL-2' adorning the cover and expecting a classy, quality game. Those days are also over.

Now, everything that's said and promised is going to be met with a healthy dose of skepticism, and I certainly will not be buying anything this team puts out until I know for a fact that it's 100%.

Once bitten, twice shy and all that.

+1

Hope that Luthier will read your posting and the all thread.

+1

I also agree with Rattlehead on this I will never again buy anything this crowd,releases either.

Regarding Luthiers message.......well,too little,too late,what a joke,the pr on this sim has been nothing but scant at best and again all these months later it would appear the only way they got this thing to stop the CTD's was too dumb everything down.

I think for me,the worst of it all,are the shite FM's,they are really crap,laughable.After all the work the members of this community put in,in handing 1C on a platter superb FM data,really precise,collated work,and you think too yourself......hang on,they have'nt even had the courtesy to even look at the damn stuff.

This was so evident in from the poor patches we received whenever they felt the urge to give us something in the way of a fix.

The writing was on the wall,there was enough guys on here sending in crash logs,faults and other problems with the thing,I'm sure we won't be the only ones who lost faith in this lot over the months since it's release.Good luck 1C.

Very strange
 

Very strange indeed.
Everyone seems to forget the origonal IL2 ????
A great sucsess story and only got better and better,near flawless at the end.
C,mon guys Give them a chance,if like Pacific fighters,1946 it can only get better.
Why is everyone sounding like there writeing off this franchise ???:???:
Dosnt work well for there moral and woirking to finish this and everyone writing this off will only guarantee it fails Sheeesh!
I for one will be buying as appart from the radio commands not working im quite happy with there product.
Do,nt worry I dont have shares in this company lol.
Just i belive from past efforts they will get there.:rolleyes:

Well I still think they could turn it around, If i thought for a minute my job was on the line I would be coming in at the weekends and offering my services for free to fix it, I'm sure the many multi skilled modders on here would lend a hand if only the Dev's could humble themselves enough to ask for help.

Well said. And to highlight the disregard the publishers (Ubisoft) have for their customers, the official game website ( http://il2sturmovik.ubi.com/cliffs-o...ome/index.aspx ) STILL (after 18 months) contains false & misleading claims about the game. eg. "Join a 128-player jump-in/jump-out multiplayer mode where battles can last hours, days or even weeks." => not possible with the porked net code. Advanced physics – wind, lift, turbulences, rain, fog… => No working weather, no fog (never has been) & no rain (never has been). Hell, even B6 said that the weather was "not a supported feature" in the game. In most countries it's illegal to advertise product features that you know are not true.

so? sue them, and force them to make the code GPL to settle the class suit process.

then we can do it by ourselves :)

I believe Luthier have no choice other than to follow the plan he has laid out. He does after all not pay his own wages. Whether this will be the right plan remains to be seen. I'm reserving any judgement until after the patch.

A lot rides on this final patch for COD, if it doesn't deliver were in for a long wait with half a game.
The problem is i dont think some of the more important fixes are even on the devs radar.

I hope net code is numeral uno

lies lies and more damned lies
 

...and this quote from that site really gets me ...

"For all of you encountering issues with the game, we strongly encourage you to visit 1C’s European forum, where Ilya is posting daily updates on the situation and useful tips to deal with perfomance issues..."


:evil:

No its not, its not even on the list until the sequel, unless i missed it.

There are plenty of Muscovites that hang on these boards...

Why don't you find out for yourself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWNGF1SkAAM

Friday again. Can't wait to read the great news about the patch. I am so excited

How do you know thats not happening?

I am positive about today, I think there will be some news. :-P

I doubt very much there will be an update. We are still waiting for the Q&A's, apparently there were a whopping 150 questions, however that was 168 hours ago giving Luthier 1 hour and 7 minutes and 2 seconds to answer each question. So I imagine the answers will be very detailed and long for each question. The downside to this is that it will take him another week to type the answers up in the forum. :confused:

MS Flight Simulator exists since 1982 and there are tons of 3rd party addons (payware and freeware) for all versions. Mostly wih prices far beyond 50 USD.

Why the hell ubisoft / 1c:maddox sit on their tiny bugged iL2COD?

Please open it for 3rd party software components and 3rd party developer.

The more you share the more you get ... ...

Varrattu

So when should he sleep and work on the game, run his crew and say hi to his wife? :rolleyes:

Answers seem to just show up one day, atleast I think that was the case with earlier questions asked.

Five minutes to midnight here. G'night all and good luck. ;)

He should not have released the game UNTIL it was in a working state ,then he could've and would've be doing all the things you listed.
To be honest he probably still is.

Yep, just hit midnight. Good night.

no more waiting for me......I'm stuck on Day Z...... :)

I dont know Farby, but last week was the first post Luthier had made in 5 months, so you are right he deserves a break.

1C/Maddox will garner more money for development by the financial backers than a few hundred or thousand added sales of CoD. The pocket books believe the development crew is able to right the ship or they wouldn't invest in the series. We, the buying public, are skeptical because of their track record, but if the financial backers believe in investing the money, I have to think/hope they will be able to release a product that will satisfy many of us.

It's understandable the disdain some cast toward CoD. The BoB was a huge swing point of WW2. There's a huge feeling of national pride by our British members, and having the sim faulter as bad as it did is a bitter pill. On a playing level, there were glaring errors which add to that frustration. Unless the group really are charlitans and have no personal pride in their work, I can't see any one releasing the game in the state it was released except that they were under the gun to release it. I don't believe Luthier et al are charlitans, and they do have a sense of personal pride. For what ever reasons (and they've been discussed ad nauseum) the game was sold in the state it was.

But production goes forward, and the backers believe in the developers. We can only hope they're right. I'll hedge my bet and watch with great interst, and a cautious eye. I think that's fair, and 1C knows it. They have an uphill battle to win back many flight simmers. I hope they pull it off. The backers think they can.

it is true it is a small market, but also a market of "older than average in videogames market" customers, and therefore with more money to spend (generally speaking).

We simmers are also loyal to a good product (sometimes even to a bad one).

I for one have bought every single item released for ROF and I hardly play it (I don´t want to calculate the total...)

I would rather pay for extra content if that means also extra support.

@B6, is there any way to support the company through donations????

I would be willing to do so if that means it helps.

This is a great example, it would be great if they manage to turn the table around with the sequel.

I would immediately (and I will) pay for the sequel, in order to see the progress done.
I know, some people in this forum would say I should not pay again for something that was supposed to have been fixed at first place (paying only once), I do not care about such comments, I am only interested in having the most advanced WW2 flight simulation and CoD is obviously the best platform with the biggest potential in the market today.

~S~

+1

+1

Pretty funny B6 Doesn't fly CLOD...opts instead for DCS and others

Guess he knows it sux...

IL2 1946 with HSFX is the best thing going for this ERA.

CLOD sadly is SOS...over and over

You realy have nothing better to do then spamming these TROLL posts?? get a life forgodsake

Completely agree.

Also agree with rga on his observations of Empire Total War ... You could have been talking about me mate! :grin: ...Empire was a massive disappointment and I never bought Napoleon...Shogun 2 won me back though and I am looking forward to Rome 2. Hopefully MG can do the same with customers they have lost.

I totally disagree with the Empire and Clod analogy.

From my enjoyment of the game, the huge amount of mods and the constant patches received, I think maybe your perception of the general success of the Empire vs Clod is a bit off.

Just go to TWCentre and see the difference in the communities and decide whether Empire was such a huge flop.

Obviously its a subjective call of course mate...but for me Empire was and is a complete load of rubbish. Despite all Cliff's problems I have gotten a whole lot more enjoyment from Cliffs than I ever did from Empire. Just my opinions of course. Really like Shogun2, Rome and Medieval 2 however.

Hi, 2 questions.

1) Was there an actual update this Friday jus gone or did I miss something?

2) was there any answers to the 150+ questions asked last week?

1) No
2) No

Good morning black six, will you have any news for us today?

Today is saturday, it's a weekend.

Yesterday was Friday...

Is Luthier going to answer the questions at some point in the near future?

When for heaven's sake will some of you finally learn that some kind of questions wont get answered?? NEVER!

Yes of course, it was just that I saw you had made a few posts and so I wondered if you may be going to have something.

Sorry to bother you.

We didn't promise to make update every Friday. About answers - when it's done.

I've to work with forums permanently.

Not against you B6, but this is unbelievable.

It feels sad to join the whiners but I have to agree... Just pick 10-15 questions and write a quick answer them to end this parody. No one expects an answer to every question...

I'm mostly hoping he at least reads all the questions. Maybe some of it will get through to him.

oh, the irony.. no matter how much good will I'm able to scrap for you guys, you will always find new and incredible ways to trash it all again and again and then again.

you're.. awesome !!!

Black Six, can you let Luthier know that 2 years ago only a small minority didn't believe everything that he told us, but through his efforts alone he has managed to completely turn this around, now only a very small minority have any faith in what he tells us, this is not a great business model, a mans word should mean something - sadly Luthiers words mean very little these days.

Hilarious!

MAC

I'm afraid they don't have the ability to fix the game. Just recall how effectively Oleg fixed things in Forgotten battles.

They didn't wrote the codes. That's why they aren't able to achieve that kind of efficiency.

I would suggest everybody go back to IL2, which has much more potential than CoD, at least for now.

Thanks blacksix. Was just not sure if I missed anything. Hope you are having a great weekend.

Tree I have never seen you on the servers. Do you even play the game. Your rants get old quick and i am pretty jack of seeing you post on this forum or anywhere else.

I think you should be thanking 1c for this game. It seems to have given you so much more than any other judging by your constant complaints.

Do you dare fly under your name Tree_UK online? if you ever get on a server playing my missions I have something special waiting for you in the code.

Hope to see you playing the game soon. .......

18 months later
 

Well, around 18 months have passed since first realease, and I'm still waiting for a decently playable game.

It's very nice all of this "beta patch" stuff, and the hope that some day we will have a decent game...
BUT, we are not beta testers. Beta testers GET paid, to test software.

Campaign is still broken.
Crashes a lot. (NO I'm not sending crash reports, because i'm not a beta tester)
Still a lot of freezes during gameplay, which totaly ruins the experience.

Damage models are still absolute crap. Sometimes you can unload all the worlds lead into the bombers engine and nothing happens. No smoke, nothing.

Today I crashed into a bombers tail. My airplane vaporised. And this is what happened to it's tail:
http://s16.postimage.org/gjunnb51h/crashed.png

That is Alpha bug.. not even beta.
Just give up, scrap the project and just make a new expansion to IL2 Sturmovik. (Or ask daidalos guys to do it)

Why? Missing features, bugs, and lack of communication, all over a years time and one should thank 1c for this mess? Are you high?

As much as you are sick of seeing negative posts, I am sick of seeing blind fan posts like yours. Looks like a 2-way street.

I've beta tested several products (RO2, WoT, ARMA 2 daily betas to name a few recent ones).

Still waiting on those cheques...

What? You couldn't have put this in any of the other whinefest topics? It's not like you said anything that's not been said before. You didn't even add a flair of originality. Shheeesh!


Honestly, if you feel they should give up, then maybe it's you that should step back for a while. 1C may or may not ever get it right, but they're not giving up.

Sorry. You hit a nerve, and I'm hornery today. ;)

Why do you want it to fail. Lets assume it did, what would you do then. Go somewhere else I would guess. Why not just say to yourself that this is a dead project and it has failed and then go somewhere else to start with? So you are finally a free man and you do not have to worry about this.

I think you're trying to start a new troll, which roused to fight. I think this is your real purpose of this thread. Hope it will be closed soon.

Yes I did fly, not single player but multi player and mainly on the ATAG server, I take my flying seriously and consider myself to be a good pilot having won online compitions in the past with the JG27 squad, I am much more into online wars and flying with squad mates rather than just flying on my own. I get completely put off by things that border on the ridiculous, I immerse myself into a game and then come across a floating ship or a Hurricane happily flying along with no tail section, these things to me ruin my experience and I find myself wanting to disconnect on landing rather than refly, the flight models also help with me wanting to give up. I'm happy that you have gone to a lot of trouble to do some kind of surprise for me should I ever pick up my joystick again, it always amazes me how offended some people get when none of my posts have ever been directed at them personally, I think this says more about your character than it does of mine.


Have a good day sir

S! Tree

Just like to point out the squad Tree UK refers to is JG27 not 5./JG27.

People often refer to us in error as JG27... ;)

Yes that is true, Im not aware of 5./JG27 winning any online comps in IL2FB anyway. But thanks for the clarification.

Actually Tree was a very good guy in JG27, any squad would be glad to have him, even 5./JG27.

Thanks Chivas, like I have said before although we disagree on many things regarding CLOD I still have ultimate respect for you, we had some tremendous pilots in JG27 and a great leader in Aristo, and when we were all on form we were has good as it gets IMHO. I do miss those days. :(

WHOOAAA hold the horses,Luthier said last Friday week he would be back in the evening to answer some more questions,this is getting beyond a joke.
OK,Question,if BOM is going to be completely finished,tested,working correctly before release what is making it impossible for Clod to work?

Aristo...

There is a name I have not heard in a long time. He would fly with the BlitzPigs on occasion. Always good to have him on comms with us.

He always tried to get me to come to the dark side.

:cool:

Clarification was for people who feel the need to "have suprises" waiting for people when they get on there servers... - I didnt know ATAG banned people or booby trapped there server because of what people said on 1c. :(

I understand the frustration dealing with the negativity on the forums can make you terse, and sarcastic, especially when the development made you the spokesperson, then told you not to say anything. lol, but lighten up a little. ;)

One thing you did say about not taking donations but may in the future concerned me. I know it must be hard keeping investors in this long drawn out battle, but that comment helps confirm it. Unfortunately speculation like mine is a fact of life no matter what you say or how you say it, it will be interpreted in a number of different ways, especially when there is a language conflict.

Anyway good luck with the project, hopefully the next patch will show everyone especially the investors that the sim is heading in the right direction.

Ah yes I see your point Farber, forgive me if you thought I was being terse. I dont fly with JG27 tags anymore so I cant imagine it being a problem with any of your guys if the server has been booby trapped purely for me.

Im still stunned he took the time to write a code to "suprise" you.

Well, There will be nothing till monday now at least. I really thought we would have had answers yesterday...

Maybe B6 SHOULD set out his frustrations but in the direction of Luthier who seems to be hanging him out to dry.

Unlike the Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday we just had in-between the last weekend?

The real problem here is that every time we feel like a step is going to be made forwards, somehow Luthier manages to create an "Event Horizon" and the no-one knows just what is going to happen (apart from him of-course).

Currently this is the community:

http://pram.jiscinvolve.org/wp/files/2010/09/more.jpg

"Please can we have some more.....information!"

and once more we get:

http://swervechurch.files.wordpress....ead-crumbs.jpg

Ehemm... No offense Zanzark but this game has the best damage model I have ever seen (and I have been flying flight sims for 29 years).
http://grathos.de/temp/CoD/WellingtonBurningSmall.JPG

Oh yes, this simulation surely does not have the best crash model I have seen for the past 29years... :D


~S~

+1

Seriously the concept of public relation here is shocking.

"They're going to make this sequel, and it's not going to be much better then COD is now. Mark my words. They're going to keep releasing half finished products for spurts of money to keep afloat. I think they're only half serious about these games."

If they're thinking of using the current game engine (which is still pretty much porked I think) for the sequel, they won't stand a chance. It's still falls short of anything else on the market for flight sims today.

If they manage to greatly improve the game engine, vastly improve the AI, sounds and AI commands, they may have a chance. If not, they're doomed. They simply cannot release BoM or anything else with the current game code.

Rgs,
FP

Its probably just some type of herbicide or defoliant laced cloud...avoid the clouds!