Cliff's of Dover will be updated by installing the sequel over it. yay!
 

Luthier said in dev questions: "The next time it will be updated is when you install the sequel over it."
Once updated with a final patch, Clod can be updated by installing the sequel over it, just like the updating of old :)
Brilliant!, cheers, MP

He did say there will be one more patch before that. I think he meant that there will be a final patch and then after that there will only be updates to CloD if you buy the sequel.

You're wrong.
First released the official patch. It will be the last.
Then the sequel and the new update.

i dont believe that that would be too mean, i cant even start the game now due to launcher chrashes

Updated original post. It is of course what I meant but just to make it clearer :)

So you have to buy the sequel to get CLOD updated then - - - NOT GOOD.

you have to buy the alpha-CLOD sequel to have an updated beta-CLOD

:grin:

Launcher stopped working problem.
 

:razz:Hi Raiid
Having a rest from ROF Forum?
Go to google Put in" Launcher stopped working on Cliffs of Dover"
Then Visit Steam Forum Theres a thread on this problem.
It will Tell you which Files to remove in Steam.
I followed instrructions and i don,t get this problem any more.
You will have to launch Steam before you start Clod But it all works perfectly now.
:razz:

All the naysayers will have to buy the sequel 8)

Well I will not be buying anything from these bunch of cowboys.To be disappointed repeatedly has left me with a sour taste in my mouth and being British I am absolutely disgusted with the way the Battle of Britain has been treated and this is the final straw.
That is all I have to say on the subject.

Currently do not know, why so many of you ask that question, although it is clearly stated?!?!?!

There will be a patch soon for Clod! As already said, the sequel will be handled the same way as in il2 sturmovik! Means that they are compatible! But clod will not be updated alone anymore. Just one final patch and afterwards just updates over the sequel!

Sorry, but I simply cannot understand, why this question is asked in 3 different threads today, after luthier stated roadmap!?!?!? Please just read before asking. :(

Yay? Yay I have to pay more to fix what I already paid for.

Yay The many things that are still broken will not be fixed until 2014 (the sequel is not even alpha until 2013 guys)

Yay????

No definately not! No! Alot said that they would never put another cent into the series until it worked as advertised. Some said "once bitten, twice shy" or some such thing.

Others said that they were disillusioned with the whole development process and just wouldn't buy the sequal on principle! Others were just rude.

They couldn't just go out and buy the sequel? Could they? Then we'ld have to put up with the rest of the series life with them saying how they were blackmailed into buying updates!

Your statement sir, is rocking the faith I have in the integrity of my fellow man! ;)

They announced that it would be merged with any sequels months ago. Why is this considered news?

Your right, but with all the nonsense that floats around it's good to hear that this is still the plan.

:)

Yes, but when B6 was quizzed about the merging of the two recently, he said that he was not allowed to answer such questions. This, along with rumours of an MMO route, and the alleged 'June Announcement' served to suggest that the sequel could potentially be entirely separate.

It's nice to hear that it isn't.

Agreed :D it hopefully also puts the MMO rumors to rest.

+1

Don't count your chickens until they are hatched, we've been told plenty of stuff that never happened.

Why are you listening to rumours?

Or assuming that "I can't answer that question" means "we're changing everything"?

Or parsing every word posted by a guy who barely speaks English?

Well back on topic shall we?

It is good news this has been confirmed. Its the only way the series can have any hope of becoming stronger over time.

I just prey this patch leaves us with something that is good enough to keep the online community alive until the sequel can bring the series back from the dead.

Not sure its good news, but its not as bad as it could have been. I hope the patch at least stabilizes this thing and allows basic stuff like AA and the landscape no longer shimmers. The FM etc can wait until the sequel that I will not buy until far after the reviews are in...and only will buy if they are good reviews. If the patch leaves a mess in its wake the series is toast.

it has to be good news that the sequel will merge with Clod.. that way Clod will get upgraded and this great theatre can live on in our simulation.

Regrading what needs fixing I see it from the complete opposite.. its the FMs that are the key to making CloD fun.. AA and other visual things can wait, these are superficial to the 'gameplay'. Anyway, no point discussing really.. there are many many important things the patch should cover, everyone has their own priority.

I'm optimistic that I'll buy whatever came I'll buy sequels in collector edition if possible.

he said one patch and a sequel. that's good to know I need eastern front i'm not into BoB indeed kk

besides, i understood that one patch and there won't be enough time to make another patch cause the sequel will be almost releasing so why not bother with Clod!

For those of us who are not interested in the sequel and paid their money for CoD. We should get the bug updates free, not the maps or added features that were not promised in the original CoD.

So I have to buy a sequel I am not interested in, in order to get AA. That is a pathetic joke.

Luthier has admitted that cod is not up to par, which means he can do much better.
A fixed Clod + eastern front + several desastersoft and B6 campaigns ^^ , this game gonna be huge, while all the "world of thingy" will be long forgotten, the Il2 titan will rise again. I'am confident.
Btw i'am also awaiting Rome II

And once again, take your public spats to PM if you want to continue with them. Any more are O/T and will just get deleted, so don't bother.

If you have an Nvidia card, customise the settings for launcher.exe. Enable FXAA and add 16x CSAA, with 'override application settings' and 'multisample' set.

No Jaggies.

There's probably some AMD/ATI equivalent available too.

Sorry for OT Uther. ;)

Tried that. Doesn't get rid of the jaggies or shimmering for me. I should not have to buy a sequel to get bug fixes that is just wrong.

This is not new!
We've been told this for the past year.
No surprise!

Maybe they ran out of things to say and have to keep repeating themselves when they have no updates for months on end.

The way I read the latest from Luthier is the next shoe to drop will be the sequel AND THEN AND ONLY THEN will a final patch be released for CLoD...maybe.

If this is the case then exactly how do you install a "finished" sequel over an incomplete game that may or may not receive a last, final patch? :confused:

Your probably reading it wrong, its most peoples understanding that there will be a Release Candidate patch for COD relatively soon. The Sequel is still very long way away as the alpha isn't going to be completed until 2013. I'm a little surprised they will have funding for that long. Either way it would be easy for the developers to overwrite whatever they want to overwrite when you merge COD with the Sequel.

So are they at least going to provide CoD owners with patches to fix bugs (not content) without buying the sequel? Anything less would be a disgrace and very dishonest.

what!?, I purchased the game, and to work as it should, I have to buy the sequel?

Have you tried to delete the conf.ini in the Library - Documents - 1C SoftClub - il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover folder? The game will create a new one when started but save a copy just in case.

Oh it was a pleasure to help. Please think nothing of it. Don't mention it. I'm certain you didn't set the configuration wrongly.

AA is not a bug fix. The situation regarding AA has been explained. If you'd rather criticize the company than use a well tried solution, fine.

I did exactly what you said as have many others and AA is not working. AA has been admitted by the devs as not working and will be implemented at a future time. Thanks for trying but it just doesn't work. If you want to post screenies of exactly how you have it set I will try again. The landscape shimmers like crazy and the planes are all jaggy even at high res. Its ridiculous they cannot fix this. It may not be a bug, but it sure is not something a customer should have to pay extra for. If all the bugs are erased in the next patch ok. But if bug fixes like flickering shadows and shimmering graphics remain, it is a disgrace to try and force customers to pay extra for fixes to a broken game. At a minimum they should provide standalone bug fix patches for those who do not want extra content.

The in-game AA does work, but not very well, and it reduces FPS to a large degree. However, none of the old IL2 series had in-game AA settings at all. None whatsoever. Any AA had to come from your graphics card's control panel, just as I'm suggesting.

If you're really interested in a solution rather than simply complaining, see ATAG_Doc's post #10 in this thread here;

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.co...-driver-301-24

There are also some screenshots of mine in the thread, showing the cockpit and wing of a Spit with these settings.

Edit: Where it says 'WRC 2010' in the control panel, it should of course say 'launcher.exe'. This was due to the Nvidia beta driver recognising the app wrongly. This is no longer the case with the official Nvidia v306.23 driver.

Thanks I will try that, but no AA forcing I have tried thus far has made much difference. The landscape continues to shimmer (shadows too, but that is something else).

I still do not see why they cannot provide bug fixes for this broken software after the next patch without paying for them. That is really a dishonest business model.

Well, every tree shadow I've seen in my garden shimmers too, owing to the movement of leaves in the breeze, so I suppose that's a matter of opinion too.

As to bug fixes after the patch, maybe we'd better wait and see what they do fix in the patch, before complaining about what they don't. ;)

Building shadows shimmer too. That's not a matter of opinion. London all the shadows shimmer. As for the trees I have never seen that much vibrating shadows when I am airborne in RL. Its pretty bad looking. My opinion and many others too.

I still do not see why they cannot provide bug fixes for this broken software after the next patch without paying for them. Its dishonest to force people to pay for bug fixes.

Yes ok, I heard you the first time. I'm not here for an argument. There are many things I'm not happy with too.

Have a go with the AA settings though. They really do work very well indeed. You will notice that the lettering in 'NetStats' is slightly blurred, but the settings clean up your picture dramatically. :)

Thanks I'm just waiting for my registration to clear over at ATAG as everything is on private for me right now and I can't get to the thread.

I am going to repeat this for some you.

When IL2 Sturmovik was released version 1.0 there were problems. Things were alot simpler then because we were using 32mB video cards, and other much less sophisticated computer systems.

Technology has seriously advanced since those days and graphic standards have gone into orbit compared to those days.

Yes, IL2 had problems and the UbiSoft forums were a rage for over a year after IL2 was released. The devs were patching and releasing carefully, because the rage became unbearable with bad patches.

Patches were just downloaded zip files and the process was simple for updating.

The IL2 devs final solution to most of the problems with IL2 came in the Sequel "Forgotten Battles". It was a success, and we never looked back.

Those of us that enjoy air combat flight simulation, a video making utility, a mission and campaign builder, online battles that catch the cheats,etc. We will have to bite the bullet and stay the term, which means after the next patch there will probably be issues...

The sequel was how it was done before, and it looks like it will be the same this time as well. So, you are going to have to pony up some more money and buy the sequel.

It isn't worth a complaint, because the majority of us would have gladly paid double the price of COD in the beginning.

Be patient, and feel good. Luthier and the dev team are still striving to produce the air combat simulator application...that will be second to none.

IMO, note I say in my opinioin. I would prefer the sequel not to update the previous COD version. I would prefer just like "Forgotten Battles" that it be a completely new release with everything from the COD included (not the bugs).

Wash all that COD stuff behind us and move onto better things...

Start anew with a completely competent and exciting new air combat flight sim application.

yep second to none, not only because it will be the best, but also because, apart RoF, there will be nothing else in the sky
ED DCS-BS2 is just the same (20$ for an update, strangely no one is arguing about that)
Microsoft Flight project has already gone sour

See you later angry alligator ^^

+1

For a high fidelity sim like DCS:BS, its chump change. And with the update came, you know, actual updates. Also it works. Thats alot more than CLoD.

By the time (if they dont go under due to lack of funding), 1C makes this playable, you dont know if there will be competition from a another dev that knows to make a sim or not.

We're singing the same tune Nearmiss me ole china! :)

Now if they'd just include a flyable Wellington and/or Beaufighter in the sequel in additon to the Eastern Front models and some snowy landscape...........;)

If only :(, were there any sent to russia?

There were A20's at least right?

I suspect there will definitely be snowy landscape, if the sequel will be what we are expecting "Moscow".

Personally, I like the mountains of the Crimea and Kuban regions on the Black sea.

No Beaufighters in Russia to my knowledge Krupi, but if the Cliffs of Dover stuff were re-released as a package together with the sequel, including these planes as flyables would be a great way of re-energising 'the community' who want additional Cliffs content, and would also tempt any dissenters to purchase the sequel anyway.

Fantastic idea, if I say so myself, and I commend it to the House. :)

Edit: Nearmiss, I reckon we'll be getting Leningrad, Moscow and Stalingrad. Or at least, maps representing the three main thrusts of Barbarossa. I also hope we do. We already know the Stalingrad part......

I prefer this way too.

Sokol1

So long as we don't go back to that awful sound engine we got dumped with in FB, I remember the disappointment coming from IL2 to that distinctly :(

I totally 100% agree. And a bit more :grin:

Best Regards,
MB_Avro

Thanks for helping :), but I tried these settings to the letter and unfortunately there was no difference whatsoever.:(

Well try this...

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m...e=1&print=true

Hmmm...........System Specs? Which card do you have? Game settings? It's best if you turn off the game's AA altogether, by the way, contrary to what I say in the ATAG thread.

Did you click the 'add' button in the control panel, then follow the file path to 'launcher.exe' in program files, so the control panel knows you're customizing settings for that particular programme? Then clicked 'apply'?

Sorry if this sounds patronising, but I'm just checking. :)

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GTX 580 3gb newest drivers

Tried all AA settings in game including off with these settings. Even tried video inspector and no go. Res 2650 x 1600 Which in most games removes most of the AA by itself. If I lower the res it is hideous.

No you are not patronizing, just trying to help and thank you. And yes I did all those things.

The only thing that has made any difference at all is the InjectSMAA. It makes only a very minor difference though, like going from 0 AA to 2x AA. Noticeable but very small. And the landscape still shimmers badly over cities.

Hmmm, well I can't think of anything else to suggest. Certainly the settings clean up the aircraft, whether on your own or in formation with others. Maybe the shimmering landscape is something you're noticing because of screen size. Mines only a 1920x1080 24 inch, so if yours is bigger, which I assume it is with that res, the size of the monitor is exaggerating something I don't see.

I haven't even noticed whether any shimmering or flickering is reduced with these settings, as it didn't bother me too much in the first place, but ATAG_Deacon, who runs a three screen wrap around set up lowers his resolution. He posted a short vid of his set-up on the ATAG forum.

I'll see if I can find the link for you and edit this post.

Edit: Sorry, the vid I was after is in the 'member's only section'.

Anyone else help with this kind of res?

Yah the jaggies are worse on the aircraft wings, canopy and wires. Yes I have a 30" monitor and 1920 x 1200 is worse, much worse.

I wonder if you have hit on something, which would explain why some complain about this and some don't. I wonder if some are more used to more jaggies and a bit more is not as noticeable to them, whereas others are used to clean and clear image that other sims can manage and thus notice the jaggies much more. I dunno, all I can think of, but the videocard settings do absolutely nothing in my case which is really puzzling since they work for you.

This is great news! More options is always better!

yeah it sucks that this game was left hanging. I had thought that they would keep patching away at Clod, while working towards the sequel .

But it does make sense of what the devs are doing. The engine is broke, and once the devs fix the engine (for the sequel), they can use that to fix Clod . ..

However I think they might be either redesigning the game engine again, or doing major work on it.

Also as Luthier said, there's that funding issue.

Once they have the working engine, they can adjust the content for Clod to the new engine and, whut up! working game.



However the sequel should have a working game engine with bells and whistles (weather etc) and the titular plane . . .

When we have this sequel, I guess installing it will simply patch CloD to match what the sequel has (generally bug free, weather, etc).

But they are focusing on continuing the Il-2 series.



its funny how some misread luthier's post and said the sequel is incompatible with Clod. . .

Just curios as to why people think the "sequal" will be any good? As if it is a golden nugget of programming or somehting?

These guys cant get CLoD right, and the BoM is going ot be using the same engine, that has been a mess for over a year now.

Do people realize they failed at CLoD? If they have no been able to get this mess correct, how are they going to do it with BoM? If they can get BoM right, then why have they not done it with CLoD? See the loop here? Its called they need more money because they relased a turd, and now want to make people pay to fix what they already bought.

They have failed. Failed in programming, failed in any decent offline, failed in communication, failed in optimization, failed in customer santisfaction, and totally failed in trust. They did that to themselves, nobody else.

You could be right if they don't bother fixing the game engine while building the Sequel. I assume one half of the crew will be working on the Sequels, maps, aircraft, and missions will the other half works on the AI, AI Commands, FM, DM, GUI, Clouds/Weather which should apply equally with COD, the next Sequel, and the Sequels after that. They have a year or two before the Sequels release and we should have a better idea after the release of the RC patch, how many issues they will still have to fix. We all know it will probably be a very long list. I wish them luck. I'd sure like to see a number of quality years of new theaters, and features, like the original series.

I'ld be buying it day one even if it in the same state as COD, simply because I am having a great time on line with COD.

Even with all the problems it would still be work every cent.

Hopefully they will sort out some of the issues and it will be even more value.

ill be buying this comunity is too nice not to support it

and theyre not rich people still rmember the day oleg ask the comunity plz money for a new car

I'm not assured it will be good and will pay closer attention to the development updates, but I don't think those paying for the project would support a program they don't think will be any good. They must have some sort of confidence that this will work as planned. Heck, maybe even the new hires and fires were at the unction of the financial backers to assure a quality product.

I understand the logic of the turd analogy, but I am more inclined to think CoD/BoM is a gem covered by turd. Despite the many issues with CoD, Some are playing it quite nicely. My PC is way below spec so I can't complain or compare my experience with others, but the times I've played have been fun enough to give them the chance to pull the flecks of turd off the game and polish it up.

I'll look with a more askance view, and I won't gloss over perceived shenanigans, but I'll be fair.

"gem covered by turd" is probably the best analogy I've heard yet, but I sure wouldn't want to be paying the cleaners/polishers by the hour. Like you said the guys paying the cleaners must have a pretty good idea whats underneath. I've only taken a few cursory looks at the FMB, it appears to have an awesome amount of options, and feel some optimizations there could make for some very interesting missions someday.

Not sure about this diamond-in-the-rough or gem-in-a-turd analogy.

The core qualities are fairly clear. The only hope lies in external qualities and work, add-ons, user involvement etc. Everything suggests the underlying code base is fairly inept...with a few supporters hoping they can make it more ept.

Talking of perceived shenanigans...the mods seem to be playing whack-a-mole lately with dissenting threads. The problem with that is, the voices just emerge in other threads...it doesn't go away. Might as well leave one or two buildings standing so people know what to expect. Put us in one place, so to speak.

Where were you when there was a big debate about creating a whingers thread then?

Big turning point
 

I wont buy the sequel ,at first , ill wait till it drops down in price, learnt my lesson , i dont even fly cliffs of dover,much , in fact its pushed me away to other sims , IL-2 HSFX 6.15 (online awsome) - ect - DCSworld , i waited so long for this . i find it very frustrating ..lol..
.i am to british , and disapointed, The Battle of Britain , big turning point in history ,
Dam Shame....:confused:

confused what happend ...

same

+1

Yes I was big expectation for this scenario exactly...what I wanted? A big campaign, not so disappointed, I know Oleg never saw the point, but the other thing? Battle of Britain = BIG FURBALLS. Huge raids! Hundreds of aircraft like in BOB2 but with modern GFX and DMs.

Oh well, maybe after the sequel...

I went online with my squad , in il-2 HSFX 6.15 the other night , can you believe 80 players were flying the Crete mission with the online war , and not one flaw in the server , fantastic , stuff,

I cant even start the game now due to launcher chrashes

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If you unzipped the beta patch using Winzip, you will have launcher crashes if you didn't "Unblock" the data in the Winzip file. Atleast when using Windows 7.

buying BoM to fix CLoD
 

Hello
If I understand this correctly, the new BoM will install over CLoD and will address the problems that still plague some CLoD owners. Two months ago I eagerly purchased CLoD and paid full retail (I have a system that meets CLoDs requirements).
Pardon my frustration but I have not been able to fly CLoD more than 3 minutes before the launcher crashes. I have been back and forth with tech help for the last month, tried four re-installs, driver updates, cache validations and and other things, still with no success.
Am I to assume that BoM will make my CLod usable? Am I supposed to pay full retail for a new product because that is the only way I might be able to use a product that I have already paid full retail for?
Whatever is done in BoM that addresses CLoDs launcher issues should be made available as a patch for CLoD owners. If that can't happen, then CLoD owners get BoM free. I have no more reason to assume that this would work than I had that CLoD would work for me so I can hardly be expected to fork over more cash to the same folks that sold me a product that has yet to function for me. :confused

You should read around in this forum, the program works well with the latest patch, be sure to read about how to install that patch ( ie: clear the cache first, etc...).

The sim is still going thru test patches for the graphic/performance rewrite, and bug fixes which seems to address most people launcher exe problems. So far we've had 3 test patches, the last two being RC 1 and RC2 "release candidates". We aren't sure when the official Steam patch will be released. You can install the latest RC2 test patch to see if it fixes your launcher exe, if you are using WinZip be sure to check "unblock" in the Winzip downloads properties before unzipping the files to your install.

You paid the full price (around 60 bucks) for a 2-year old product, if I understand correctly? I smell something fishy here, because CloD price has dropped miserably since its release. I bought mine for 20 bucks and I heard it is even cheaper now. Did you get a DVD or did you download it from Steam?

CloD is buggy but not that buggy that it crashes every 3 minutes. Countless bugs have been adressed, and I doubt they could be discovered only after 3 minutes of playing. Try to contact the one who sold you the game.

BTW, if your computer barely meets the minimal requirements, do not expect it to be able to run the game. That is the painfull lesson for many of us.

HI Thanks for the reply.
I paid about 30 dollars for it on steam, which is their retail price. Steam claims its not them (and their other games work well for me) and as I said, I have been going back and forth with CLoD technical support for a month. I was never told about the "release candidates" patches by the tech I was dealing with and I am downloading it now to see if that helps.
I have 4 megs ram, a gtx 560 with a gig onboard, aN AMD Athlon X4 630 cpu, saitek evo joystick and I run XP service pack 3

I think you really need Windows 7 as XP et al seem to be a bit problematical. And 8 dosen't work apparently. I recently took a risk and got a copy from someone called micropal who sells them on ebay. It was posted from China and came in a piece of cardboard but with the genuine sticker with activation code attached. It installed ok with automatic online registration enabled and has not had a problem so far although I wont feel entirely out of the woods until the 30 days are up. But for £48.50 postage free for Ultimate I thought it might just be worth it. Buyer beware.

I think he meant that there will be a final patch and then after that there will only be updates to CloD if you buy the sequel.
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