Evgeny: why no SOW updates any more?
 

Sorry if I missed this somewhere, but why no updates of any sort since March?

Every time someone requests another update it gets postponed by two weeks!

Of course, I'm not Evgeny. But then again Evgeny isn't here to hear your cries. Its just you, me and the Aardvark...

Evgeny is no longer the forum-moderator here.

And all you missed in your absence beyond that news, are some 50 to 100 threads asking for information, demanding it, threatening 1C or Maddox to not support the game any further or cancel preorders, flaming them or people trying to explain what is going on, complains about marketing strategies from professionals, about project control and the inescapable ruin of Maddox and SoW:BoB. :rolleyes:

Guys don't worry. We are working on new updates. Maybe by the end of the week or little later I will post the answers on most interesting questions. We don't forget about you:)

Thanks Nike-it. That is certainly great news :-)

+1 planespotter. Without your daring question we would never have gotten this answer ;-)

+1 for the thanks to Nike-it :grin:

-1 for the odd idea that new updates only come when asked for :rolleyes:

Thanks Nike-it.

btw I didn't know you were from South Park :wink:

That Nike-it looks like one tough dude!...and thanks for the heads up

:cool:

ooooh i simply cant wait, some more questions and answers from Oleg, lets hope he avoids the recent stock answers of: 'to early to tell', 'maybe', 'probably' and 'no'.:)

Good news indeed!

But you're encouraging us. Thats a dangerous thing to do... :)
Now we think that a ceremony involving Planespotter and an Aardvark can bring about Oleg sightings...

We all know how many weeks that is ;) Thanks for the update anyway :)

EDIT: A small clarification. If you have not been around the IL2 forums before there is a legendary phrase of "Two weeks" ("be sure" may be added for emphasis). That generally means anywhere between 3 weeks and a couple of years - but never two weeks :) The "two weeks" joke is getting really stale after 10 years or so and originally it appeared in the Falcon 4 forums according to hearsay...

While your at it can you find out when we get 4.09 final and the dedicated server patch?

S!

Ask again just after SoW gets to the Pacific.

Feuerfalke I did not say that the update will come as a result of planespotter asking, which you obviously think. I just wanted to make a point out of the fact, that every time some one ask for when an update can be expected he or she gets flamed. This is not fair from my point of view. Stop the bashing of people wanting to know about updates and just ignore them if it really bugs you. What harm can come from asking, if the updates will not come as a result anyway??

Planespotter is not demanding anything, but has a question, which he would like to have answered. Please have respect for other peoples right to ask questions.. And don't disrespect them just because they are of another opinion than yourself.

Sorry for this outburst, but I think enough is enough..

Bring on the updates ;-)

OK, I confess.

Before posting I smeared myself in a kilo of chicken giblets, grabbed a 1/32 scale Spitfire model and ran three times around a yew tree naked while chanting "HIEMALIS COMPARIO" (that's latin for storm update).

Give it a try, it might work for you too.

European or Asian chicken giblets?

It's really funny YOU added this line to your comment - ROFLOL! :grin:

What do you think you will find more often on this board? My "bashing", as you call it, people asking for updates or threads demanding them?


So why should your sense of "enough" be more valuable than mine? :confused:

Hmm, I only have a 1/48 Spitfire available. Do you think that repeating your ritual with that one may have undesired effects? Another problem is that it's a Mk Vb - but most recent movies have used Mk V:s for BoB so it may work? Could it have the effect that the channel fighting 1941-42 module arrive before BoB?

I think that the number of increasing questions regarding updates is a problem that has been created by 1C/Maddox games themselves. No updates for two months after the statement below got to produce a negative response from a community (especially as we are hopefully now in the "close to beta" time frame)?

"...Here we begin to post development news of BoB.... some time, but not so rare... I hope once per 2-3 weeks or so .... and more close to beta - each week like in old good time with IL-2..."

Sure, there have been so many similar posts now with questions about why the updates have stopped, but everyone does not come here daily so they may not find the relevant information in all the "noise"... With the statement above as a sticky at the top of the forum you got to ask who's got the ball really?

/Mazex

Feuerfalke I do not intend to start arguing with you. I just wanted to point out that YOU shot the messenger when a person asks for when an update will come. Why is this question regarding an update not allowed?? It is not a demand and certainly will not speed up the coming of the update. So what is the problem??
Why have you had enough of people asking for updates? How can that in any way damage the game or this forum?? And I say again it is not a demand it is a question..

Just becaurse you have had enough does not give you the right to disrespect other peoples opinions or posts. This forum is not about flaming other people when you think they are in the wrong!
Oh.. And by the way if you did not understand the word bashing then it means: to attack physically or verbally :-)

+1 mazex

I agree, we were told that updates/news would come more frequently but we just get the occasional 3D models. Like i have already stated some of the big selling shops around here such as 'Game' have looked into SOW and have told me that they can find no information on it at all other than the old release dates, they believe that the whole project must of been shelved or scrapped. Again i doubt that this is the case but if a big company like 'Game' are telling this to customers then its bound to raise questions. Some people have even had their pre-orders refunded from online gaming stores, the speculation has to whether this sim is dead can only be addressed by a few parties who are genuinely in the know. These people in my opinion should be doing all they can to keep us all on board and up to date, after all we will be their customers, so it seems a very strange marketing tactic to give so little info away if the sim is anywhere near completion. If you do a Google search for Storm Of War there is nothing official from anybody. I personally think that the sim is a very long way off completion and if we see it before 2010 i will be happy.

Well we usually get the answer that the developers are too busy to post updates,but really,it would take 2 minutes to do it.

Ironically, you keep bashing me, personally, HenFre, though you keep posting, that this is not a place to do this...

I don't shoot a messenger, I don't bash people and I don't flame them for posting questions.

What I do and I honestly really love to tell over and over again, that I want to move things into perspective.

And I so much like to tell that especially YOU, because after reading and answering personally to all my replies, you still think like mazex, that the only one responsible for this is 1C/Maddox, which is plain so damn wrong, that it makes me laugh every single time.

If anybody at all is responsible for the lack of information it's UBIsoft. And considering that, it makes so little sense to post these questions, demands, threats, etc over and over at this forum, instead of writing to UBI. Has anybody of you even considered writing UBI a mail? Contacting their Support? Dropping a petition at their door? No? Why not? Considering the threads here and on UBIzoo, there gotta be thousands of people gladly joining your march and I'd be the first to sign in.

Again, don't get me wrong. I'd like to see some information, too, but you guys are knocking in the wrong door here.

NOTHING official?

This is one of the first links I get from google, a 3 seconds search and all of this information is official, though part of it is translated to German in this thread.

http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/...4/m/4641029783

The best way to give us some updates now, would be don't give us them at all. I'd prefer: "We'll give you updates when we could do it. Regards".

BoB will not be simple a new sim but the first step of a new sim generation. So is better they could work without stress.

My two cents.

What do you think you gain by insulting people? I just don't get it...

/Mazex

I disagree in a way... that's probably not gonna be the first step but rather "the only step"... :lol:
I fail to see anything showing up in the near future that will remotely look like an IL2 let alone SoW... an unique products really :cool: .
But then again, what do I know?
Perhaps someone comes out of shadows with some other great sim?:o

But we were sooo lucky that the man who does miracles got in charge of all this...

If something was explained about 30 times here and frequent posters still post it wrong, it IS funny. I didn't draw conclusions from it and didn't post them, but the fact alone is funny to me. But of course you can also take it as a personal insult, if you want.
Question is, did you draw conclusion what I might have concluded, so you can take it as an insult or is the pure fact that somebody thinks otherwise and doesn't join the march offend you?

Agreed 100%.

Nobody can give definite answers when BoB will be released, nor when UBI is going to lift the ban and officially advertise BoB and frequent updates will start, etc. But again and again Oleg promised regular updates, previews and stuff in a few weeks or days, even on this board, but the only effect it has, is the stuff that evolves again in this post. It's like a bunch of little children waiting for their candy and it's again and again postponed and they get more and more disappointed and angry. If anything IS Olegs fault, then it's promising something he cannot control again and again.

After watching this happen so many times, not only on this board, not only with this game, I'd prefer a simple statement: "You get updates when we are ready to post them - period." or the good and golden "When it's done."

What i mean is "Don't joke with us, please". What we have seen in this months is not a BOB update, it's simple NOTHING. The web is full of wonderfull 3D models......... Be sure that Oleg has more to show us than we have seen untill now.

So, please give us updates when you will be able to do it, or you could do it (read publisher's approval).

Thank you.

Just look at how old that is, the last update was on the 05/12/2007

:lol:

Yeah - and what pure oddity and coincidence, that these informations stopped just 11 days before the deal with 1C and ATARI was publically announced on 05/23/2007 and UBI restated their contracts about the StormOfWar-Engine.


And STILL people are bashing 1C and Maddox Games... :rolleyes:

Im not bashing anyone, i would just like to be kept more informed and have frequent updates, i fail to see why you are so opposed to this.:!: You have directed me to an old website that has had only a couple of updates since its creation in 2006 - what use is that. We have established here that the majority of people would like to be kept up to date and you for some reason dont want to be. No problem.

You answered it yourself. You just don't get it.

Just as you just did, mazex, because there are apparently a lot of people posting here, who just don't get it either. :grin:

Not at all. I posted about a dozen times, that I would really like to have some updates, anything at all, to be honest. Mustn't even be a release-date, regular updates or a revival of Ians Wardiaries.

But I do read Olegs repeated statements and I can accept the fact that it is not up to him, Maddox Games or 1C. If that is a crime, so be it.

That has nothing to do with my personal feelings, though some people constantly mix that up, obviously, as well as they mix up programmers and publishers btw.

Thats a fair comment Feuerfalke, heres to the next update. S!

~S!~ Tree_UK

Why is it that every frickin thread here ends up with someone calling someone else a dick?

This forum needs a real admin who will shut threads down and kick people out as soon as the juvenile namecalling starts.

OK, now, call me names.

Agreed. But not the people that start this threads. Ban those that reply in an insulting way. As far as i know there is no rule that would forbid opening threads like this.

I am not going to read through all the 'where is BoB' threads because there are just too many and it's clear there is no answer yet.

BUT, what is so difficult in Maddox and UBI getting together and giving us an update from time to time? There have been so many posts that even if there were a launchdate I haven't seen it and it's not in 'Oleg's answers'.

Don't tell me about commercial secrecy or whatever - it has been too long. It is no secret. As someone said, another product could jump out of the woodwork after such a long wait and take interest away from SoW.

Many years ago I watched EA destroy Air Warrior while it ignored it's customer base. Later I watched Aces High keep it's customers waiting for over two years for it's much vaunted Aces High II which didn't deliver on it's promises and many of my friends moved to IL-2 as a result. Both resulted in loss of customers due to poor handling of the situation.

What I am saying is it doesn't do Maddox/UBI any favours announcing a new product and then keep us hanging around for over three years without keeping us informed. It's ridiculous.

And yes, people are going to rant about it here because here is where they come. This is 1CMaddox's forum. It is up to 1C Maddox to pick up on these issues and take them to UBI, it isn't for us to chase around after UBI and do their job for them. I have been as patient as the next man over this but it is becoming farcical.

All we want are regular updates.

:arrow:Yes , thats a good Idear and in about two weeks this forum will be dead , theres nothing wrong with a heated disagreement , if we all start pretending that we agree with anothers opinion to keep the peace or because were afraid of getting banned then what s the point of a forum, I dont think Ive ever read any thread here that made me think a person should be banned for what he or she said.:rolleyes:

When the animals are hungry and they don't get fed they inevitably turn on each other and start to feed...

Oleg really should through the dogs a bone...

Here Ya go:
http://www.pacific-fighters.com/en/s...?mode=&page=38

And a preview:
http://www.combatsim.com/memb123/htm...02/il2preview/

(I still get excited looking at these)

Avimimus...

Irony?

Link 1 : Pacific Fighters screenshots and the most recent current News item is an April 2007 review of 1946.

Link 2 : Feb 2001 review of IL-2

.......or did I miss something?

Too many words to nothing...Its all time the same think, all of replayers of questions like " why dont have any updates? or any think about SOWBOB, in this forum or oleg forum, is a members like me and yours, i dont read any thread write by a administrator of this forum or ubisoft or people of Maddox company....Im a fan of il2 and keep flyng at my il21946 4.08 , but i dont understand why someone reply with defence and justify this no return of simple questions.....Why no official replys? Anyone want to view secrets?.....burocracy to give some news? hahahhahahha 2 moth to aprove a two or tree jgs? thats is too crazy justify to me......i dont need to ofence anyone but why someones write about they dont know?

You are perfectly right, grecobd.

More than 2 month from approval to actually posting them is really absolutely ridiculous.

Unless the answer to the approval-thing was "NO", of course ;)



Yeah, life is complicated if you just can't do what you'd like to do and people keep bashing you for what you are not allowed to do. :rolleyes:

Well a week has turned into 3 weeks, did you forget about us?

He said "by the end of the week or little later". For me that sounds like two weeks so he still has a month or two before we can start moaning ;)

A joke
 

Any time-related discussion in this forum is turning into farce, and not for user's fault. Any engagement about release dates, updates, patches has *never* been met. So let's face reality and pass to something else. We will be pleasantly surprised one day in future to discover that a new sim has been released. Silently..

Rehards,
Insuber

I am going to try a new tact, here goes, 'I DEMAND UPDATES!!' er 'NOW'.

You never know it may just work.:confused:

There are as many steps between posting the informations about a release-date now and a silent release as there are steps of gray between black and white.

If there aren't going to be any useful updates on this forum, then I wonder if it would just be better to close it down and direct everyone back to the Ubisoft forums.

It would save 1c a bit of time and money, and everyone is used to not receiving any useful info over at Ubi anyway.

I think they haven't got any updates to show us.

Interesting point. So you say you a) don't visit the official Forums any longer because you were b) invited or officially "directed" to this place and c) were promised exclusive updates here?

Well that's really odd, because
1. This is not a forum for Storm of War, but for IL2 :!:
2. Nobody said this forum is worth any more than UBI. Infact both forums are from the publishers, neither is from Maddox-Games, the producers.
3. I don't know why you got here, but I did BECAUSE of the pictures released here. Complaining now, that this forum is useless seems a bit narrow-minded, considering that.

I think so, too. There was also no rain here for almost a month, so it's clear there are no clouds left on earth. Be sure. :grin:

I dunno how you managed extract so much hidden meaning from what I said. Were you invented by Agatha Christie?

I think the attraction of this forum for most visitors was that as Oleg and co. no longer visited Oleg's Ready Room, the place to get information on new developments, be they SoW or Il-2, was over here on the 1C forums. As there will be no new development of Il-2, and as it appears that Ubi themselves have proscribed Oleg from making updates here (or so I understand) this forum doesn't offer anything extra that the Ubi forums do.

This is not an attempt to be polemical, but a simple attempt to pose a fair question. Maintaining two forums costs both publishers money, and also splits information that is valuable to the community between two sites. It really isn't very efficient. So, is it not reasonable to ask if one or other site is absolutely necessary?

2/0 = 0 and division by zero is not allowed ;)

Do you really think it is just a fair question with no sense behind it but just the idea that it would safe 1Cs money, since Oleg no longer posts here?

Doesn't sound that simple to me, honestly. With the same reasoning you could close down SimHQ, UBI ORR, UBI General-Forums, Russian Game Magazines, even FiringSquad.com, the RRG-Site, airwarfare.com, some photoshop-boards and the Russian Forums of this site. Oleg has posted news in a lot of medias and forums and the later for quite some time back into IL2.

Just because there is no official info on BoB makes no reason to shut down a page that is a place to talk about IL2. Well, at least not for me. Maybe the only reason why I really agree, is the fact that there are only a few threads about IL2 at all and the admins should more actively counter these repeated posts. ;)

@feuerfalke

1+

I can confirm that there are some clouds left, its Pishing down here. :(

LOL this one should be better explained, in my world x/0=infinity... but I'm too rusted maybe.

I'm very glad to hear that. :grin: Though you are probably not.

Well, the only difference with this site is that I believe (and I could be wrong in my assumptions here) that it was set up (in contrast to the ubi forums) to allow Oleg & Co. to directly communicate with the Il-2 community.

If what I assume is correct, then the raison d'etre for this forum appears to no longer exist. In which case it is just another Il-2 forum like Sim HQ, UBI ORR, UBI General Forums etc. etc. Nothing special in any way.

You obviously think that just another Il-2 forum is perfectly OK, which is fine. I'm just expressing doubts as to whether it's something that the Il-2 community really needs, when the same topics posted here are generally covered in at least as much detail elsewhere.

i.e. this place is nice enough, but doesn't seem to have a specific purpose....

Well I am going out on a limb here but as far as I know this site features updates (tiny indeed) that are only available here.
Oleg so far has given this site far more info than any other.
He has also released it here first.
It has then been transport elsewhere...
If I am wrong... Then what am I doing here?


But I am losing interested frankly.
Sought of reminds me of the KOTS site, lots of talk but when it gets down to deliver expect it to be abandoned for the brand new Ubisoft SOW page.

Sorry, but your assumption really seems wrong, because this place was not created to give Oleg a place to directly communicate with the crowd. He does that by various means on different boards, but even at this board, he rarely does it personally. How many replies do you see on this whole board by Oleg? 20? And really, how many posts about Q&A, infos or answers to release-date-things where posted by Oleg himself??? Wasn't it his staff posting that most of the time?

Again, this is an IL2-Forum, not one for BoB. It may be a solution to the UBI-Ban, but as you can see with the promised and not kept regular updates, this board is neither his personal playground nor is it a basis for regular information that you will find nowhere else on the internet.

Honestly, though, I think that this is the main problem for most people. They came here in anticipation for news about BoB and one after another realizes, that this is just another IL2-board, with the same topics and even the same members, than most of the other forums and IMHO that is the reason why so many people feel pissed here.

This boresighting on BoB is also the reason, why only a handful of people even noticed Oleg has responded to several posts over the last weeks, just none was labeled with or containing "secret info on BoB", so nobody cared, obviously including yourself.

Nobody is forced to post here, but nobody should think that Oleg is either and especially not, if he only gets the same copy'n'paste-questions about BoB as an answer, which he is not allowed to post statements to.

So after all, if anybody is responsible for Oleg remaining largely silent IMHO is to a larger part the sound of this community. You just don't bite the hand that's feeding you.

You're right - I was writing to fast with a son over my shoulder :). It should naturally be:

0/2 = 0 and 2/0 = not allowed (infinity).

Feuerfalke - I've never bitten Oleg's hand or anyone else's. It's just not my style.

But yes, you're right, I was expecting a bit more here, but that's because moderators and regulars at ORR have regularly responded to peoples' RFI's with "Hey Moron! Don't you realise that Oleg and Ilya and Crazy Ivan don't live here anymore? You need to go over to the 1C forums!" so the expectation that this forum is more "alive" is not an assumption created from nothing. And of course it doesn't matter if these people reply personally or by proxy - what does matter is whether or not accurate information is being provided.

And no, I haven't seen Oleg's replies in some threads, and the reason I haven't is that many of the threads here are ones I've seen countless times before in other forums so the motivation to go through each topic again (as a non-newbie) is not particularly high. I think we're both talking at slight cross-purposes to an extent, because I'm not specifically looking exclusively for info on BoB straight from the Oleg's mouth, but I am looking for information about Maddox Games's flight simulation products from reliable sources. If, as you seem to be implying, this site is no better for that than anywhere else, then fair enough. It's just a bit of a disappointment, that's all.

I didn't mean you personally bit the hand of anybody and not literally. But it seems even if Oleg shares some information, the only effect is, that the time until the next demand arises is shortened by half.

It still is an assumption created from nothing - just that it wasn't yours. ;)

I understand your point and I think we think quite alike on this. IMHO the only problem is, that people tend to hope and get disappointed. And in this special case, they hoped for new informations on a rediscovered forum and within a few weeks people rush in here and soon realize that nothing has changed.

From a more global point of view, that's no surprise, as UBI hasn't changed their minds and Oleg still seems to be bound to that.
But some individuals don't see it that way and take it as a personal insult or provocation against the community, that even after they went through the length to register to some "new" forum, the Godfather of Flightsim doesn't listen to them.