Patch update 22/06 - general discussion (ask questions in official update thread)
 

Tells us absolutally nothing, but then we expect than now don't we.:confused:

I'd rather see some results.

Well it's certainly not by choice, they are trying I'm sure...nothing we say will help to speed it up. :grin:

What happened to the big announcement in June?

They covered themselves on that, they didn't state a year.....

Observation 1: Previous screenies were taken in the object viewer, some of these appear to be in-game and show high cloud and low calibre damage decals. They also show a pretty bland landscape (WIP?).

Observation 2: Next Friday is June 29th. If June is the deadline for 'the announcement', it's next week. But of course the patch is completely unconnected with the announcement so the current beta patch is what we're stuck with for now.

Except for me. I've gone back to the pre-patch version which currently means I can only fly the sim offline. But at least offline the RAF planes fly ok. :)

yeah a really disappointing update, because i think at this point, the majority is not interested in wip screenshots of a project we dont know anything about, while we are all waiting now more than half a year for a patch to come out....
but im not at all surprised anymore with this.
what i am surprised about is, that i am not interested in their future project, for now at least.
i remember waiting for the CLOD development updates, as excited as like a little child waiting for xmas.
if you had told me in the past, that all my excitement will be gone one and a half years after the release of CLOD and directly before the announcement of their sequel, i had not believed it.

I suddenly realized you are spot on mate. I didn't even look at the pics. Yep, a real bloody shame.

Yeah the RAF planes need a fix like NOW!!,they would've pleased me and many others on here today by just releasing what ever new flight models they have at the moment in a small patch,it would've meant a lot.......dissappointed does'nt even come close to how I feel about this.:(

I have vastet bigger money one ONE pizza!!
 

Get a life!

Viking

Posting photos of the sequel is not doing any favour to the developers unfortnately.
A company with an as yet still failed product does not satiate its customers by trying to sell them another product. Madness.

I, for one, have little interest in the eastern front anyway, and coupled with dismay for this software, I don't think I will be buying the sequel.

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I think he has a hard time with the language barrier.
Give him time to re-read the post using 4 to 7 dictionaries he might findout this wasn't about pennies.

I will not be buying the sequel, not for at least a year after release....ond then only if they have CLoD fully complete.

I did look at the photos posted and agree totally that it does look bland.

In any case I haven't played in quite a while now, and probably won't until its fixed. DCS A-10C is taking up a good portion of my time atm.

Well - this delay is costing me a fortune: I am back to photography, and as you know all that new Nikon FF stuff is not exactly cheap ... body only is several times more expensive than a new PC. Not to mention the photo editing software, the cheapest one costs 2x the CloD collectors edition!

I agree with ya, but here is a PC SIM FORUM, not a pub chat ... so, we are here to talk about the game.

... or lack thereof. lol

+1

it hasnt even been a good effort, pull the plug and move on.

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You are right it is a game; let us be happy it does exist.:grin:

Will people 'still' be whingeing is the real question, what I really don't get is all the folks whingeing and claiming COD is a 'dead duck' yet they are still here, for some reason they just can't leave and move on with their lives like jilted boyfriends crying in the street.

I get what you are saying but answer this question:

Do you want to live in a future where game developers can get away with selling unfinished products to customers safe in the knowledge that they will just stop whinging and go away?

The more likely scenario is that you will end up in a future of Modern Warfare 26 (Now with bushes a slightly different shade of green! Bullets as DLC for £25!).... or no game industry at all.

If CloD isn't fixed soon then 1C, as a company, will seriously start to feel the pain... I'm not the only one who is now avoiding anything with the 1C logo on it! Muck spreads and tends to stick too...

I think, because we paid for it. If you are glad giving your money for nothing, good for you.

And I think that ALL we are posting here wants the game works fine and become in the best simulator in history, but no for that we will not complain when things do not go as they promised.

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So very true.

I paid for Wings of Puke. It sucked. I removed it from my computer. I didn't spend the next year complaining on their forum. I have some dignity.

However, did it work as it said on the box, or was it a WIP and (a public/open) beta for a future game?

RAh.... marvellous ... i miss you fanboy

Do you really think the whingeing on this forum is actually doing anything usefull? it just fills the forum with sensless rubbish and makes it an unpleasant place for everyone, I can tell you that what we have with 1C is one of the only devfelopers still bothered to make anything resembling a flight simulator and it is peoples 'impatience' and sense of entitlement that forces the gaming industry down the path of console games and we will just end up with 'grand theft aero'

It sucked so bad that I didn't play it long enough to find all the annoying bugs.

LOL! Lets hope not! ;)

:D LOL at 'Grand Theft Aero' :D

I do understand where you are coming from but, if nothing else, this forum can act as a warning to other curious people who consider spending money on Cliffs of Dover... meanwhile they can then hop over to the 1946 forum and be enticed by the best simulator to ever grace the market.

As I have said elsewhere... I WANT this to succeed, not only so I get my money's worth but, as you rightly point out, for the sake of the simming hobby itself but...

...Release a faulty product and then irritate the community with badly handled PR and reap the whirlwind!

The best that could come out of this is everyone gets a learning experience. :D

Yeah... it was 100% unadulterated poo when compared to true sims. :D I will say, though, that it did do everything it said it would and was a fairly bug free experience... not bad for an arcade game really.

Yeah it wil act as a warning ok, it will just warn everyone involved including developers that flight sims are an extremely volatile area and nobody will ever bother with them again.....hows that for a learning experience.

since when was the way to making something succeed was to berrate it mercilessly? instead of perhaps trying some encouragement.

I'll take yours instead!:mrgreen:

Not really at this point....

For example, there is no way to save any of the campaign progress. It does not seem to be an option or there is a bug and I have no option to save progress.

That is the kind of thing they need to fix to make it a game. Right now, it seems very cobbled together and incomplete.

Almost like somebody goofed off or concentrated on some concept that did not work out and then at the last minute tried to put something together to meet a deadline.

I like the potential and hope it works out. If CloD does come together and work as it should, I look forward to the whole series. I think the future of the series though rides on it. Otherwise, I recognize that hope dies last and CloD becomes a coaster for my glass of scotch.

Again, a fair point, but how about the hobby disappearing because the dev team can't do it properly? I'm sure they're not sat on the edge of their seats desperate for encouragement and approval.... if anything it seems they are courting the complete opposite.

I know the hobby is in danger.... but, then again, as the world becomes more moronic and driven by market forces alone, show me a hobby of any worth that isn't dying. There are many factors, that I won't go into here, for why that is happening on a worldwide scale and I'm fairly sure disgruntled customers on an obscure forum are not one of them :D

They would have my full support if they just stopped giving updates that have a whiff of the Nigerian Email Scam about them! Cut the promises and "two weeks", "Soon", "In a few days" rubbish... that is what is causing all the ill will! Sure... there are those out there who don't appreciate just how much work it takes/will take, how small the team is etc but that is life!

The weekly updates were 'demanded' by the impatient community who don't seem to have anything else in their lives but the F5 key.

So if you are ever faced with watching something you hold dear slowly dying right in front of you the best course of action would be to slap it round the face and constantly remind it it is failing at survival?

The weekly updates are a good opportunity for the developers to interact with their customer base. Interact with us is now vital to resolve the lack of trust given by the problems, to demonstrate as well as possible that they are working in the right direction. The fact that they don't use it well is a shame.

Maybe.. depends what mood I was in :D (Joke!)

Even the demands for updates.... at least that shows that the customer base are still passionate about their hobby! When the demanding stops..... then we really are in trouble!

Yet everytime they do interact with us they just get slammed for making excuses.

Perhaps.....I just wish there was more 'dignity' that the begging and demanding.

Well.. I long for the days when people had more dignity in whatever they did.... sadly that seems like a pipe dream in these days of reality TV and entitlement culture. ;) ...grumble...mumble..kids these days... etc :D

A very general and basic rule of marketing is that if your customers are not satisfied then you are doing something wrong.
Then you can say that the customers act like kids and i wouldn't necessarily agree, but from those kids are coming their money.

bingo

People shouldn't apologize for having a negative opinion about the lack of any positive progress on fixing this mess. Please, spare us the "hand wringing" about the forum being an unpleasant place because you jump in with both feet and feel you need to respond to every complaint. Your posts to complaints don't accomplish a darn thing either, they just fill up the forums with even more rubbish. I guess you have nothing better to do anyway. If it really bothered you that much you would just ignore it.


Well, we don't have a functioning flight sim now, so we have lost nothing. (except $50)

This is shameful, and above van banning people say what they think

Big Ann....what could it be?
 

Pure speculation but ponder this...although a different era...DCS beat them to it with Combined Arms

That rule applies to everything, if someone is complaining the someone is doing something wrong, hence why people are complaining about the whingeing....it's just wrong don't do it, ask for your money back from the developers and go on with your lives.

Agree 100%. Perfect explanation of my feelings.

You cant get your money back for CLOD, i tried.

Did you? care to share the process you wen't through and the resulting correspondence involved?

Steam do not give refunds.

That be the truth! Also, if bought in disk form, because it has to be activated via steam (Can only be done once per disk) you can't sell it to a second hand games shop either.

What about the 'sales of goods act' here in the UK that apparently cannot be overriden by 'terms and conditions agreements'

That only counts for things one actually 'owns'. Most software isn't technically owned by the purchaser.... they merely pay money to use the software. It's like a licence and, hence, doesn't come under the "Sale of goods act" otherwise I'd be hassling people for a refund of the TV licence. lol

Even if one could argue that one 'owns' the disk (If you bought it in box form) and, therefore, are entitled to an exchange and/or refund due to the product being faulty.... that doesn't cut any mustard either as the disk itself is undamaged and the software on the disk is in the condition it was on release and, therefore, is not legally faulty. Rather like trying to return a "Florence and the Machine" CD in a music shop because she is awful.... sorry... just because it sounds awful, the music is "as intended" :D (That shocked me! First time I heard that band I nearly took my TV back to Currys. lol)

This explains it all!

Edit: May be slightly OT, you judge


http://i.imgur.com/FXp9P.jpg

The frog resembles luthier (figuratively speaking), holding the baby beta (which is a freak). The skeleton, well that's us :p

Captions anyone?

Skeleton:

"Awww cmoooon, let us try it now. It's a little messed up, but its still a betadpole :p"

Frog:

"Two weeks, or over my dead body!"

Even if it is deemed OT that is a mighty fine picture and no mistake! :D

But surely if the game is as 'broken' as claimed then Steam would have no grounds to deny a refund, it's got nothing to do with the physical condition of the disk, back it all up with all the 'crash logs' you collected over the time and you have proof it doesn't work, the music comparisson doesn't work because at every music retail point you have the chance to listen to a sample so much more opportunity to research your purchase.

some interesting points and advice in this forum thread...

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...und-from-steam

Just reading Steams t's and C's and giving up at the first hurdle is not trying really.

Don't be so pedantic! Can't you see when a man is aching for an opportunity to take a swipe at hipster music? :D I suppose your point does answer the question "Why no demo?" though....

Your suggestions would be worth a go, probably, but I wouldn't expect much results... Steam are very possibly in league with the devil himself so their lawyers would run circles around most folks. :D

EDIT: "As with most downloadable software products, we do not offer refunds for purchases made through Steam - please review Section 4 of the Steam Subscriber Agreement for more information.
Steam Subscriber Agreement" Hmmm... that could offer hope to someone with a silver tongue, an eye for technicalities and a boxed edition. :D

Well Ok.....fair point, I so wanted to like Florence because it isn't rap or other crap Simon Cowell shoves in our ears but I just can't warm to it.

People seem to have endless energy for complaining on this forum so why do they chicken out just because Steam has T's and C's?

Yeah.. I wanted to like them after hearing how "creative" they are. :D "Chicken in a basket" Kate Bush. :D

You know what, a year or so ago i would have thought that we would have been looking at pics of Hampdens,Whirlwinds or Lysanders etc etc etc apart from LA what ever.Am i the only one that feels like this,so much promised so little given. I feel HAD.
Ive backed this game up so much in the past(even telling my numerous Squad mates that all will be good in the end) when is the end of this joke(wanted to say bullshit but thought i would get banned)
Pics of the sequel what we dont want dont really work does it???
Want pics of the game(no we dont really!!) that we was promised.
I spent days trying to make missions for the die hard Squad mates over Christmas period(really got into it) XMAS PERIOD that was 6 months ago and nothing worked then and NOTHING has changed.I dont think they know the time people spend(that they cant get back) on trying to make this thing work.
Its soooo unimpressive now its boring.
I check this forum for the pilots page(which has some really interesting posts)and the skins page.
Apart from that its a joke.

Cheese

I would think you should be happy not too many have tried to get a refund. Can you imagine if everyone who was unhappy with the game got a refund? The only ones left here would be you,Ace,robtek and a few ATAG guys. Not enough to fund a speak and spell version of the game.(even though I'm starting to think that's what the game was coded with...lol) Be thankful enough gamers got the shaft.

As Blackdog_kt pointed out in page 9 of this thread, it seems i can ask questions about the update in a polite way.I also have the right to express if i am displeased or not with this update. So here i go:
The question to the Devs team is the following: although vague in the update, can the Devs confirm there will be a a solid patch that will solve most bugs that are forwarded the last six months and earlier?
Will this patch be released in a reasonable time, such as 1 month or 2 monthts the latest?
If i get a possitive answer on both questions i will be a happy custumor.If i get no answer, i want to use my right to be displeased and in that case i would suggest to the Devs to hire a bus, cross the channel, where they will see at Biggin Hill, Hawkinge etc... the following grave:

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...ooo/kruis5.jpg

:rolleyes: ;)

Not to point out any one person, but if you are still shaking your pom poms for this development team, you have an overdeveloped sense of customer loyalty and a profound lack of self-awareness while being played the fool.:???:

I looked at the Russian forum this morning and found that most of the posts are all-a-giggle about the upcoming Battle for Moscow and really thrilled about the LA-5.

Very little negativity as in this forum regarding lack of the next patch. Most of the discussion is about the LA-5 and guessing that there will be a FW-109 in the works.

Two different market wants?

Two different market expectations?

I wonder which one will carry the most weight?

Just asking.

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http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/s...ck/bellend.jpg

Geez Ace, couldn't you have at least faked my name in there before you re-gifted it?

I haven't gone by you in years. I hear you still do though.

This is a discussion thread for the update.
Some of you might want to revisit what you have posted. Just saying.

Hey Catseye,

The "fans" of pc ww2 cfs in the euro and americas seem to be hell bent on making the genre extinct.

Remember that georgous train they made and so many flamed it... there doing the same to new planes now!


And by the way...if there not flying or buying the sequel we should charge for there forum use.

That makes me speechless bongodriver! How many posts have you written? About 1800? Do YOU have a life?

Why? does a post count quantify as evidence?

Love the La5 screens, looking forward to the sequel, will buy it right away.
A great patch is coming for CLOD! HSFX 6 for IL21946 is out! Ghost Skies Online war west front 1944 stage 2 is starting tonight! URU squad is running a great DCG campaign with iL2 4.11.1!
I dont even have time to complain.
Life is sweet. Thank you 1C and Il2 comunitty!

Good to hear from you Luthier

I know what you mean.

Did you know some people paid as little as $17.00 for COD.

Geting a decent paint job on my car would be $10,000 at todays rates, by the time I could get it to way I would like your looking at close to $20,000

I just spent about $7,500 on a new outboard for my boat.

And every so often I get the erge to get a medical and renew the currency on my pilots license. Cheapest plane is about $170AUD an hour, without an instructor.

At that rate CODs saved me nearly $46,000! And I spend about half the time flying in COD as I would like. I only get to snatch an hour hear and there throughout the week. Oh the joys of family!

Hope they get that patch out soon. It will cost us a fortune if they don't!

I had my class 1 medical renewal today £240 bloody quid because my audiogram and ecg were due.

Sorry, but this is simply untrue. Steam do - depending on the circumstances - provide refunds. Prehaps your local laws allow them to sidestep the request, but this is certainly not the case where I live.

Back on topic:

The new plane looks alright, it's a bit disappointing further fixes are not yet available. However I did buy the game with the understanding there were issues.
...and so we wait.

LOL, so you like the "no patch this week it´s the end of the world!!" posts better i presume.

But, you see, it is not the end of the world for me, i know there will be a patch, and further development of CLOD, i enjoy CLOD as it is right now, and i am still having a blast with IL2 1946, and im sure i will for many more years, even when clod gets better and better.

In fact i been having so many hours of fun for many years with IL2 1946 that i will keep supporting the developer, because they did it once and i´m sure they will do it again with CLOD and its sequels.

So, if I respect your right to be angry please respect my right to be happy, thank you.

I'm so thankful that I've finally realized I haven't any reason to be disappointed in the direction CoD's development. Before it being driven home so forcefully by some posters here, I never knew paint jobs were so expensive, family so valuable, life so blessed that the few dollars I spent on this sim rules out any reason to be disappointed. As an end user, I feel so responsible now for the lack of a final patch because of negative thoughts. I'm sorry if I ever said anything to derail the development team's sense of self worth. I'm soooo sorry.

Somehow, it amuses me to see that people are complaining about a unfinished patch not being released, for a game they complain to be released unfinished....

Doesn´t work out with my logic-module...:confused::rolleyes::grin:

I´m so bored with this S...

why do you guys do nothing but whine and gripe? at least they are working on it, if you have so much time to fing cry over it why not help. honestly if you can't be part of the solution I guess you would rather cry over the problem. If you can't do anything to help than IMO you have no right to complain, again at least their working on it and trying their best to satisfy you people well the majority anyway not saying the same thing about everyone. If they didn't care there wouldn't even of been this small fix up patch to try and make people happy, they didn't even want to release it till it was complete which it wasn't and people are complaining that it's not good enough, well duh. This fix wasnt even a beta it was an Alpha, just they fell prey to the demand of people. It's like, cooking a turkey than complaining its cooking too slow so you eat it the way it is, than complain about horrible it taste, well no duh cuz it wasn't done cooking but just had to have it now. so please i ask, don't complain, let them do their job, you guys arnt making it any easier on them, you think they have it so easy that its something they should just be done with already? do some of you know how to program the kind of gaming engine they use? if you do than you should go be part of the solution and not the problem, otherwise stop your whining cuz your not helping anyone.

The gripe I have is: they do not commit enough man power to fix CloD. How do I know? Progress is much too slow.

The progress is too slow?
compared to what?
your insufficient patience maybe?
When your car is in the shop for repairs it is also ready when its ready, and if they find some more faults you have to live with them or wait until its done.

I disagree if you bought a car and they still had not fixed it in over a year, I think you would have every right to have a good winge:evil:

Anyone else think it's absolutley ludicrous that robtek keeps insulting everyone by say they lack patience because waiting for a year to use a product you purchased isn't patient enough? It's really getting old. If that isn't blatant fanboism I don't know what is.

You are on the right way to lead one more of these sensless discusions. A car is not a software.

Just let it be guys, we can´t change anything.






If every minute spent on discusions like this were used to create missions or whatever.... just imagine...

I fear you're rising to the bait Force10,any fool who had read all of yesterdays posts could only draw to one conclusion,Robtek is more than in his right to disagree,it is a free world.

i personally was surprised to see the La5 , because with that MG is leaving the scenario timeframe of the Battle of Moskau ( aka german operation Taifun and its soviet counteroffensive ).
So it will be again something from all but nothing complete , planesetwise ?! But this MMO thing is still somewhere behind the horizont.....

We will see when they will make the official announcement -that i really would have expected on june 22 , start of Barbarossa 41.

I'm happy because:

1. They are still working on patching the product

2. They have the motivation to get it right as the sequel depends on it in a big way

It is unfortunate that it's taking so long to fix but it seems that Luthier inherited a big mess that has taken big work to sort out. Given time all will come good.


Try multiplying any delivery estimates by 3 and feel the stress reduce.

TnkU4upd4teLuvLa5:)No109F:(?WTF!!!WenUfxPatch?

Is that Welsh Gaelic, Ploughman?

Bit different from the Irish variety. ;)

Its textspeak innit (lol)

You have selective memory it seems. You don`t mind others insulting Luthier/BlackSix or posting impolite complaints for multiple pages. The only thing boring is your whining. Do others a favor and find something else to do in your life.

where is the patch update said in the title of this thread?
are they a link ?

Depending on what is said Monday?
Many others, along with myself, are
probably going to take yer advice.
Thanx for the Valet Ballet.:)

The same could be said for you.

Those in glass houses...

If - I said if - this game will be fixed, it will be outdated. Just now it look as 2006 game... :(

It is still the best looking WWII CFS, period!