Ridley Scott's Prometheus
 

Any sci fi fans here seen this yet? Went to see it today at Inverness Scotland in 3D, wont spoil it for those who have not seen it but as a fan of the series who saw the original Alien on its releases date I loved it ... I see some of the more Thespian on the net types are knocking it already and its by no means a perfect film, and its not a true prequel as has been openly said before by Ridley himself, its a prequel of sorts, for sure its one of the best looking sci fi or best looking films I've ever seen, the sets are amazing and they are apparently real sets, Ridley is not a fan of CGI where he can avoid it, this film deserves Oscar nominations (and I'm not a fan of the academy) for its sets if nothing else.

The 3D worked very well too, I'd love to say more but don't want to spoil it for anyone, all that I've mentioned in this post was stuff that was let out by Ridley himself prior to the films release.

Cant wait to see it again and its a definite for me once its out on Blu Ray.

What! It is out already!!!???? Lucky you!


Not yet where I live, I had to console myself with Snow White and the Huntsman :( :D :D

But I did not regret the film; finaly a Snow White and six dwarfs that kick some serious a... ROFL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROtBbOcdFxo


Thanks on the tip about Prometheus, I am looking forward to this film...
~S~

I watched it yesterday :D

It was a good film but I can't feel a little underwhelmed I had hoped it would be more like alien than aliens, but since the film is setting itself up nicely for a potential sequel time will tell.

Anyway good film, recommended.

I liked that :)

And yes the movie did get a first release in UK or parts of Europe first, in fact our Inverness cinema showed it at midnight 1st June on Thursday to stay within the release rules ... I wanted to go see it yesterday, but we agreed Today, Saturday 2nd June at the earliest showing would be good, so at 12 noon this long awaited movie was witnessed and it was enjoyed.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w...Prometheus.jpg

It was indeed good.

If you are a fan of the series, you have a treat ahead ... many Alien, Aliens fans were disappointed with subsequent follow ups, especially the AvP films, but this one is a winner ....again IMHO.

Official promo ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftuxbvGwiU

I think it was, without spoiling anything the best was left until last, James Cameron who made Aliens would have had less suspense and more action earlier, that's his style but not Ridleys :) Our Ridley is much more slow paced but equally as good as Camerons vision of the Xenomorph.

You are right though (and still without spoiling anything) the plot does leave an avenue open for yet another Alien prequel, and it might be a gauntlet thrown down to James Cameron by Ridley to do better in his action style? or Ridley to explore the plot in more depth in his own way.

But for sure I think the Alien franchise is now back on track after the silly AvP side excursions especially.

After his atrocious attempt at movie making called AVATAR, I bloody well hope he does not come back... I still cannot see why ppl like that film. The story was thinner than tesco ultra cheap toilet paper and everyone and there dog went to see it THE MIND BOGGLES!

Maybe its something to do with me growing up but while my older brothers still watch only action movies I am looking for a meaning behind the film or at least a very good action film... AVATAR bored the hell out of me.

Cameron said that he wasn't interested in the story of Avatar: merely the technology. So it was actually just a testing ground; albeit a very rewarding one.

It always makes me laugh when I remember speaking to a girl at a bar, and she asked me 'why did the Prime Minister make Avatar?'. Sadly she wasn't joking.

I hate you all! :(

That makes about as much sense burying yourself headfirst in sand to see what its like, yes it was a success but why risk it by scribbling two lines on a script and using it as a storyline after spending a lot of money on a new filming tech.

:-|

I agree the plot behind Avatar was weak also a rip off of other films, Dances with Wolves springs to mind, but not all films can be deep and meaningful, Avatar was OK for a switch off and chill visual treat if nothing else.

The reason I mentioned Cameron was because of Aliens of course, but Alien was still my favourite.


LOL.

I didn't understand that first bit of the film where that alien walks along a river, eats some poison then falls into the river, while a tear-drop shaped ship leaves orbit above ??

or was I watching another film ?? :grin:

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Some flaws in logic & plot , but I'd put it in the top ten of Sci-Fi Flicks I have seen & I've seen quite a few.Did not see it in 3D but didn't miss it either.Would definately see it again!

I think ....


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That was him actually creating our species

Really high production values but ultimately a dissatisfying film. A lot of it didn't gel and it could have been much better.

If it had been a stand alone film without the Alien franchise behind it then it may have been better, but I'm not convinced. There aren't many films I've finished watching and that "Oh, was that it?"

Just my opinion of course.

Hood

Maybe?

Its interesting to see how this movie has been finally received.

As a long time Alien/Aliens fan I still love it, but remember too, Ridley is not daft, he wants us to talk and think about this film.

He could have quite easily made it a direct seamless prequel to Alien ... and as far as I know that was his original intention ... sometimes I wish it was, but part's of me likes this tangent too.

Remember too that Bladedrunner was absolutely slated upon its release, by critics and fans of the genre too.

I think we will eventually get a Directors cut or different edit in a Blu ray release? remember too that Alien 3 was an odd movie to start with, but after its Dir cut ... it made a lot more sense.

+1
WTF?????
Somebody pm me the solution to the riddle pls...

The last time we had at least the monkeys jumping around the stone...(Space Odyssey) :D

Sci Fi effects: Amazing
Story: Excellent
The last 1/4 of the movie: dissapointing
The last scene (that thing that comes out): I was running out of the cinema screaming...the biggest dissapointment ever! LOL

~S~

It all makes a lot more sense the more you think about it.

I think too, that any sufficiently advanced civilisation would send to Earth many different crafts of all shapes and forms, after all, we can send up everything from Spitfires to F35's, why do we pick at an Alien movie that shows something different from the original concept?

Watched it opening night, it was a disappointment, sadly.

Maybe. We know it wasn't meant to be a direct prequel but there were too many questions that don't really lead anywhere and some aspects that didn't make sense. I hope that any follow up matches our expectations for this film.

To anyone who has yet to see it, go and see it but as a standalone film nothing to do with Alien. It might be more rewarding that way.

Hood

Its all good.

The more I think about it the more I think James Cameron should do an action addition to this prequel to appease the masses ... Scott and Cameron have already sat in a room and discussed this, so you never know!

Seriously, I always thought most fans off the series were more biased to Aliens action than Alien exploring But I like both types.

And finally after all these years I have a new Alien movie and am loving it and that's all that matters.

The spacecraft ok but, what was the reason he drank that thing? Self sacrifice, mistake, part of a plan?

And since we know much latter that they had masses of that thing and what they intended to use it for...

?????

~S~

SPOILER ALERT...





It shows the birth of the speices on earth, hence the line "sometimes, in order to create something, you must first destroy..."

END SPOILER ALERT...

Saw it on the opening night too...and whilst I would recommend it to others as a good film, I was a little dissappointed, and to be honest would have preferred there to be no link to the Alien series at all.

I understood what the 'creators' were trying to do, but just didn't care for any of the human characters, whether they lived or died...and what the captain of the ship did at the end, based on what she said (I mean, really???) and other completely un-rational decisions.

Defo worth a watch though.

.. so they created life on earth ... only to destroy it later with weird bio-weapons .. oh Boy! these guys ARE human! :grin:

BTW, I'm looking for the name of horror movie produced justa few years back. Story line - Man sacrifices some kids to send a house to hell but one escapes. Later the boy is killed in the house, spell is enacted, house and cast (as you'd know it) descends into .. naughty place .. where keeping a light on is the only protection from being eaten alive by wall-crawling demons. Loved it so much i want to buy the Bluray but ...

Help?

Watched this yesterday and really found the entire thing mind-boggling.

This movie opens up so many more questions, it does exactly what a Prequel should do. I am already awaiting the sequels in hope of having more questions answered.

Indeed, not a true horror movie like the original Alien, but more a pure science fiction movie, with really fascinating, great questions being brought to our very existance. Are we created by another species? Why? Who created them? Why did they want to destroy us?

This movie has really started some heated debates and discussions and I think this is exactly what Ridley Scott wanted. I don't care much about the characters, most were cannon fodder anyways. Fassbender really stood out as a great actor as the android David and Noomi played a very convincing role. The med-pod scene was just fantastic.

Either way, this is a big one and I hope they'll prove it by giving more answers AND questions in the sequels!

I'll be seeing it tomorrow, probably go twice....does anyone recommend Imax or 3d for this one? Have never seen a movie in 3d :)

I saw it in 3d, the second movie I have seen in 3d (first was Tintin). I thought it was quite good because it was not the main focus of the cinematography, it was kind of in the background rather than having shots made to wow the audience in 3d which I personally prefer. I think the film would work equally as well in 2d though.

:) Just watched it in 3d,all of 30 people in the whole place.Thoroughly enjoyed it ,worth seeing it for the sets on it s own.

I saw it Imax, it was amazing!


Hold on, it was Imax 3D...I presume you ask between normal 3D and Imax 3D
~S~

Its certainly the best 3D I've ever seen.

Heard it took 50 million in the first weekend of its US release and that's a pretty healthy take in the current global financial climate so we probably will see a sequel to this prequel of sorts in time :)

For sure its got everyone talking, I don't think Ridley likes crystal clear films, he likes folk to come away thinking about what they have just seen, but in saying that we'll probably get more answers in the inevitable Dir cut?

I'd advise anyone going to see it to forget about Alien/Aliens and imagine this is a separate entity perhaps in a parallel universe.

Yep, that's probably one of the biggest questions of the film, but I can imagine several answers, one being ... we are just too destructive like has been covered in The Day The Earth Stood Still (original version please ) and many other films of the genre, remember that our Human spacecraft in Prometheus were pretty advanced and really starting to go places and we can imagine our technology growing and growing in this films universe, perhaps the creators thought we were getting too big for our boots or were like an experimental virus out of control and had to be exterminated before the warmongering Humans populated more parts of the Universe? They could always go on to create a more peaceful species later ... I dunno.

Could be the Creator at the start was a renegade (terrorist?) Creator who deliberately set out to create a greedy warmongering human species against the wishes of its brothers?

In Sci Fi we can imagine any scenario, that's why its Science Fiction and not Science Fact.

Cant help you on that one, sorry but it does sound interesting.

Thinking back to Prometheus again, someone mentioned the med scene, that was pretty intense I agree ... also, nobody does a Sci Fi spaceship landing scene the way Ridley does ... just awesome :)

Unfortunately in Sci Fi any sort of "prequel" is asking for trouble. The idea of cashing in on a pre-existing fan base may seem tempting but you can never meet the expectations of the existing fans.

A good example of this is the series Caprica which, if it had been stand alone, had some really interesting concepts to explore. Unfortunately it was tied in as a prequel to BSG and was totally the wrong sort of series for BSG big action space opera fans, and hence crashed and burned in its first season.

I agree, lots of people are saying they didn't enjoy it but I think that coming out the cinema thinking and questioning the film is a better experience than being spoon fed all the answers! Also Ridley Scott always seems to give better versions in directors cuts so will look forward to the DVD release to see if there are more differences.

Apparantly there will be two more films along with Prometheus as kind of a prequel trilogy, hope that is true as I really enjoyed the first one!

Ok, I finally managed to watch it, and I still have mixed feelings about it (although it mildly influenced my dreams last night, so at least on a subconscious level I must have enjoyed it!).

I think there needs to be a distinction here between the Alien series fans and the newcomers though: it might all look very cool to people that never saw the Alien series, but for the others I'm sure you might have been left a bit puzzled with all the more or less evident quotes and references from the previous movies.. I mean, were they really necessary? I know they needed to create a series of hints for continuity, but they've done it in a sort of silly way.. I wonder whether it could have been written better (not to mention the weird plot holes here and there).

As a sci-fi film per se it was thoroughly enjoyable, but I was kind of expecting a more refined product. Alien and above all the completely misunderstood Alien 3 still remain my favourites.

And where do the Predators fit in ???? or do we forget about them ? :confused:

Back to reality and BOB flying! ... :grin:

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THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING:
http://www.the-editing-room.com/prometheus.html

( HOPE IT HASN'T BEEN POSTED ALREADY!)

SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS You've been warned.

This prequel is pretty epic in it's attempt (at least in comparison tt the the "knock off one by one" original Alien)... so much so, that it leaves the alien xenomorph as a relatively unimportant character. As a transpermia film with heavy religous connotations and undertones this film succeeds amazingly well. At it's heart it's about the creation of mankind, and apparent destruction of mankind by the Space Jockeys..... except something goes wrong with the SJ's plans and the xenomorphs kill their 'master.'

Was mankind to be destroyed arbitrarily because the creators can, as suggested by David and Shaw's boyfriend Hallywell's creation theory? Was mankind created because the SJ's could or was the creation of man an extention of the SJs ala God creating man out of an extention of love? Had mankind's cup of indignation been filled and were the Space Jockeys to destroy mankind for their deeds or was killing mankind arbitrary because the SJ's can??

An interview with Ridley suggested that mankind had killed a messenger 2000 years ago. They ommitted the reference to Christ in the movie, but if the idea of a 'divine' messenger was thought to be placed in the movie, I can easily continue the belief that this story is a sci fi/ alien version of the book of apocolypse/Revelation gone wrong. Maybe the destruction that was supposed to occur 2000 years ago was a destruction of mercy - thus saving mankind the dark ages, numerous plagues, world wars, and the threat of our own annialation.

We saw two space ships in the movie. One brought life, the other death. Will the original craft make a reappearance? I could even suppose they were sci fi versions of the throne of god. Revelations and Ezekiel detail two different types of throne rooms. Both movable IIRC.

At the end we're left with two survivors. One who is seeking answers to her faith. The other ... well, I'm not sure about David. LOL I don't think Shaw is on a mission of revenge, but instead seeking answers. She'll probably end up going all Ripley on them, but not immediately. I believe that there will be a beacon that the Nostromo answers, and it either comes from Shaw when she finally meets up with the SJs and the xenomorphs or from David. Remember Ash seems to have at least a cursery understanding that there are life forms, and he's to assure they are brought back to Earth. The planet Prometeus lands on isn't the same planet that the Nostromo lands on.

Despite the uneveness of some of the story, and the non-sensical actions of some of the crew I liked it. There are unanswered questions like the cave pictures and the apparent map for example, but I think they will be explained in the next installment.

The ultimate question in the Ridley Scott story is, where did we come from? We may not like the answers.

Pre prequel:
WEYLAND INDUSTRIES Crew Training Session:
http://io9.com/5920723/prometheus-ma...aining-session

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFYmv...Q&feature=plcp

"Its not about answers its about questions..."

Hahahaha!

What's wrong with duffle bags holding valuable irreplacable specimens?

And no security force on board ship, plus idiot scientists rushing in with no protocol, and not knowing what they signed on for, plus proto-facehuggers growing huge on air, and an evolutionary step being taken in one go (the alien at the end), plus why, when the SJ took off as quickly as possible, why did he seek revenge before going to get another ship, and can you run when you've just had your lower stomach muscles cut through etc etc.

The problem for me isn't the plot holes/questions that let it down it's the sheer lack of anything approaching even remotely what a real scientific exploration into the unknown would be like. It's a very well made and stunning looking film but it falls short of what I expected.

And the SJ at the beginning could be seeding life or seeding death - there is nothing to say it pre or post-dates events in the film. We don't even know if it's Earth. I have no idea if this has been covered in interviews etc.

Just my opinion of course.

Hood

Yeah, Shaws guts should have been splayed out all over the alien space dome/cover when she vaulted the seperation when the space ship tried to escape.

I concede I could be way off base, but I'm fairly well convinced that this is a sci-fi version of the christian creation/apocolypse. Through transpermia the Space Jockeys created life on the planet. Ridley has confirmed it's the begining of life we see in the opening sequence - though it may not be the planet earth we see. I don't see the point of it not being Earth, but whatever.

Through cave drawings we see that there has been contact during mankind's history. Could they have attempted to guide mankind thoughout time? Ridley also mentions an early concept of a messenger 2000 years ago - an allusion to the christ? I think he declined that idea because of a public uproar from christians, but in the movie we know that the SJs were destroyed about 2000 years ago (another reason I believe this to movie be analogous to the christian myth/story). There's a section in the gospel where Christ cries over the city of Jerusalem, lamenting that if they knew the time they were in and the peace he sought to give....... but he knew he was to be denied and killed - thus the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. (A foreshadow of the alien destruction by the xenomorphs?)

Now, it's easy to assume the SJs were going to destroy man out of revenge or for not living up to a standard they may have been trying to communicate to man. IMO, they could have been sent to destroy man to prevent the yet unknown horrors man would perpetuate upon himself. Due to what ever happened on the planet the SJs plans were foiled. Why one was left alive IDK? That's a plot hole that bothers me - among many.

Anyway, 2200 years pass and mankind is now capable of traveling in space. They arrive on this derelict planet to discover the history they imagine is nothing like the reality they see. The crew goes through their various stupidities and we discover Wayland is in fact still alive. The first thing mankind does is not ask what happened here, or are you our creators. Wayland asks for eternal life. Remember, Charlize's character bows/hugs her father while mentioning a king has his reign and dies, its the natural order of things (wildly paraphrased I know). It's easy to assume she's looking for power after her father passes, but it could be she either doesn't believe in the rainbow he's chasing or that what he's seeking is wrong, and only tacitly complies with him out of filael allegience.

Now, I write all the above to got to this one point, and if you've read this far you're a better man than I, Gunga Din. The last known history of mankind that the SJs were aware of was from 2000 years ago when man was killing each other with rocks and spears. Now here they are on the doorstep - the proverbial holy of holies - and instead of questioning their creators about who they are or any other myriad of questions one would ask the creator, Wayland demands eternal life (If you eat of the tree of life you will not die, but be as gods). Thus he shows mankind is still incapable of ruling himself in a peaceful manner and seeks his own selfish causes. There is no self sacrifice in him and demonstrates to the SJ that the right course of action was to destroy man 2000 years ago. Asking for eternal life would forever doom man to the horrors of his own mind and creations without the respite of death. Seeing that man is capable of space travel means they can further their destructive nature on other planets. so the SJ attempts to kill them and complete the mission of destroying mankind on Earth.


This movie is riddled with incredulous plot devises and strange behaviours by the humans, but thematically I find this portion to be pretty well done. I can still be way off the mark (and read between a whole lotta lines to base my opinion), and may be proven wrong, but this portion of the movie fits very well together for me despite all the other things that make me scratch my head.



Bear in mind I liked the movie "Knowing" and was sorely dissapointed when "Caprica" was cancelled. I enjoy a mix of theology and Sci Fi.

Believe it or not this happened in a place I worked, the original contract ran out and we were all offered a choice of three new contracts, most folk chose what was vaguely described as the easiest one, once we were all allocated they told us the three different contracts would have three levels of pay with the folk choosing the easiest getting the lowest ... this really happened, no union there so we/they were stuffed, fortunately I got on the best paying one but it was hard work, glad to be away from that company though.

I digress ... anyway, someone mentioned Alien 3, I do like the later Assembly Cut as its known, makes a lot more sense, as for Alien 4 Resurrection ... its actually not a bad sci fi film, just a poor Alien franchise one IMHO.

I'd say my preference for the original quadrilogy is as they came out, 1 2 3 and 4 just scraping in for a rainy days viewing, and in all cases later dir cuts.

Good comments here on Prometheus, it sure has got folk thinking and talking, think I'll go see it again before its run is finished and of course get the Blu Ray once its out and hope there are lots of extras and a dir cut :)

Just adding to this, did anyone go to the Alien War shows?

It started off here in Scotland in the early 90's but went on to London and other parts of the UK, basically its a mock up of the Aliens sets and you tour round it with some guys dressed as Marines and shouting harsh language at you, lots of dark corridors, smoke strobes, sirens and gunfire, when you meet the Alien in the dark its actually a guy dressed in the real costumes used in Aliens, they even do the scene with the proximity counter, 10 meters, 5 meters, 1 meter ... Get the **** down, the Alien appears out of the darkness and lots of gunfire then running!!!

It sounds funny writing this here, but it was easily the scariest thing I did in my life ... of course one of my friends claimed once we were out he was not scared but I checked his pulse and it was racing more than mine :)

They had lots of exhibits from the films on display at the show and I bought myself a 1/1 life size scale model of the Facehugger in Vinyl made by Halycyon I think it was? these are out of production now and quite rare, they had a 1/1 Pulse Rifle kit too, wish I'd bought it at the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_War

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6oCor2VsKE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmRDZRf0bns

Just dug out my old Halcyon 1/1 Face Hugger I bought back in 1992 at the Glasgow Alien War show that I mentioned in the post above, I started off assembling it back then (its made of soft pliable vinyl) and soon realised it would be a bit floppy, so made a sort of skeleton out of wire coat hangers and stuffed the body with tea towels as I recall? and also filled its tail with silicon as used for sealing windows and suchlike. I figured with a wire skeleton I can bend the fingers and pose it any way I want, even around someone's face :)

I never finished painting it and my skills back in 92 were even worse than they are now, but scale modelling is a major hobby here now, one day I'll strip off all that old paint and use my new airbrush to do justice to a model that is much sought after because its no longer in production ... wish I'd bought that 1/1 scale Pulse Rifle while I had the chance too, the Face Hugger kit even back in 92 cost me about £50.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w...s/DSCF0463.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w...s/DSCF0460.jpg

yuk! Love them facehuggers! The vaginal looks always gave me the creeps though lol

Stuff like this?

http://dummidumbwit.files.wordpress....wers.jpg?w=640

And this

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/20...de-d317nuh.jpg

Good creepy film, that one!

What the ship's techy has to say:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/a-series...-new-tech-guy/

Ahh - if only Mort Drucker was still at MAD:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...a_edited-1.jpg

Looks like we will get at least another 20-30 mins of Prometheus with the Blu and DVD release from what I'm hearing.

I am a fan of the Alien serie.

I went to see that one without knowing it was a prequel, just hearing that Ridley Scott did a new movie.

Obviously during the film (I hve to say very latte) I understood tht there was more than a resemblances btw Alien and those aliens.

However, I found the effects were cheap. The animated scene were poorly lighted.

Some of the characters were harshly presented and then full of conventions : the mechanics, the scientist, the heroïc captain etc..

The Medpod scene was for me the moment when the film slipped from "Ok we don't hve a lot of money but let's try to tell a good story" to "the producer want more blood, more action and want to cut in half the film, so let's do it altogether".
The girl has nothing like the talent of Sigourney.
The trick with the beheaded robot still talking has been already done by RS. Why does he hve to redo it in a so badly manner?
The rolling spaceship with both the stupid girls running straight forward is either a comic scene or a quick snapshot at RS misogyny (by the way the blonde & cold girl is absolutely saving much of the actor play). I was thinking such scene were seen only in kid's animated movies !

And the evolution scene with the little alien done in one day by a bubble gum like creature completly different in shape that was pulled itself out of a one of the character vagina would certainly woke up the poor Freud if the movie was displayed next to his tomb with the parallel of Girls anatomies with a drawers !

And the Alien is white with not an once of tan (yeah yeah, that you can see also trough too clearly - no need of Freud) !

But still I recommend all to see the film, just in expectation of the future.

~S!

PS: I think with all my respect that the old cohorte of movie makers shld step backward. I did admire their movies but now they are getting too old, too rich and too isolated; A bad mix for any artist.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Z3O3S1J4_D...ediumimage.jpg
dont you dare to say that or they will make the same to you