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mcler002 05-18-2012 05:20 PM

Interesting read
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...tland-18122594

Katana1000S 05-18-2012 06:29 PM

Thats interesting, I live pretty close to RAF Kinloss (The current government have closed the base down now actually, we flew Nimrods) linked to paint from WWII according to that news report, slow news day I guess?

If deactivating aircraft with that type of paint happened at Kinloss, in the 40's it happened all over the UK and world wide too.

Kinloss is very near a hippy commune called the Findhorn Foundation, don't know if they had anything to do with this spark of news though? But I know they were glad to see the back of the base that was there long before their commune was.

http://www.findhorn.org/

Katana1000S 05-18-2012 06:42 PM

Further looking at the claim.

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It is linked to the use of "glow in the dark" paint in aircraft from WWII.
Instruments coated with "glow in the dark" paint containing radium were burned and buried at the site.

I can remember glow in the dark toys from my childhood (I'm 52) what landmass are they under now and I've lived all over Europe?

I'd be more concerned about the dumping of Nuclear waste from UK power plants that has been going on for decades in Scotland.

Dounray anyone.

whoarmongar 05-18-2012 07:29 PM

This is not just a scottish issue , although this site is a major concern due to soil erosion causing the buried material to become exposed and disperse contaminating the area.

The radium is not particularly dangerous unless particles are ingested ot inhaled or long exposure to the skin ie under finger nails etc.

The MOD`s attitude has been frankly disgusting, denying responsibility, not keeping proper records of the contaminated sites, and not supplying information to concerned authorities or even developers who have bought and developed former MOD land.

As far as the MOD is concerned if you have bought land that is potentialy contaminated its your problem, nothing to do with them !

The paint was not just used on instruments, even things like ammo containers was painted, or basically anything you may need to see or find at night.

All this stuff was broken burned and buried mostly at former RAF bases all over the place.

This story is going to run and run with the MOD using its usual tactics of deny and delay
until perhaps in about 15-20 yrs some sort of commitee or inquiry will condemn there actions, the MOD will then "deeply regret" and admit "mistakes were made" and that "record keeping" was poor, and they will make "every endevour to locate and monitor these sites" and that "public safety was never compomised" and everyone will say "Oh thats ok then" and go back to wondering who will win the footie, and what celebrity is sleeping with who.

Katana1000S 05-19-2012 02:22 AM

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This story is going to run and run with the MOD using its usual tactics of deny and delay
No its not. If your looking for more daft conspiracy related ideas, go look at (former ) RAF Machrihanish on the West Coast of Scotland, if anywhere is ultra radioactive , look there ... Kinloss because of glow in the dark dials from WW2 aircraft activity, someone's having a laugh.


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until perhaps in about 15-20 yrs some sort of commitee or inquiry will condemn there actions, the MOD will then "deeply regret" and admit "mistakes were made" and that "record keeping" was poor, and they will make "every endevour to locate and monitor these sites" and that "public safety was never compomised" and everyone will say "Oh thats ok then" and go back to wondering who will win the footie, and what celebrity is sleeping with who.
OH OK, but tomorrow, the next day or weeks or months after, this will be a non issue, I live beside the place, we'd have heard about it if it were a serious threat.

Bye bye.

whoarmongar 05-19-2012 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Katana1000S (Post 427402)




OH OK, but tomorrow, the next day or weeks or months after, this will be a non issue, I live beside the place, we'd have heard about it if it were a serious threat.

Well if you havnt heard about it pay more attention,
Its in the national papers
Its on bbc news
The bbc did a half hour program on this issue two weeks ago.
This like the radioactive waste will not stay buried
Maybe just bury your head instead.

Katana1000S 05-19-2012 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoarmongar (Post 427412)
Well if you havnt heard about it pay more attention,
Its in the national papers
Its on bbc news
The bbc did a half hour program on this issue two weeks ago.
This like the radioactive waste will not stay buried
Maybe just bury your head instead.

LOL.well lets have a look at our local newspaper for this astonishing news

Northern Scot ... Ouch nothing there about this.

http://www.northern-scot.co.uk/Home/

You keep swooping by the issue I live here, but you know better?

Seriously, you say this massive issue was on BBC, if so what channel and when, if it was important it will be on Iplayer.

Katana1000S 05-19-2012 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoarmongar (Post 427412)
Well if you havnt heard about it pay more attention,
Its in the national papers
Its on bbc news
The bbc did a half hour program on this issue two weeks ago.
This like the radioactive waste will not stay buried
Maybe just bury your head instead.

I'm being honest, I live beside Kinloss, if you can provide full details of this story I'll pass them to my friend at the Northern Scot office.

Thats a promise.

But rest assured, and my late dad finished his 21 year RAF career at ex RAF Kinloss, nobody up here knows about this conspiracy.

whoarmongar 05-19-2012 08:24 AM

Try this for starters

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ating-uk-sites

Search from there.

Then you may wish to google radium.

Google is your friend.

I dont think this is a conspiracy, its just something that happened in the fifties and was conveniently forgotten.

Katana1000S 05-19-2012 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoarmongar (Post 427440)
Try this for starters

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ating-uk-sites

Search from there.

Then you may wish to google radium.

Google is your friend.

I dont think this is a conspiracy, its just something that happened in the fifties and was conveniently forgotten.

And if you look back at your, or your favourite newspapers nonsense claim, it was all about the radioctive glow at night dials from that era ... minescule.

Pilot instruments from that era used that, so did every day wrist watches.

Like I said kids from that era had glow in the dark toys with more harmful radiation.

http://www.plaidstallions.com/halloween/glowremco.jpg

No fuss there, but tiny markers that glowed in the dark to mark incremental of hight, speed or whatever, then we have an issue on that instruments disposal?

Get a grip mate.

Youre story is a non story, stop being sensational, digging a hole and let it go.

Or go work for the Daily Mail.

Katana1000S 05-19-2012 09:16 AM

PS: I called this into the Northern Scot office this morning. my friend is not working today, pointed to this thread and they took notes but confirmed, there have been no such issues reported as regards the OP's claims at Kinloss at this time.

Thee_oddball 05-19-2012 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katana1000S (Post 427445)
PS: I called this into the Northern Scot office this morning. my friend is not working today, pointed to this thread and they took notes but confirmed, there have been no such issues reported as regards the OP's claims at Kinloss at this time.

sure sure Katana..next you will be trying to cover up the alien ship that was dug up in the London subway in the 60's....after being there for 5 million years!!!! ;):-P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5xPvFjPhkQ

Katana1000S 05-22-2012 07:29 AM

LOL.

It actually made North Tonight (our local TV news on ITV) last night as a third or fourth story, only now there is supposed to be mustard gas dumped there too :) Next week it will be anthrax too no doubt.

They even interviewed an ex Nimrod captain from nearby Forres who served at Kinloss most of his career and its all news to him ... I still maintain slow news day for the paper that released it and a storm in a tea cup, however the MoD have agreed to investigate it, so that's another waste of tax payers money right there, nobody from the area seems to be having any ill effects from long term living in the area, even the nearby hippy commune and if burying of those dials with minuscule glow in the dark marker points radioactivity did happen, then I'll wager it happened on nearly all UK RAF bases too.

The Army are due to start moving in to (ex) RAF Kinloss next month I think it is, no doubt this story will fizzle and die shortly, certainly its got nothing on colossal amounts of radio active material / nuclear waste that was dumped all over Scotland from all parts of the UK for decades ... no one gave a damn about that.

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sure sure Katana..next you will be trying to cover up ........
I'm not trying to cover anything up mate, no doubt those minuscule amounts were buried there, but my point all along was, lets get a grip, the amounts were probably harmless, we had wrist watches like those dials years ago and nobody worried, but there is a certain amount of paranoia about any kind of radioactivity and its waste, its something we are going to have to get used to overcome the energy crisis in the UK, saw on the national news last night that some nuclear power plants that were due to close soon are now not going to, we really need to build more of them to be honest, our gas fields wont last forever and it seems like every other week in the UK we are told gas and electric bills are due to rise again, and its always like 12%, 25% and so on.

We've all learned lessons from Chernobyl and building nuclear power plants in earhtquake hazard zones as in Japan, we are decades on from that and must be able to build safer with better redundancy, lets not forget 99% of all nuclear power reactors have worked faultlessly in country's with high safety standards since they were built ... lets not forget too that the source of power for the whole planet since its beginning (The sun) is one massive nuclear furnace.

I'd go as far as to say the widespread dumping of Asbestos was and is more of a threat than the tiny amounts of radio active material used on old glow in the dark aviation instruments that must originate from the bases WW2 history? The Nimrods and even the Shackletons from as far as back as 1970's never used these, so it must be from the wartime Lancasters. Wimpeys and other aircraft that were based there.


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