We and you deserve it
 

It would be nice of 1C if at the time bugs get finally sorted out - sure they will get in a pristine and bright springtime morning - there would be some type of, lets call it, 'reward' for the CoD community as a whole after all the patience showed and free bug finding contribution & patch testing time expent by hundreds and hundreds of CoD simmers. Mainly when an expected fully playable and enjoyable sim was what all of us had payed for, a long, long time ago. And things turned out to be a very different way, weren't they?.

Let me put it this way: in any other industry - engineering, legal, architecture, ... - a more than unsufficiently tested 'final' product handed to the client as the final and working product, having been already paid the whole accorded price for it, is, at least, the start flag waving for a huge and long legal and financial trouble for the producer company. Not taking into account the marketing disaster coming along with it, given news would burn like powder in the media, fueled by other companies competing in the same niche.

Well, we are CoD's final clients and no big trouble for 1C, IMHO, but a handful of more than sad and logically unpatient and therefore frustrated simmers complaints - that nevertheless keep up their loyalty to CoD - have arisen so far. And most of the critics have been checked so reasonable and close to the real truth they are not to blame most of times.

Not only do we keep cheering up every update through all these years - yes, no weeks, months, but years! - but we put up with the broken expectatives of failling patches, take the time and effort to help 1C - once and again - with bug reporting (now @ il2bugtracker.com but at the different forums before), emailing crash dump files and again to wait for next friday or else.

I don't think I am exagerating not even a tiny bit, but naturally I may be wrong though, if I reasonably conclude that all explained above is the closest thing you'll find to REAL LOVE by a sim community for a sim like CoD!!

Real Love to a fantastic-yet-to-be-but-getting-increasingly-closer product, our beloved CoD, and all of you at the other side of the mirror: Black6, Luthier, etc.. and the 1C team. Don´t want to forget moderator's unpayable job too.

As for myself, the time and effort 1C members put in the sim is undoubtedly huge, but you get paid for it, my friends. We don't but we are certainly working along with you, shoulder to shoulder ... for years. And you, people at 1C DO KNOW IT, ARE AWARE OF IT or "put it any other way else".

So, please, open your russian hearts and finally admit we deserve it, in any way and whenever you decide it to be. But let it be.

Not thinking of a free BoM copy - he, he - but ... I don't know but sure you're creative enough to find the way to let us feel you appreciate our deep heartlyfelt long time support.

Did you think getting CoD to its brillant & outstanding future final status was a big challenge and once you get it, that was it? Please put the sweetest cherry on top your/our cake to end it up.

You also deserve it.

AA_Engadin

We will be compensated... The compensation will be we have a sim we all want to fly... Know of any other WW2 flightsims with as much scope as this? Please share it!

I know what your saying but as you said each industry is different... ;) Dont get me wrong, I pull my hair out and scream etc when the game fluffs up but this is what we have and this is the future, so buckle up!

I'm sure that if your average flight sim developer made as much profit as your average lawyer, architect or engineer, they'd be happy to oblige.

A study of basic economics will reveal why, for 1C or any other developer to do as you suggest, would very shortly render them out of business.

There will be plenty of time to think about this before the sim is anywhere near that.

Well said.

I don't know what those guys are making money wise but they haven't had any real infux of cash in to their business since the last release. Unless there is something I am missing they're not in it for the big bucks.

It is too bad you were not around for the past 10 or so years of IL-2.. Where 1C realesed several patches that not only fixxed bugs but included new planes and maps free of charge. Than you wouldn't have had to even post this thread.

... not to mention about business consultancy ... but in that other businesses you get what you pay, mostly, at a certain date and under certain conditions, given the exorbitant amounts of money involved and the huge risks providers run.

I was not talking about money, anyway, but about realizing & recognizing what we, the customers, have done and are doing for 1C: just as clear as this. You win with our money, effort, patience and hope, so please, realize it is fair to let us win something beyond what we should already have and still don't.

Guess times are not for money falling off their pockets and it may sound hilarious asking for a little gift in the shape of ..... name it! An additional plane, another map or a better one, certain nice looking feature or sound, moving troops, so many to mention!

AA_Engadin

well said AOA.
Those were good times,I never complained once. :grin:
Lets remember this another 7-10 years from now.The one thing i can say for sure about this community is that we have all grown old together over the years and i wouldnt trade it for anything.The friends that are made here last a lifetime on and off the gaming field.It funny how i consider most of you better friends than the moron up the road who just waves as they drive by you.If im not in lobby for a few days i get phone calls to see if all is well.You cant beat that anywhere.

im compensated just for being here

I also want to add a BIG THANK YOU and SALUTE to TD for keeping il2 1946 flying with new content and patches.you guys kick ass!!

As different as all of us here are.. We all do have one thing in common.. Flight Sim Sickness! ;)

I truly wish each and every member of the team be advised that once Cliffs of Dover is signed off as "complete" ie as originally intended: gameplay, coding performance & stability, ALL features finished in good fashion, added flyables for both sides, FM's & DM's measuring up for all a/c, cockpits corrected, animations completed, and...wait for it...a freacking COOP mission(s).........then each member receive a HUGE bonus spelled out in actual rubles/Euros/US dollars for each. Positive incentive here would be a good thing.

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Hi AoA, I am here - well I mean around as this forum wasn't even in our wildest dreams then - since the EAW and Jane's WWII fighters, the combatsim.com forums and Microsoft's The Zone - equivalent then to HL today - times. Been along with Il-2 and here I am with all of you, and I'm glad aswell.

But I am shy when asking for something for free to someone I don't happen to know in person *sigh*. If you are more brave than me, at least on this matter, 'the mics are open to your requests' ;o). That's why I left it to the 1C team's imagination to give all of us a big surprise.

Like some others said before: our reward will be another Sim we are able to play. There aren't many good ones around.

If I could ask for a reward I'd love if they add the SU-26 so we can test the FM and have fun with a real aerobatics plane.

always more, of course having the best WWII sim ever made is not enough, concerning the SU-26 they should sell it as a dlc, that's it, and start a new addon biz model. ^^ иди сюда A2A

Of course, +1 here.

+1 Besides that, the SU-26 was being advertised as something that would ship with the game, so having it rolled into a patch for COD would be a good move for 1C.

i cant wait to see how the p40 will be.best plane of all time imho

It looks to me that this has been a difficult and probably extremely expensive process to fix this problematic game.

When it's all said and done, I think we'll be lucky for them to still be in business, let alone be healthy enough financially to hand out a bunch of rebates.

I remember it's release in Forgotten Battles and it blew up when traveling over 500 kph. LOL Took a bit to fix, but 1C finally got it right. LOVE that plane. I can't wait to see the new itineration of the famous bird too.


I don't need a reward for the finished game. As frustrated as we can be as fanatics, I bet the developers and publishers are even more frustrated. I have no reason to believe they've not been working on the game as hard as they say they are. If they finally hit their stride and are making headway quickly, I think we'll have a cracking game. That's enough for me.

There`s nothing wrong with expecting that 1C will give its customers some freebies. I expect it. It happened many times in IL2 Sturmovik history, should happen with CloD. Didn`t we get the Bf109E4 already? I don`t think it`s a secret that many of the buyers got CloD expecting more or less the same policy from 1C. Although it should be well known that it can`t satisfy everyone. The free addons were almost exclusively threatre of operations oriented, so we couldn`t get a P63 for a looooooong time, but there are many variants of the same aircraft. For example the Yak-1 which filled a gaping hole in the winter campaing of 1942 I think.

That is why we need to finally get the game working 100% features and stable. Then the community can take over as they did the last time.

Seriously, I would have no problem paying up to 200 bucks for each installment in the future if 1C Maddox Games follows the policy established with the original IL2. I must have logged over 10.000 hours over 10 years with the last sim, so that money (even 1000 bucks for all titles of the last series combined) would be a bargain considering the amount of enterntainment value taken out of it.

I mean, Flight sims like this are clearly geared at a very small market. Trying to sell this product at usuall game market prices can't work in the long run. To make that a profitable enterprise they lack bulk sales, even if this game had been 100 percent bug free in the beginning. If the quality fits, I'd be paying accodingly. I recon most ppl flying in this sub genre would do so as well. Even more so given the fact most users here are not some teenagers with a money problem, but grown up folks with a steady income.

I'd certainly prefer this model over potential DLCs, which might just fracture the community.

Purchase is completely optional - not compulsory.

Reading and responding to whining post are optional.

Smile and play soft music. It's going to be a great day.

My compensation or reward will be a healthy company that continues to build flight sims into the future, with such a slim market of quality sim builders, specially of WWII variety we can afford to lose these guys no matter how bumpy this journey has been...

That and a patch for our flight jackets that says we survived the Battle of Britain release :)

+1

Anti virus programs you renew every year or two. That generates revenue for them so I see no reasons game developers should not do it. Already a proven model that works.

The difference being the anti-virus programs work.

No they don't. But the reason they're available for your purchase is they make you think that. We entrepreneurs have to make a living off someone.

So that makes it ok that COD doesn't work, but they led us to believe it did when it was 1st sold?

honestly if they added any flyable planes even one that was already modeled as unflyable would be more than enough "reward"...

honestly the best thing after all of the stuff is cleaned up and other needed features added, would be to flesh out the flyable plane set, with planes that wont be seen in any up coming expansion....

hell i would even pay for this "reward" imagine a plane pack with any number of flyable and unflyable planes....

thats funny.. i consider Anti-Virus programs a giant joke.. and worst for your system then actual viruses..

Use your brain

seriously....i havent used an AV program in years...

Hmm - I've played IL2COD since the 1st day it was released (in Russia).

I guess I have the magical copy of the game that loaded? I must of had the magical copy of the game that made a dedicated server? Perhaps I had the magical copy of the game that made the FMB work to build missions?

Gosh I must be the lucky one!

But in all seriousness. Name one piece of software that was ever released without a single bug. Good luck with that.

I haven't contributed much in the way of bug fixing etc so i don't expect any reward, but a new plane with each patch would be nice, just like Il2.

If they produce a quality product with BOM, then I'm willing to pay a quality price. If other simmers, with more input & support, want to be rewarded with a cheaper game, i have no problems with that.

On a related topic, would more money go the Russian developers if BOM was sold online only (ie not stream). I also have no problem with this either.

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