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drewpee 05-09-2012 01:23 PM

Dogfighting frustration on ATAG
 
I have noticed with the new beta patch that shooting down an fighter ac is almost imposable. Flying on the ATAG server my kill ratio has always been around 6:1 and I land back at base most flights. Post patch it's down to almost 1:1 mostly flying 109's but also Spitts and Hurrys.
Last night I entered into about 12 dogfights most with the advantage. I believe I dominated most fights emptying my cannons and most mg in continuing passes. I didn't see a single ac go down (some were taken down in further action while heading home). I had three collisions with spits that destroyed my ac but the spit kept flying and one low stall. The score was 2.6 kills to 3 deaths.
Has any one els found it harder or am I just having a bad run?

CaptainDoggles 05-09-2012 01:46 PM

I find single-engine aircraft to be more durable (a little bit) but haven't found them to be overly difficult to down.

Last night, flying escort for a big bomber formation of 88's and 111's I got two spitfires - bounced one and got another one after a lengthy fight.

Sounds like it might be just a bad run? I did notice that my tracers aren't working any more, on my nose guns. Are you sure you're hitting?

Martin77 05-09-2012 01:52 PM

You´re right i think. I Noticed it too . The plane react much slower on joystick inputs and due to the the sensitivier side rudder so its harder for me to make small corrections to hit where i want. i fly 109 too

drewpee 05-09-2012 02:28 PM

I do tend to waste a lot of mg on snap shots and save cannon for close up and personal. I just started using Fraps to review engagements and I was getting some good hits. My gunnery skills are much better after playing COD. In fact the other night (pre patch) flying a Hurricane I downed 4 109's in about 4 mins, it was a thing of beauty. I jumped two ea chasing a Spit. It took a couple of burst to bring down the wingman. The other three were downed in a series of high deflection snap shots after they swooped around me like a pack of dogs. Every short burst was rewarded with an explosion and the ea disintegrating. Like I said a thing of beauty. I even got a screen shot of the chat window of the last three. Just wish I'd recorded it as it was my best ever flight.

CaptainDoggles 05-09-2012 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by drewpee (Post 422659)
I do tend to waste a lot of mg on snap shots and save cannon for close up and personal. I just started using Fraps to review engagements and I was getting some good hits. My gunnery skills are much better after playing COD. In fact the other night (pre patch) flying a Hurricane I downed 4 109's in about 4 mins, it was a thing of beauty. I jumped two ea chasing a Spit. It took a couple of burst to bring down the wingman. The other three were downed in a series of high deflection snap shots after they swooped around me like a pack of dogs. Every short burst was rewarded with an explosion and the ea disintegrating. Like I said a thing of beauty. I even got a screen shot of the chat window of the last three. Just wish I'd recorded it as it was my best ever flight.

:o Sounds like you're a better shot than me.

drewpee 05-09-2012 02:35 PM

I think lady luck was on my side that night. But as I said I'm hoping my bad aim is more the patch than me.

Ze-Jamz 05-09-2012 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by drewpee (Post 422659)
I do tend to waste a lot of mg on snap shots and save cannon for close up and personal. I just started using Fraps to review engagements and I was getting some good hits. My gunnery skills are much better after playing COD. In fact the other night (pre patch) flying a Hurricane I downed 4 109's in about 4 mins, it was a thing of beauty. I jumped two ea chasing a Spit. It took a couple of burst to bring down the wingman. The other three were downed in a series of high deflection snap shots after they swooped around me like a pack of dogs. Every short burst was rewarded with an explosion and the ea disintegrating. Like I said a thing of beauty. I even got a screen shot of the chat window of the last three. Just wish I'd recorded it as it was my best ever flight.

Lol, you got the upper hand on 3 109's who were all buzzing around yer?

those pilots must of suckeddddd big time me thinks ;)

I haven't found anything different in regards to bringing aircraft down, in fact most of the time im getting kills on Aircraft I don't even know about

CaptainDoggles 05-09-2012 03:06 PM

Blenheims, on the other hand, are still trivially easy to down. Don't even need cannons.

They need toughening up.

drewpee 05-09-2012 03:18 PM

The first ac I came across after installing the patch was a Blenheim. I opened up with my mg at 200 mts and took his starboard wing off after some nice puffs and an explosion:)

All down hill after that.

ATAG_MajorBorris 05-09-2012 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles (Post 422626)
I find single-engine aircraft to be more durable (a little bit) but haven't found them to be overly difficult to down.

Last night, flying escort for a big bomber formation of 88's and 111's I got two spitfires - bounced one and got another one after a lengthy fight.

Sounds like it might be just a bad run? I did notice that my tracers aren't working any more, on my nose guns. Are you sure you're hitting?

Sounds fun:cool:

Ze-Jamz 05-09-2012 03:25 PM

Have to agree they are a bit soft, been seeing a lot of erratic movement too by some bombers (AI)..anyone else have that?

CaptainDoggles 05-09-2012 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MajorBoris (Post 422696)
Sounds fun:cool:

The "lengthy fight" started at about 5000m near Boulogne when you guys were still getting into formation over Tramecourt. By the time I managed to push him down to the deck you guys were just about feet-wet near Calais.

I was well matched; he gave me a real run for my money.

That was a super fun sortie, for sure. I hope we do more human big-wings in the future.

ATAG_MajorBorris 05-09-2012 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles (Post 422744)
The "lengthy fight" started at about 5000m near Boulogne when you guys were still getting into formation over Tramecourt. By the time I managed to push him down to the deck you guys were just about feet-wet near Calais.

I was well matched; he gave me a real run for my money.

That was a super fun sortie, for sure. I hope we do more human big-wings in the future.

I agree Doggles, large coordinated flights of mixed combat types is what this sim was made for, since the patch has come out we can finaly start too practice these epic sorties that we all dreamed of when CoD was released.


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