Pre-Purchase DCS P-51 Now!
 

On it!

Thanks for heads up!! ;)

Downloading my beta right now :-)

Crap!

I am at work today and dont have a Torrent DL on my work PC.. Ill have to DL it when I get home

This is a welcome surprise :grin:

That video of 159th_Viper looks really smooth and nice.
Will try this one fo'sho.

they went a bit crazy with all the antennas on their 3d model (what the heck is the one between the landing gear bays supposed to be?!), but other than that it looks promising.

Downloading.......

So is this a stand alone deal or do I need one of their other sims to make it work?

Standalone.

Just what are you supposed to do with a P 51 procedure simulator, that has no other content that is applicable to the WW2 time frame?

Clod will be fixed long before the DCS guys have enough content and aircraft to make a P 51 sim viable.

Not dissing the actual P 51 model, we all know that DCS does a bang up job...

...of modeling one aircraft at a time.

So with their track record of one plane a year, at best, it will be 2 decades before any kind of WW2 sim worth playing emerges from the DCS studio.

And I will be long since gone and chatting with the guys who really flew them.

Methinks that DCS is in as much financial trouble as Maddox Games (and all combat flight simulation really) is and is releasing a P 51 to tap into the American fetish with this aircraft.


Have fun getting owned by A 10s.

Can someone leave a hint, if we receive a new terrain with it and what the air targets will be, please?


I guess DSC and especially the latest three releases are more simulation oriented. At that point CoD cant stand the challenge i guess, admitting that i just downloading the P51 atm, and havent played it, but A10, which is a hell of a simulation.
So the DSC series are developed at another background than Cod and thus no competitive .... imho.

As DSC is going to be implementing also 3rd party products like A2A, I ve no doubts that several oponents will rise soon.

You'll get DCS World with a Su-25T (beta/demo/whatever) and into that you'll install the P-51D that later requires the activation key.

Without key you will still get into the Mustang mission but in external view letting the AI fly - good for performance/design/model/whatever evaluation if nothing else.

Simple.. DUEL

Nothing like a same plane contest to highlight the difference in pilot skill levels! ;)

Had not even thought of that, but I've never liked same on same kinds of events in any case.

And I do retract my comment about DCS needing money, I forgot that their main income stream is simulations for the real military.

Finished installing!

First takeoff ,kind of embarrassing :oops:

Second takeoff, wow this bird can really fly :grin: (q to toggle guns)

It's worth it :cool:

Got Pictures? ;)

Probally too soon to ask.. but what is the online like?

Given a choice..

It is not my cup-o-tea either..

But when some noob is going on and on and on about how he can whoop your A.. There is nothing better than shooting him down in a same plane contest.. Because it removes one of the biggest excuses he could use as to why he lost..

Don't get me wrong!

He will still make excuses, but at least he can not use the 'your plane is better than mine' excuse! ;)

So until DCS gets some 'other' planes to shoot at.. I suspect you will see alot of DUEL servers up an running

Sorry ... i don't get it?

Shouldn't the Nellis map be the priority? But you cant talk to them, they will ban you if you complain :)

Still waiting for their FA/18 C next DCS module that it obviously is.

We could do some air racing! Who's up for that?

It's got HVARS, I had to buy it! ;)

I've got Black Shark, A-10, and even though I haven't been using them often I thought at less than $40 I'd buy it to support the developers.

Also we need some CAC Mustang skins ASAP!

Where's my copy of photoshop!

When I download it I'll report back!

Now we just need Thrustmaster to release a P51 grip for the Warthog joystick!!!

The 32 player limit for multiplayer sounds a bit restrictive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFYRK...ature=youtu.be


an old video not the current version...

I mean I get this frame of mind I really do, for me its just the appreciation of sim companies still putting stuff out. In the days of Call of Duty rehashed garbage, the thought of flying a P-51, even if its just fighting other P-51's or killing trains and other ground targets with the FM quality of ED makes, life good.
And the hint at 3rd parties developing WWII era "stuff"... well the future looks brighter...

That is another good idea.. I wonder if DCS has racing towers in their map building tools?

PS got it DL last night, but was too late, will install tonight

Anyone been able to go online with it yet?

I see they have the REAR WARNING RADAR light on the dash (that round looking thing just left of the gunsite)

I wonder if it actully works?

What with all the other radar stuff simulated in the DCS software this should be an easy thing to impliment.

I believe the radar is in the game, although I havent got into deep enough to confirm this, but it was talked about early on.

As for the racing towers, the tools for creating 3D objects are out, if they arent already made maybe that can be my first attempt :)

Yes they do!

Object wise would they have any armour that would resemble 1950's North Korean Tanks?

RAAF P-51D's and CAC-18' were right into ground attack right up until we got our Metors operational

WOOT

First Flight!

Landing I could walk away from! ;)

Boy.. if it didn't take DCS so long to put out a plane.. They could be a contender!

Hey Ace,

I'm still downloading the sim and won't be able to try it out till after work.

What was the installation like?

I read something about it requiring 'World of Planes'? Is that a seperate download or does it install it all automatically?

Cheers!

Here is my first go at a circuit in the DCS P51.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1r6z...layer_embedded

The Morse is actually an issue with the gear warning horn and deadzone on the throttle at Idle.

I'm still trying to get my HOTAS set up,, so not takeoffs and landings as yet. I've had a bit of a flyaround and strafed a few buildings and the terrain.

some quick observatrions.

The cockpit reflections in the canopy are really well done. Mirrors work and reflections of the polished airframe are great.

Sound is good except you can hear your rounds striking the water at a distance.

I'm not sure if I've been flying in a particularly flat area but I like the Cliffs of Dover terrain and water better. And the scale of buildings feels a bit too small. (maybe I just have to fly lower? :) )

I think I like the 'feeling of flight' better in Cliffs of dover too. In the DCS Mustang I get the feeling like I'm back in Janes WWII fighters. Also I haven't been able to find any documentation likes a pilots manual.

Not sure if it's just me but the cockpit instruments are a little bit blurry for me (even used my glasses!) and the white text on the cockpit writing and outlining strobes, not sure if it's an antialiasing issue.

It will be good to see how the beta evolves. Hope they let us merge our A10 and black shark installations!


Cheers!

P-51D Status

*** - Completed
** - Can be tested but some items can be incorrect because it's WIP
* - No use in testing. WIP and still in early stages.

1. The engine model

a) Heat distribution, cooling, etc * (We are working on it - this is a high priority)
b) Some aspects of mixture evaporation **

After an air start at altitude of more than 15,000-18,000 ft, a noticeable delay presents itself before engine starts firing due to low temperature - this will be done as heat distribution is completed.

c) Rammed/Unrammed/warm air * (Only rammed air now)
d) Engine overboost *
e) Engine overload *

2. Other systems

a) Finge moments *
b) Real trimmers *
c) Under carriage ***

Except for some minor things like latches for gear-down position (will be added soon).

d) Engine slow model (for start up and stop detailed modeling) **

There are some unfinished features that may not seem not right yet.

e) Overall performance is very close to accurate but radiator drag/thrust is not taken in account yet and it can affect the performance within several percents.
f) Guns and gun camera (Shift - F4) ballistics and harmonization ***
g) Sound - not all features are done, not all samples are used yet.
h) Damage model - WIP **

Generally, the systems have their damage models finished. Engine, controls, fuel system, fairing doors are still not ready. G-load structural damages is not tuned properly (Will be done ASAP). Dynamic pressure damages are not tuned yet for testing purposes.

i) WEP for engine - WIP * (no button for it, though the boost regulator is ready)
j) Anti-G suit. I do not know if it switched on or off in the current version... seems OFF to me. So only GLOC and GLOS ***
k) Position and Mach errors for IAS * (Please take in account that now CIAS rather than IAS is indicated!)
l) Electrical system is made as it must be excluding some minor loads. Ammeter shows the generator current, the battery can charge and discharge.

3. Instruments

This is the information only for cockpit instruments. Some instruments are not working because the systems they correspond to do not work yet.

a) K-14 gunsight ***
b) Gunnery equipment ***
c) Bombing equipment ***
d) Rocket equipment ***
e) Fuel System Controls ***
f) Hydraulic System Controls ***
g) Throttle Quadrant ***
h) Flaps and Landing Gear Controls ***
i) Engine Control Panel ***
j) Oxygen System Controls ***
k) Canopy Control ***
l) Rear Warning Radar ***
m) Lighting System ***
n) Heating and Defrosting System *
o) Flare Gun *
p) Carburetor Air Control *
q) Radiator/Oil Air Control *
r) Airspeed Indicator ***
s) Altimeter ***
t) Directional Gyro ***
u) Artificial Horizon ***
v) Rate-of-Climb Indicator ***
w) Manifold Pressure Gage ***
x) Remote Indicator Compass ***
y) Suction Gage ***
z) Clock ***
aa) Tachometer ***
ab) Bank-and-Turn Indicator ***
ac) Oil Temperature, Fuel and Oil Pressure Gage ***
ad) Carburetor Air Temperature ***
ae) Coolant Temperature***

4. Other

Buffeting and shaking will be added in the near future.
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'Buffeting and shaking will be added in the near future'

No visual vibration in the airframe even on start up, or is that just the video shots that I have seen not displaying this?

Not world of planes

DCS world

Install that first,than install the P51

I got an error when installing (64bit something, I saved the screen shot) but it didnt seem to affect anything.. it ran fine

buffeting? Let's hope it's high speed tail buffeting they're referring to, not stall buffeting..

DCS World
 

Just at the DCS site and someone has announced their 3rd Party Mig-21 bis!

One of my favourite looking jets!

Not sure how long before it will be released.

:)

Best FM and P51 so far.. Great job DCS.

Spent some time last night defining joystick axis and buttons..

Ya got to love the amount of options DCS gives ya.. But man it takes forever to get everything setup just right..

On that note, even after adj the joystick curves and dead bands.. The stick inputs are very Very VERY sensitive.. As in a little goes a long way.. That and I still don't think my force feedback is working?

I did try to get online last night, but, each time I tried to join it gave me some error.. login or password thingie.. So I ended up just playing offline a bit.. Hate that the AI in the P51 vs P51 quick mission allways starts out on my six! ;)

I did 'see' something last night that was to die for.. In the non painted P51, I looked out at the wing, and saw the reflection of a cloud in the wing! NICE!

Force feedback is not implemented in this beta.

Ah! Well that splains it! ;)

Thanks bongo!

Yep dogfights are kinda hard right now with "dead" stick (no ffb) but other than that it was definitely worth of money imho. Never has Mustang been this beautiful in any sim so far, details are just fantastic. Take-off and landings are in other league compared to cod and generally "feeling of flying" is great. I really wish they would make more ww2 fighters in future.

It has external lights and it's only a beta

;)

Just bought it and played around with it for two hours. 1st impression: marvellous!

Amazing level of detail (of course, it's DCS!), beautiful model and cockpit, great sounds, "feels" very nice up in the air.

is it right i heard somebody will make also the mig 21?

Yup, ED has started giving 3rd party addon licenses, and the Mig 21 is the first announced module.

Has DCS said anything wrt validating the FMs for 3rd party stuff?

That is allways the killer for 3rd party stuff, that is to say you can have all the 3D artest in the world making planes, but without a good FM.. They aint much good other than to look at

Wow, the first person bail out is amazing for this plane. I hope we can get this is Clod some day!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIL83...eature=related

Coincidently just found the same video myself. With everything I see I want this more, but wallet says no at the moment :P

I just couldn't pass this one up, and I'm seriously loving it. Although one of the few things that is an issue is the world is very sterile; it really brings a new appreciation of the great atmosphere that CloD brings to the table. I'm also beginning to feel like the current instant 1v1 dogfight is an impossible fight; Out of maybe 15 dogfights I've only shot him down once. :(

I know it's a beta and more things will be coming as well as changes, but I'm very impressed with the sounds, from the engine to the .50s. It may seem silly, but I'm really loving the muzzle flashes compared to CloD and the tracers seem more lifelike. However, I do really wish there was another ww2 fighter planned like a Fw 190, I think that really would make it awesome.

Loving the Mustang,Great news about The Mig,Can a Phantom be far behind??:)

i was thinking the sneaky 109`s in the background were a hint.
http://i.imgur.com/YnMJgl.jpg

Definately a beta,

On my system I get micro stutters when flying low over the ground. I wonder if performance issues is why they're limiting multiplayer to 32? (Sad - no online wars :( ) and the P-51's flight model is still in it's infancy and runs like it's on rails, but what else do you expect from a beta?

I wish COD would get similar reflections in the cockpit glass it's really cool!

The polished Aluminium skin looks great.

Cheers!

Using a ffb stick without ffb working yet i had to give up, but it seems very fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4g0P...layer_embedded

DCS P-51D Beta ... FSX with Guns
 

I just pre-ordered DCS P-51D with DCS World, so I was able to fly the Beta version, man I'm impressed.

They've taken the fidelity of FSX and added the ability to shoot and blow stuff up, not only that, you can shoot and blow stuff up in MP.

The P-51D is exquisite, the best 3D modelling I've seen in a sim and has a better FM and DM than anything I've used. If DCS was to add an adversay aircraft, like say the FW-190D :) hmmmm

Hurry up Illya ... I'm getn cold feet here

I think this thread breaches the new rules mate. Probably best to get rid of it before they read it. You speak of another product, which I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to. Best read the new rules and check it out yourself. Just a thought mate. Not having a shot at you. Don't want to see anyone get an infraction. Of course it could be my interpretation and therefore I could be wrong. Up to you.

I certainly hope not! The 'fidelity' in FSX is a joke.
I highly doubt they'd release anything that shitty to their customers.

He probably meant the switchology(?) realism.

HVARS are fun!

Interesting that they haven't implemented tree colision as yet! The trees in P-51 are fairly ugly up close.

I think I perfer the ones in COD.

No adversary aircraft? How do you compare FM? How much did this cost you? What missions are available?

Nevermind I am downloading this beta myself. We'll see what this is all aboot.

The only thing you need to know is

1) Gyro sight to fixed.
2) Rocket Counter dial to 1
3) Bomb/Rocket Selector to Rocket
4) Rocket Release Control to AUTO

and then "Holy Moses!" If that doesn't work you can always bounce your .50cal rounds of the hard packed ground into your targets soft underbelly! ;)

But do they flip over? :)

'switchology'...I like that word! :grin:

Really don't agree with you here.

It has some very nice points BUT it is still very much an early beta. The FM is simple, you set up the revs push the throttle forward and trim and you can basically forget the rudders and do some very violent manuvers.

Damage model has no colision with trees just like COD and the collision model with the ground isn't fully developed. Last night I preformed a hard belly landing I bounced up the steap slopew of a hill and half the plane sank into the ground and then I proceeded to slide and tumble (Half submerged) down the hill.

Eventually I did explode, but the airfame that was left proceeded in a similar mannor downwards.

I now just shot 6 HVARS into a building and the building was still intact without even a column of smoke,

I recon that when finished it will at least be as good as DCS A-10, and I am happy with my pre order, but it has a long way to go!

I'm not sure how immersive it will be flying the Mustang in a modern era map?

In my opinion COD has nothing to worry about in the WWII combat Flight Sim stakes! The two sims are just too different for a direct comparrison in that regard.

Cheers!

Be sure you disable rudder helper too, it's default to ON, it's in special menus.

Kick.. nay nudge the rudder a tad and she comes off the rails pretty quick! ;)

I got online last night, had to do the reg edit thing to fix it so I could join online.. But now I need to work on the start up sequence.. Sat on the runway and watch folks flying.. looked like fun.. I did notice the prop was not turning on the planes I was watching

Probally wont be able to do much with it this weekend, got some ol army buddies comming over and we will probally be out and about

I'll give it a try! :)

One of the daunting thing with DCS sims are the learning curves, I haven't been game to try a cold start as yet! But if I can learn how to take off in a Blehiem, I recon I can get this 'Stang up and running!

Now I'll be checking two web sites daily looking for patches!

There's an interactive training mission that will guide you through the start-up routine. It's a rather simple process actually.

did someone check 1.34 on that vid and what was visible?

The 109s? Yup! ;)

And yes, I've also seen a few other shots over on simhq. I hope they manage to get the 190 and the Fortress in soon, because my wallet is both itching and aching.

Did a quick video during one of my take-off and landing training sessions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUVz8...layer_embedded

They wont ban you for talking about another sim ... it's not a dictatorship ... I hope ;)

yeapp 109's-E

Did you have the simplified model active ( I didn't bother installing the simple model at all ) but I had to be sooo careful with rudder and throttle control just to get the thing airborne. I must have made about 3 three attempts. For me the FM is very twitcty and I like it.

At one point I attemped a landing, came in too high, so I executed missed approach. I applied too much throttle however and started oscillating all over the place. It's wansn't easy to stabalise like in CloD or 46.

I share your sentimants re competition, it's not CLoD and I don't think they have anything to worry about ... now. Because it all depends on what DCS do next. The DCS World system is pretty cool and I actaully prefer the idea of buying only the aircraft I want to fly and pluging it in to DCS World.

In all honesty, I would have only flown about 10 or so aircraft during my time with IL-2 1946, and seriously flown 5.

I think it's only a matter of time before we get more a/c and maps from DCS ... as it stands DCS have already asked the cumminuty to make 3rd party options AND get paid for it.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=87343

Mind you it's limited to missions, skins, sounds etc. but what if they opened this up to 3rd party developement of aircraft like MS did with FSX? Then we might see CLoD have some competition.

P51D generates alot of excitement
 

I saw an interesting statement today. And at this point, I have to agree

"ED has blown COD out of the water with the release of just one plane"
and it is the 1st BETA for the P51D! I have to agree, it is awesome....

Maybe COD will one day be flyable...but for now... I have a new Pony

uh, not really? Its just 1 plane, theres no missions and its flying around in the Crimean landscape, its a fun study plane but nothing more. COD has much more going for it.:)

Uh.... yes really... From what you just said... it is apparant you don't know what you are talking about.

40 bucks. 1 plane. Nothing to compare FM against. No coop. No nothing. You guys make absolutely ZERO sense. Its everything you complain about here and worse. The ground textures look so arcade and can only assume so is FM. I downloaded this morning. Will get the low-down on it in a few hours. But so far for what you're willing to spend for as little as you get makes me think you need help!

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Well sort of. What they are really doing is encouraging people to market separate third party commercial products and are happy for you to make a profit if you manage to sell any.

You tell 'em Doc! :grin:

Fired up the A-10 tonight just to remind myself. The whole environment looks far worse than old IL2.

Wouldn't want to fly anything in that dead place, let alone spend more money on it.

The thing that always got me was the developers said they were working on dedicated server files for A10. This was while it was a beta. So not only do you not have any environment to speak of, you can't even have a true MP experience on a real dedicated machine. AKA - you need a graphics card to run a server in that game.

I'm not buying it until they come through with the MP aspect. 2 years and counting :mad:

I think they are trying to get some of the FSX 3rd party devs over to DCS. Making a P51 was sort of a way of "showcasing" their engine and sim to the FSX A2A crowd.

I think they have a chance too because you can actually blow stuff up in DCS compared to FSX. But how large is the DCS community compared to FSX? My guess is FSX has many more potential customers so the 3rd party devs can make more cash. But it's a start.

Can't wait until we see some 3rd party stuff for CloD series, but I think we are still pretty far away sadly...

Might want to check your facts, Bliss.

The 159th and many other LOMAC/ DCS squads are running dedicated servers. Don't have the specs to hand... And you may be right about the dedi needing a GFX card..... But it IS doable and it is being done.

My facts are correct. It appears you don't quite understand what a real dedicated server is. 1st off the large majority of them are rack mounted machines that don't have video cards. These are located, for instance, like our dedicated machines with access to high amounts of bandwidth.

The only thing people are doing in A10 is running a home pc (AKA using their crappy home ISP) to host a MP game. If you can find one A10 server that has ever had over 50 players in it, I'll eat my shorts.

If you want me to conjure up the post from ED concerning my facts that I mentioned in the 1st post (AKA - dedicated server support) a simple google search can find it for you. Next time you might want to know the facts yourself.

Edit: Here's from ED's forums. Notice they even give the definition of what a dedicated server is and the value of having what is known in the industry as "dedicated server support".

Sorry Bliss. We're predominently a UK squad.

Our dedicated server is located at a server farm in California. How much more remote do you think we could get it?

We had a squad member in the area who handles the intial install of the server (including the fitting of a GFX card). He has now left the squad due to other commitments. The server is still running and the staff at the server farm are more than happy for it to do so.

Now I've been amember of the 159th since they formed in 2003, and although I'm no longer an active flyer, I'm still a member. I was also CO of the squad for about six years....... I really don't think you're in a position to tell me what my squad has or hasn't done with regard to dedicated servers.

I take it you don't read very well. Perhaps take another gander at the post from ED forums, the one I labeled "Dedicated Server". Your server is not the traditional dedicated server. The post, especially the part in bold talking about NOT USING A VIDEO CARD, highlights that.

Let me explain it a bit more simply. ED stated they were working on dedicated server support back when A10 was a beta. Then they showed the advantages of "dedicated server" files, even going as far as explaining what it is. One advantage happens to be that you DO NOT NEED a VIDEO CARD to run a server.

To this day you NEED A GFX Card to run a server for A10 - AKA, ED has not released dedicated server support for A10 yet. Perhaps read their own forums and you can learn all about it yourself.

I'm not interested in the history of your squad or anything you say tbh. My facts are just that, facts. ED has already explained them for you if you can take the time to read.

Edit: It appears the people at SimHq also appear to know what dedicated server support is.

From their own review of A10 found here: http://www.simhq.com/_air13/air_462g.html

Anyone fancy a beer?

Sounds like a fun study sim that has some potential to be WAY more. Wow is that a familiar sentiment......

I wsh they came out with some more aircraft to fly against. But I have a feeling that the "Legends of Flight" or what ever its called is going to be single releases of aircraft from different generations. My gut feeling is that the next in that series will be a F-86 Sabre. With no migs to fight, and only some ground missions to do.

Im holding out for "The PAtch" though Im still worried about the Red FM's getting a nerf. At least I wont Launcher crash anymore right? right.

Ah I see Bloss..... You're interested in YOUR facts rather than simple to implement ways to overcome an issue?


Well according to your facts, and purely looking at technical terminology you're quite right. Meanwhile in reality (with a little bit of intiative) our squad and many others are running dedicated servers in practice....... Oh sorry what would you call a server that's available 24/7 that's hosted in a rack at a remote server farm but has a GFX card fitted?


Just out of interest, do you go by the name of Mower on SimHQ forums?

Yes, my facts come straight from ED's mouth and are the lack of dedicated server files that ED stated they were working on almost 2 years ago, but haven't delivered yet. It appears it's SimHq's facts as well.

My name is the same on every forum.

We are certainly in for some very interesting weeks, months and years ahead! :) It looks like we will be spoilt for choices and I can only assume that it will put a bit of extra pressure on MG to get the patch out sooner, which is a good thing? Right?

I haven't got around to takeoffs yet, so I look forward to seeing the Mustang flys like in the lower end of the flight envelope. I've been flying with autorudder and the simulation settings options disabled.

Cheers!

Glass of wine for me Dutch:grin:

Oh, and I wouldn't spend one dime on DCS, it looks like something that could be done with mods in Il2 1946. vids on youtube don't impress me, and I've really tried to look at it with intent to buy but just couldn't, maybe I don't care for jets and missles, maybe DCS sounds too much like DLC!