Ignore the "patch" thread
 

It is old. from may 2011.

Check the dates.
Do not download from the links.

If you have steam and you accidentally downloaded - verify your game integrity.

Oh and LEARN TO READ!

this thread is intended to be helpful, not condescending.

i was fooled until i saw the megaupload link....then i checked the date...what was also suspect was the build number....but most of us want this patch that we see what we want to see....


i guess 1 C and all of us who went to megaupload for that old beta patch are criminals....

cuz of course megaupload has no lawful uses....

I downloaded the torrent. Good to see the ******* that repost this to troll got banned for however long.

report the individual...

other wise people need to pay attention....why would the version number of the new beta patch be so low...

why would one of the links be from mega upload??

it took me like 5 seconds after the page appeared on my screen to figure out that it was fake...in fact the MOMENT i noticed the post it was suspect with the low version or build number....

and then the megaupload link should have threw up more red flags....prompting you to look at the date....also the # of comments were unusual...

OH Boy I think it was funny and distracting. I don't think it deserved a ban, he said nothing about patch being ready. Its not his fault your all patch happy. Whom ever is upset about this joke needs to get out and get a life.

R u kidding? May 4th is 6 days away and each post indicates the post date on top of it. It is obvious that 2011 is the last year not the current year.
Is it really needed to spam the forums with a new thread like this?

What if the person went a step further and simply changed the dates and made a new topic with the link to the old file. I bet most people wouldnt have even read the notes before starting download.

I can post a new thread with a link to spyware. But is there any reason to download anything that does not come from B6 or luthier, does not have current date and reasonable readme text? People must take responsibility for their actions one day. It is called growing up.

When they do grow up they hopefully stop blaming the devs for purchasing a product they did not want to buy. Grown ups take responsibility for their actions. Kids blame others for their actions.

I agree. People have to take responsibility for their actions. I hope joker enjoys his banning because no one else is responsible for his actions except him. I did read the date of the topic and acted responsibly by not DLing the patch. Foobar's (I think it was him - could care less who) attempt was to trap people into doing what some did. It was malicious and at the very least mean spirited. Isn't there enough of that sh!t in this forum already?

Best would be the mods make a new section for old beta patches and store the threads there. So it's impossible to fake the release of a patch, any longer. The problem is not all looking for the date.:rolleyes:

So this whole beta patch was a joke played on us? Thank god I didnt delete my cache.

What a mean immature thing to do. It's always a great joke until it's you who gets stuffed around. To defend such a thing it like saying "she wore a short skirt so she deserved it". I love a joke but when it's at some one else's expense your not funny, your just a low life.

PS. Thanks for the warning pstile.

Well, having worked for many years with developing financial systems I must disagree... Everyone is not that "suspicious of mind" (like me for example ;)). You would be amazed at the stuff that intelligent users has tried to make over the years overriding explicit warning windows many times ;) That's of course just one of the reasons financial systems have validation checks in every layer of the system, but customer/employee errors with large amounts are more common than one may think!

And then we talk about stuff that if the system had not stopped the transaction further down the chain would lead to a lot worse stuff than applying an old necro bumped patch to CloD ;)

so, no beta patch is released, toys are thrown from pram and some "little miracle" decides to trawl old patch release threads, bumps them and bitch and whine and moan about not getting a beta patch released right now?

ip ban, surely? there's (arguably justified/arguably false sense of entitlement) griping and then there's being a worthless trolling scumbag.

Sorry, I have to laugh so hard! All the people shouting for a ban, you can't read?
He just commented on an old Thread and get banned?
What a Kindergarten....


Btw., look what beautiful buildings and vehicles he made for CloD...

So what......it's like building an orphanage and then burning it down.

Don't you think, you are (and all the ban-screamers) taking this all abit too serious? It seems this is almost religion to some people here on the boards.

the OP?
No.

Aren't you being a bit OTT with your reply?

To all
If you don't need appreciate or need the headline here then move on.
No need to be a five year old and leave rather pathetic comments. The thread is just here to quickly highlight the pitfall of not properly reading the other thread, and getting caught out, which a number of people seemed to have done.

How about we think a little bit more about looking after each other's interests, rather than just bagging people who might not have paid as much attention to the other thread as you did? Hmmm?

I totally agree mate.

It's beyond me as to how anyone can posess the mentality to think it was even remotely funny. What with the fake B6 post and now this, it gets old real fast especially for those that are eagerly awaiting the release of the patch to even make CloD playable.

This idiot obviously has far too much time on his hands and has some of the mentality of a person that finds it amusing to see peoples systems infected with a virus.

He knowingly got people to download and alter their CloD installation with old data...easily rectified I know, but that's not the point. I don't blame the people that did though. It's not the most important thing in the world but the release of the patch is eagerly awaited and very important to many here that are passionate about CloD and its future.

The forum has suffered enough in recent months without this sort of crap.

Why not lock all Beta and Patch threads from the beginning?
 

Why can't one of the Mod's lock the old Beta or Patch threads? This will stop someone from resurrecting an old Beta or Patch thread. I was caught out when someone else did the same thing about a week ago. Had a bit of a chuckle to myself but I do appreciate the other side as well. There are some very junior people on this forum that may not take notice of the date etc.
I believe someone has suggested in the past that when a Beta or Patch thread comes out it is immediately locked. At the end of the day, when a Beta or Patch thread comes out there is the myriad of thank you's for the first umpteen pages, then dozens of pages of arguments between members.
I just don't understand why we need to keep those threads open.
We now have something set up to report bugs, which should be enough to put in any whinges that people may have, including me.
Just a thought. ;)

But, like I said in another thread a bit off topic:

I do agree that it's childish, but at least Foo'bar bumped "his one" with:

"Unbelievable, all this is already 1 year ago. Feels like last month."

Which I must admit was a bit funny at least - and not pure evilness like pencons comment that was just done to confuse people into downloading it. The effect of bumping the old threads is however the same but as Foo'bar selected a date that is yet to come (4:th of may 2012 is not yet here in Sweden at least) even though there was the patch thread from the 27:th of april for him to "choose from" then as pencon had not bumped it yesterday... So - I think he did that deliberately to not fool anyone into downloading it?

EDIT:

And looking at the fact that Foo'bar has actually contributed to the actual CloD game with his marvelous trains gives him some "slack" for me at least (even though it was stupid!):

His stuff:

http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/

/Mazex

+1

Because everybody goes to the 'last page' on a patch thread to make sure they read the last members comments......

Bongodriver said: (with regard to Foobar's game contributions and bumping of the old patch)

>>So what......it's like building an orphanage and then burning it down. <<

I think you're absolutely right. A good point, well made, and an apt comparison to boot. It is exactly like that.

There was another good point here recently also....that the first release of Clod was groundbreaking in the same manner as the Wright Brother's first inaugural flight. Another good simile, and one we might all do well to bear in mind.

This is surely on that level. Well, said Bongodriver. It is about time people started to ignore the childish drivel and made this place a more rational and supportive forum.

Holy crap Ben.....how did you know I have a hangover?

my brain can't take this.......cranium is about to implode.....Ben......Nice........aaaaarrrrgghhh! :)

Joking of course

Good morning Ben, how are you on this windy grey day?

Fine thanks, I realised it was all getting too much and that a different approach was called for. To that end I will try and be supportive, not quarrelsome, and concentrate on the better underlying traits of this game...and its followers. In all honesty, they probably really do have the best interests of the game at heart, and are not as vituperative or cynical as I have been sometimes led to believe.

It is grey and windy here too, but where there is this forum, there is always a ray of sunshine. I like to think it harbours a diversity of views.

BTW, this is a genuine view, not an attempt at high sarcasm. I was reviewing my recent posts and came to this conclusion...

The banana yellow does sting the eyes somewhat...

Why pisseth against the pricks, right?

In all honesty, it was pretty hilarious :)

There is no point crying over spilt milk. The patch will be out when it's out and everyone is doign the best they can. The supporters are doign a good job of filtering out the critical noise, and allowing the devs to work in peace.

Sometimes you just have to assume the best, and not the worst.

Prevention is always better than cure, old patch threads should have links removed or coded to be non clickable, should not be stickied and should be locked on release of later versions.

Very true.


Sorry he was banned. Most people won't want to admit that they fooled themselves (not Foo'bar) into believing it was the patch. We all are waiting and is dificult not to rush at the first sign of the first news, but it is unfair to say it was evilness, or at least is too much forgiving with oneself naiveness. I let myself being caught BTW :)

On a different note, I liked also Falstaff's post. Just my thoughts :)

S!

I have discussed the issue in PM's with Pencon, and it was actually an accident.

Somehow, when searching for news on the patch, Pencon managed to find the old thread and installed the patch himself (oops!) and didn't realise his error (though he wondered about a lack of changes and sound bugs lol) until several PM's later.

So in fairness, it doesn't seem to have been deliberate either.

It feels so good to blame and punish others for your own decisions like upgrading a PC, purchasing CloD or downloading spyware from internet. Blaming others implies that they are bad guys but I am a much better guy compared to them. This is why it feels so good. E.g. dictators like Stalin or Hitler usually blamed and executed their generals for their own mistakes.

It is much more painful to take responsibility for a mistake and admit to yourself: "I can not pay attention when needed. I can not control my anxiety. I can not clearly think when excited. I need someone else like forum members or admins to tell me what to do because I can not make responsible decisions myself. I am not a grown up man yet."

No one can "get" you to purchase a game, upgrade a PC or download a file from internet. It is always you who make a bad decision unless you have a gun pointed at your head when you make it. Children do not make their own decisions of cause as adults make them for them. Then most of children grow up and learn to take responsibility.

People get banned for posting off topic replies which is less then this.

Ataros said:

>>It feels so good to blame and punish others for your own decisions like upgrading a PC, purchasing CloD or downloading spyware from internet. Blaming others implies that they are bad guys but I am a much better guy compared to them.<<

Yes, I can relate to this. We must guard against the insidious evil within ourselves, and be kind and considerate even when it i snot always easy.

>>This is why it feels so good. E.g. dictators like Stalin or Hitler usually blamed and executed their generals for their own mistakes.<<

A good and valid analogy. Couldn't have put it better myself.

>>It is much more painful to take responsibility for a mistake and admit to yourself: "I can not pay attention when needed. I can not control my anxiety. I can not clearly think when excited. I need someone else like forum members or admins to tell me what to do because I can not make responsible decisions myself. I am not a grown up man yet."<<

Absolutely.

>>No one can "get" you to purchase a game, upgrade a PC or download a file from internet. It is always you who make a bad decision unless you have a gun pointed at your head when you make it. Children do not make their own decisions of cause as adults make them for them. Then most of children grow up and learn to take responsibility. <<

Yes.

I sense a new solidarity in this forum, and that can only be a good thing for the future. Long may it continue.

I'm sorry, but while I believe that at an individual level people should indeed look long and hard at their actions and do everything they can to prevent mistakes, I also think that no one should act with malice and ill intent toward others and I don't subscribe to the kind of philosophy which tends to minimise the actions of others.

Yeah, it might sound nice to talk about liberty and agency (ignoring doubts about free will and determinism) and pretend you are an island impervious to all assault but in practice this ignores malice and ill intent on the part of others and actually CREATES SPACE for those misbehaviours.

It is both desirable in a practical sense and right that people should challenge the actions of others when malice or ill intent is suspected. It is what prevents and discourages those behaviours (alongside personal philosophies) and allows us to work toward a better world. There's nothing childish about that.

If anything is childish, it is trivialising and infantilising Hitler and Stalin. Those men did not commit the crimes that they did because they blamed others. They did so first because of profound personal corruption of their humanity and human values, and second because of certain truths about high public office that we do not like to admit (history does not always allow for being nice) and because of world views that they didn't create and we are embarressed to admit were held more widely (racism, geopolitics, our appetite for world domination).

If there's something to take out of the recurrence of war with WWII, it is not that the failure of individual men to take responsibility for their actions brings the world to calamity - it is that the failure of the collective to hold itself to account for its thoughts and actions spawns such men.

Let me ask you a question. If war is so unequivocally terrible, if it is only the deranged like Hitler and Stalin who desire it, then why are we sitting here replaying it? Part of holding yourself to account is holding yourself to account for a failure to challenge the actions of others.

I think this forum is undoubtedly part of that 'better world' if I may say so, now that the more immature elements are starting to diminish...

@Ataros

Very well said!!!!

@Falstaff

I'm afraid about your change of coat, from evil critisizer to fanboi in just one post.
I hope you'll find a intermediate setting :D :D :D.

Robtek said:

>>I'm afraid about your change of coat, from evil critisizer to fanboi in just one post. I hope you'll find a intermediate setting <<

I dont think things could continue the way they were, on this forum or elsewhere. A more positive mindset is much needed.

Let us not lock the gate after the horse has bolted. It must keep its head above water and not be thrown out with either the baby or the bathwater. Then the horse can go the extra mile into clear blue water.

‘Fair dinkum’, as we say in Russia

Or in France…’Pork Salut’….

LOL that's hilarious...........Muhaaaaahaaaaahaaaaaaa........ .:-P

To be honest I can't believe the amount of people that are sticking up for this stupid berk and his like!

IMO you are no better and just as sad.

I'm one of the people on here that isn't a prolific poster mainly because there are far too many bigoted loud mouthed 'know it alls' on here for me to be bothered getting into any arguments or even sensible discussion with. I'm also someone that has handed out a fair amount of polite stick to the Devs (or whoever is responsible) not only for the poor state of CloD but also for their poor handling, lack of communication, bull, and delaying tactics where releasing of the new patch is concerned.

I'm getting on a bit now (Victor Meldrew anyone :)), maybe that's why I'm unable to comprehend anything being funny or clever about dashing peoples hopes where the release of the patch is concerned (I don't get alternative comedy either:rolleyes:). Those that do are actively encouraging more of the same behaviour which in my opinion is not good for this forum or the current shambolic state of the community.

Someone earlier stated that people like me should get out more...Wrong! Personally, I get out plenty. It's the dick heads that can find nothing better to do than concocting this sort of stuff with the sole intention to frustrate and piss others off, that need to find some sort of life.

I feel sorry for the sad baskets! (Not!)

I agree on calling out others over their acitons, but in all fairness it turns out that neither Foobar nor pencons actually acted to deliberately deceive.

The first was an honest bump of outrage over the lack of patching that inadvertently misled people. The second was a user who themselves made a mistake when they fell for an old patch thread.

It seems that in neither case was malice part of the equation.

^
^
^

They knew what they were doing....







+1

ChocsAway said:

>>To be honest I can't believe the amount of people that are sticking up for this stupid berk and his like!<<

Au contraire mon frere (as we say in German) I believe he was entirely sincere.

I am sorry you feel that way, genuinely. I do not doubt that you like to go out of the house quite a lot and lead a rich and varied and fulfilling existence, and speak for the silent majority, as many of us do.

Fair enough, innocent until proved guilty and all that...but I have my doubts as to whether these activities were done in all innocence,

Did you talk to them over PM?

Pray tell how you came to such a stunningly confident conclusion.

Or did you just call for blood on instinct and suspicion like is so often the case with the masses?

So did I, but at least in Pencon's case he PM'd me in a confused manner after my accusatory comments in the patch thread he bumped and only after several PM's realised that he'd installed the wrong patch by mistake. That's a long way to carry through a deception! I'm satisfied it was a mistake, personally.

Do you really think the fake B6 post was an accident?

you have your "personal opinion"... others have theirs.



I've been around forums of differing natures for quite a while now and have seen some really scary tricks and methodologies, as well as quite a few nice things

So....2 people consecutively bumped 2 separate patch posts in 1 night by accident and all within a goldfish's memory of a fake B6 post.......sounds credible.

If you mean this series of posts;

Then again, initially no, but based on the PM's that were sent by pencon later, I am satisfied - or at least quite doubtful of guilt - that it was indeed an accident and that the user likely mistook that old patch as the much awaited patch.

Again, long way to go for a deception to post PM's keeping it up.

As for your opinion - its the brashness with which you concluded it. Surely you have some doubts?

elemental dear watson they would use the search function searching for pathc, i think theyre inocent

Yes they could have searched for pathc, but if they were gifted with the ability to read it would have served them well to note the date.

Raaaid, as two of the most respected members of this forum, I do not think it is wise to allude to, or impugn the intergrity of, either Bongodriver or Wolf Rider.

They have consistently offered a great deal to the forum, and proved themselves above the tittle-tattle and hearsay that is sometimes known to befall this place.

A little more respect for eachother, please.

Not to mention only ONE seems to have done so by accident - Pencon.

The other, Foobar, seems to have used an old patch thread to voice his displeasure about how unbelievably long the wait for the patch has been, without realising that the natural effect for many would be to assume that the patch was out.

If I had been browsing old patch threads and thinking of making a comment, particularly if I was upset about waiting for a much needed new patch, I am not sure that it would leap to my mind that some people might not notice the date and actually install the old patch.

Yes, in the ONE case this was a mistake and the user in question installed the wrong patch themselves. Far cry from deliberately misleading though.

Well I would impugn it based on personal experience and will take your call to authority for what it is. Let's not play popularity games here.

Your post stinks of wanting to drown out Raaid's opinion.

I had a good laugh, that topic was much more fun than all the other "where is the patch" whining :grin: My first thought was: "Clever... almost tricked me." Was caught due the date, but this attempt was the most cunning, what I saw on the forum :mrgreen:
I am sorry, however, that FooBar punished because of average human stupidity :roll:

It was a joke. Even if someone does not know how B6 name is spelled, the post count of 1 was clearly obviously screaming it was not a post by B6.

It was fun to read and very educational because it let people realise for a second how much they have to loose, how great CloD is. People usually do not appreciate something enough until they loose it. Cancellation of a project is everyday business reality and this may happen to CloD if we do not support it and the sequel enough. Many people present at the forums do not realise it. That is why that post was very useful.

After reading Oleg's comments about CloD release one of forum members PMed me that many people probably do not realise how lucky we are to have CloD released. It was almost a miracle it happened. Now I can say we do not realise how lucky we are to have CloD not closed down yet.

Quite, who could have realised that posting in an old thread would have moved it to the top of the list, it's not like patch threads have been bumped before......were just lucky to have some brand new members who know how to start brand new threads to voice their displeasure.

yeah, funny 'bout that


anyways, the mods have acted as they saw correct and any discussion really is only waffle and wash up.

Are we any luckier to have two old members ready to assume guilt in the face of doubt?

Again, this is not about knowing it will bump the thread to the top of the list. This is about how reasonable foreseeable it is that people would actually mistake the thread for the new patch and download and install it (not having done their due diligence of course). Particularly as that poster didn't make the same mistake.

Then why point it out? Don't participate if you feel that way. I don't feel I am 'waffling'.

Besides, the mods acted only in the case of Foobar.

well, on the 'net, as we all know, anyone can be anything they want or say anything they... and some people can be very deceiving, whilst others who seem convinced can be sucked right in. (identifying deception is very difficult without physical eye to eye contact)

Lucky I have you, a much vaunted member of the community to help me out. Your ignorance, trolling record and thinly veiled contempt notwithstanding of course.

The fact stands. Pencon contacted me by PM in confusion, and I do not believe he acted to intentionally mislead. You have even less to judge deceit on.

Wolf Rider said:

>>identifying deception is very difficult without physical eye to eye contact<<

Absolutely true. Well said. I couldn't have put it any better myself.

So what would be your opinion on judging deception without the full information?

Ultimately your overly positive endorsement says only one thing, and that is that you believe Wolf Riders judgment of deception in this case is better than mine.

What you avoid addressing by that, of course, is how you can possibly know that. And since, of course, you cannot know it, you are merely saying that Wolf Rider's opinion matches your own and avoiding any talk of justification.

If you are going to imply you know better than I do whether pencon is lying, you might as well say so and say why.

I once heard an interview with a burglar in which he rejected all responsibility for his actions because his victim had inadvertently left a window open. In the burglar's mind this absolved him of any blame - after all if the victim did not want to be burgled why did he leave a window open?

Your argument strikes me as uncomfortably similar - and equally wrong.

Lol still doing well if the burglar isn't falling under a stack of newspapers and suing for negligence :grin:

irR4tiOn4L said:

>>So what would be your opinion on judging deception without the full information? <<

I would say we should all love eachother and be grateful that we have two pillars of the community acting in guardian-like fashion, in Wolf Rider and Bongo.

It would not do to have people randomly jumping to any conclusion that suits them, and I am sure those two fine gentleman would not lower themselves, having spotless records as they do.

(I wonder whether you have read any of my earlier posts perhaps? They may be older and mis-guided, but they have a certain charm for a young naif)

irR4tiOn4L said:

>>Ultimately your overly positive endorsement says only one thing, and that is that you believe Wolf Riders judgment of deception in this case is better than mine.<<

Perhaps 'overly positive endorsement' is the right form of words....


>>What you avoid addressing by that, of course, is how you can possibly know that. And since, of course, you cannot know it, you are merely saying that Wolf Rider's opinion matches your own and avoiding any talk of justification.<<

Absolutely. Wolf Rider is an absolute pillar of the community. Above reproach. I would trust his judgement with my life, and that of my daughter's 4 year-old puppy (that came from an orphanage for one-eyed dogs)

>>If you are going to imply you know better than I do whether pencon is lying, you might as well say so and say why. said<<

Because Wolf Rider - and Bongodriver - are almost always right, and their posts have seldom been found to contain anything but the most carefully thought-out and morally just position.

Some prior history I should be aware of then and no love lost. I apologise for not reading your posts more closely.

I catch your drift ;) It seems I am more humourless than I thought.

Yep... another goes; "I'm not stealing it, I'm just taking it into protective custody"

@Fallstaff,

Hi mate, you have no idea how happy I am that you have turned the corner and realised my true intentions, it's nice to know that theres hope for me and you to be best buddies from now on, perhaps we can get together for some beers.....

it would break my heart to think that you might just be cruelly playing with my emotions though, but you and others have made me realise that is probably just the cynical side of me you have highlighted so well.

Shall I invite Pencon and Foobar for the round of drinks? Making up and all that.

Why not, I'm really starting to feel the love now.

Bongodriver

I would like to think so. I am sure the best of you is yet to come, as it is with all of us. In the meantime, I am grateful that you are maintaining a standard of civility and coherence that I can only admire from afar.

Rest assured, thiis forum would not be the same place without you, Wolf Rider, David Hayward, Ace-of-Aces, Robtek and the other long-time members. You are doing a good job of protecting the interests of the community.

If that may be construed as a little sarcastic, it is not intended that way. It is hard to break one's old habits, but we must try.

My best wishes to you.

Well, in all fairness there is so little love on these forums! I have no experience or quarrel with you personally though.

I do, however, with Wolf Rider (distinctly negative).

Lol I think many quarrels take on aspects of a comedy from afar!

Wolf Rider is a warm-hearted human being full of love and positivity, so please do not assume anything negative.

Remember that looking after the interests of fellow members takes time and energy, so his sense of decorum may occasionally dip below the extremely high levels he has set himself, but that is only because he is doing such a good job of monitoring the younger, more vociferous posters.

He's a good egg, really, like Bongodriver et al. They may occasionally try to hide their generous natures (especially when it comes to this forum) but it shines through nevertheless.

who wants a cookie,

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...les/Cookie.jpg

;)

Oh god I'm starting to really well up now and am choked, I just want to hug someone, it's all so beautifull.....somebody better not link a 'feel good' youtube music vid or I am going into floods

By the time I got to 'shining through nevertheless' I was in spasms.

You're right though. 15 pages of 1 on 1 conversation is not enough to judge. I must look past the dips to the plateau.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5HRzaOFhec :D

Well, yours is a personal quarrel, one born of an inability to allow an opinion which differs to your own, and let me just assure you that your quarrel is yours, yours alone and definitely one sided. You have not been called names, neither have you been disparaged by me and most certainly, I would very much appreciate you ceasing tagging (stalking) my posts.

Yes apparently I had a quarrel with a wall.

Still hilarious!

You should not think yourself so lucky! I think 15 pages of fruitless debate was enough. This thread's comments are sparked by your imputations as to my gullibility.

You know, you can always add me to your ignore list, assuming it has not sprung a leak?

I cannot believe, that there are really some guys, who downloaded it!!!! Sorry, but this thread is also so unimportant.... 1.4...??? Megaupload???

Okay, it seems, that we are turning into people, who download and install everything without reading. Also downloaded origin and accepted everything at the beginning of bf3?

Always click on "yes, sir!" :eek::confused:

I should become some sort of software developer. Programming, what people want, built in some kind of bad (but allowed) sort of EULA and then earn money with it, because most people click on "yes button" without knowing what they do!! :)

Group Hug!

I think you're on to something here. Many people just click through yes for installation of software. ;)

Things like that only can happen if someone (e.g. 1C) makes a lively community waiting for a patch for such a long time.

So dont blame the bearer of bad news (e.g. foobar).
This 'Joke' should not have been made possible in the first place! (e.g. by openely communicating from beginning on and by making smaller steps of improvement in a period less than 12 months)

It´s not only that I like pouring Oil into the fire, not only ...

Christ,how desperate are we???
Six years of torture will do that to anyone!
I'm going to watch Midnight Express tonight again,just to get in a better mood!

I still remember the bickering about tree's and other graphical issues. At least the game doesn't look and feel like the "brand new" DCS p51... :p

What's wrong with it?