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Tigertooo 04-19-2012 09:11 PM

not only posts are deleted but even threads!
 
To all Moderators and 1C: some 40 minutes ago i posted a reply explaining i was very dissapointed about the sim as such at this moment. 40 minutes later i couldn't even re read my post as even the thread was deleted.
I have relatives who fought in WW2 so that "things" wouldn't happen again.
Very disspointed in 1C policy.
Please, if you feel right about it,delete this mesage asap

David Hayward 04-19-2012 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigertooo (Post 411611)
I have relatives who fought in WW2 so that "things" wouldn't happen again.

Your relatives fought to protect us from internet message board moderation?

Tigertooo 04-19-2012 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Hayward (Post 411612)
Your relatives fought to protect us from internet message board moderation?

no they didn't do it for that reason,they did it for "freedom" of speach,for not to be afraid to be banned or punished for saying something against a ruling "system", system that prevents saying things and delete things even before others being able to read it, because "not apropriate".
Anyway, and i'll stop it here, the only thing what i really meant is that i was not happy that my post and even the thread were deleted, but at my age, i should know better;)

Meusli 04-19-2012 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigertooo (Post 411611)
To all Moderators and 1C: some 40 minutes ago i posted a reply explaining i was very dissapointed about the sim as such at this moment. 40 minutes later i couldn't even re read my post as even the thread was deleted.
I have relatives who fought in WW2 so that "things" wouldn't happen again.
Very disspointed in 1C policy.
Please, if you feel right about it,delete this mesage asap

This is a companies message board so they can do what they like about it and have. Your relatives fought so you could set up your own message board and post what you like (as long as it does not break the law) without being imprisoned/killed. There is a big difference there.

JG26_EZ 04-19-2012 09:46 PM

There is a list of rules for this forum.. Particularily Rule No.2 - No Whining...
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=21176

And... it's mentioned again before the list of rules is over.

Tigertooo 04-19-2012 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meusli (Post 411635)
This is a companies message board so they can do what they like about it and have. Your relatives fought so you could set up your own message board and post what you like (as long as it does not break the law) without being imprisoned/killed. There is a big difference there.

as posted, "i'll stop it here", no problem

Meusli 04-19-2012 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigertooo (Post 411641)
as posted, "i'll stop it here", no problem

It's OK mate we are all at the same place waiting. I also did not see your second post before I posted mine so sorry if it looks like I am going on at you. :)

ATAG_Doc 04-19-2012 09:57 PM

I would delay all post for 24 hours if you had less than a certain number of post.

Tigertooo 04-19-2012 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JG26_EZ (Post 411640)
There is a list of rules for this forum.. Particularily Rule No.2 - No Whining...
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=21176

And... it's mentioned again before the list of rules is over.

I'm cerainly not whining about the sim,of course i'll buy the sequel , i just think i have the right to be dissapointed to the current state of the sim, and to be dissapointed that posts and threads are deleted ,but as i said, : end of story ( i'm too old)

Buccaneer 04-20-2012 02:35 PM

TBH the quicker CLoD is "fixed" the quicker Tangmere Pilots will migrate across from IL2-1946. Then the quicker I can join the Group.

FFCW_Urizen 04-20-2012 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc (Post 411648)
I would delay all post for 24 hours if you had less than a certain number of post.

Not a very effective way, as people would behave for their (let´s say 100) first posts and then go on a trolling spree. ;)

Art-J 04-20-2012 05:33 PM

Meusli just got it right. It's simple really. Tigertoo, before You post here, or on ANY INTERNET DISCUSSION FORUM for that matter, remember that forums are like houses - you are a guest here and people who run the board are the owners - when You visit someone's house as a guest, You don't take a $hit on the carpet in the middle of the livingroom just because "you're a free man" and "your grandfathers fought for freedom". If You do that, they CAN ask You to leave - it's their right, as the owners, and it's Your right to organize $hitting parties in Your own place, if for some reason You want to.

Sorry if I sound a bit harsh, but I've seen just too many folks not being able to tell the difference between freedom of speech and plain trigger-happy anarchy, both on discussion forums and in real life.

Your dissapointment-thread might be honest and valid (I haven't had a chance to read it), but it was probably similar to countless similar ones posted here throughout the whole year and not serving any constructive purpose whatsoever. I suppose THIS was probably the main reason it was deleted for.

Cheers.

SiThSpAwN 04-20-2012 05:51 PM

I think there is a difference between freedom of speech and redundancy of speech... just saying...

Tigertooo 04-20-2012 10:18 PM

so sorry, but if i venilate an opinion in a thread ,not even an offensive one,albeit a frustated one, and not only my post, but the entire thread is deleted, apparentely because of "not appropreate", where i live one names this: "censorship",and even if i am a "guest in someone's house and the owner asks me to leave" i will gladly do. But i have the right and the duty to tell the owner has censored me ,and this is never right.
but this are my final words as i'm too old to get in discussions.
If one understands what i mean, fine
if one doesn't, fine as well

tk471138 04-20-2012 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meusli (Post 411635)
This is a companies message board so they can do what they like about it and have. Your relatives fought so you could set up your own message board and post what you like (as long as it does not break the law) without being imprisoned/killed. There is a big difference there.


thats half true....as a freedom loving american it would be fitting that if i were to have a forum or something that i would not be a hypocrite and allow freespeech, even speech that i disagreed with...

with 1cs (and most other corporations forums) their is no freedom, and if they disagree with what you say like a tyrant they delete or ban you....


so yea 1c can do what they wish, however it speaks about their values and clearly they do no value freedom....

so by their fruits you shall know them....or in this case the policy that they enforce...and in this case it seems 1C hates freedom....along with most corporations...

taildraggernut 04-20-2012 11:00 PM

Yet here we are freely expressing oppinions on excessive censorship on this forum..........

Rjel 04-20-2012 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc (Post 411648)
I would delay all post for 24 hours if you had less than a certain number of post.

Are you serious? All post counts indicate, with very few exceptions, is someone who generally sits on his behind too much.

OutlawBlues 04-20-2012 11:35 PM

Disgrace
 
The shame, embaressment and disgrace is to much for the mod's and dev's to bare. They aught to beg everyone's forgiveness and admit they bit off more than they can chew................................:-P

Meusli 04-21-2012 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk471138 (Post 412443)
thats half true....as a freedom loving american it would be fitting that if i were to have a forum or something that i would not be a hypocrite and allow freespeech, even speech that i disagreed with...

with 1cs (and most other corporations forums) their is no freedom, and if they disagree with what you say like a tyrant they delete or ban you....


so yea 1c can do what they wish, however it speaks about their values and clearly they do no value freedom....

so by their fruits you shall know them....or in this case the policy that they enforce...and in this case it seems 1C hates freedom....along with most corporations...

You also have to remember that the poor mods of this forum are volunteers and not paid to police this wild west.

FS~Phat 04-21-2012 02:32 AM

Ok this thread has almost run its course, if I see anymore questioning of moderators actions it will be locked or deleted.

Heres some simple facts folks...
You all are guests here and should behave as such.

If you cant follow the rules infractions will be dealt.

If you post anything in violation of those rules, it clearly states we moderators have the authority to delete, edit, ban, lock or moderate in anyway necessary to uphold the rules.

If you havent read the rules, its no excuse for being rude.

The rules explicitly state that should you have any concerns with moderator actions that you email the administrators- admin at 1cpublishing.eu , or if thats too hard for you, private message nearmiss or one of the moderators.

Voicing your concerns about moderation publicly is not permitted. Im sorry if you dont like it but that is the rule!

If you cant be civil, most likely you will end up with a ban.

We understand the frustrations but this is a game, its not life and death.
The next update is a major patch and it will be ready as soon as the beta is ready, complaining like children won't make any difference.

Now finally, Ive watched this thread and others over the last 2 days and been very patient and lenient. If you break the rules, are rude, or just out to make trouble, you will be dealt with according to the rules.

Kongo-Otto 04-21-2012 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meusli (Post 412472)
You also have to remember that the poor mods of this forum are volunteers and not paid to police this wild west.

Well iirc they haven't been forced to do the job! :rolleyes:


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