Just tried Track Ir
 

On my dads pc for Windows Flight simulator X... I felt like a reindeer with only one antler! Was good looking round whilst flying but it was very off at times, needs a little tweaking. When I first saw this product I thought it was a motion sensor, like a webcam on top of the monitor and didn't realize you had to wear such a sartorially clumsy headset attachment! Has anyone tried it at length with Clod and does it give you a real edge? :-)

Will not fly without it, and yes, it gives me an edge, I am far better with it than without.

Once you learn how to use you won't want to fly without it. Need to make sure you don't have a light on behind you or else it interfers with the sensor.

I have never, not even once had any issues with interference on my trackIR from other light sources.

I have been using TiR for a couple of years and would not want to fly without it.

I have lamps behind me (usually off) that can interfere, I can usually clear this up using the TiR software.

Indispensable, IMO. More-so than rudder pedals.

I have or at least I did, I've got a light source just behind the top of my head which causes what I can only describe as micro stutters when I turned my head. A cheap desk lamp with a very low wattage bulb cured that problem very quickly. ;)

Must be lucky I guess, never had any issues with my TrackIR2 either :)

Yeah...that's what I'm talking about. Stutters when a light behind me is competing with the sensor on my cap.

I use it for years,too.
Its a cool thing and work fine all the years.
Even I play with it in arma2 or some racing games.
I wouldnt miss it and i think it was the best investment
to my Pc for gaming

It just takes a few hours to really get used to it, and then you will not want to let go. Don't change anything until you are comfortable, then and only then adapt it to your tastes.

I'm using the track clip pro thingy, my advice would be (if you can) turn off the light source and use a desk lamp instead (I'm using a 7 watt bulb). A more drastic solution is turn your monitor and desk away but that's not always feasible.

Dano, I'm with you if it ain't broke don't fix it! ;)

I have trackIR 5, its awesome, it takes just about as long to get used to rudder pedals, so its pretty simple to use...

the main thing is getting the rotation speeds right, since you want to be able to look forwards with ease so you can aim properly, you need really slow rotation speed when you're looking forwards, and the more you look behind you the faster you'll want make the rotation speeds, that way its not such a pain in the neck to keep your head still when ur trying to aim, but you don't need to turn your head too much to look behind you...

if you're getting lots of jitter, maybe its just you're head moving since you're not used to having to hold it so perfectly still, or... there's a high percision mode that turns up the filtering, but it puts a slight delay on the movement, but sometimes it's worth it cause it means you don't have to keep your head quite as still.

and yea just don't point a light directly at the trackIR camera... obviously.. since its an optical head tracking system...

I absolutely love track ir. As others have said, I don't know that I would want to play clod without it.

It definitely gives me an edge. Obviously this is only one piece of the puzzle, but an advantage is still an advantage.

Once you get to the fourth step of the learning matrix, or whatever it is called, which is 'unconcious competence' (meaning you can do something very well without having to 'think' about it) it is so intuitive that it makes going back to hat switches feel totally alien and kills immersion.

I think immersion, and therefore enjoyment, alone is worth the purchase.

Disagree!!! The main thing is trying it all ways until you find the way it works for you, a nice linear response is how I like mine, I cannot stand having it track at different speeds depending on where I am looking, it makes me feel ill.

then i suppose you just use deadzones to look forwards.

Nope, I just control my head.

You can't argue against doing whatever makes you the most comfortable, but to any brand new user I would advise toughing it out on default settings until you've reached that unconcious competence state.

Making changes too early could lead to someone being less comfortable than what is optimal without ever knowing, and then developing habits to compensate which make it even less comfortable.

I have to add to the sentiment already expressed on how great Track IR is!
I started with Track IR3, then moved up to Track IR 4 Pro, and just recently ordered the newer Track IR5 - in fact have not even hooked it up yet.
You can use the clip on the headset, or the reflectors on the visor of a ball cap. Myself I prefer the hat clip, as I don't wear a headset.

Get use to it, then in the software you can tweak to your heart's content to get it where you like it, regarding response curves, dead zones, etc. The included profiles are not bad to get started with.

I will also add, it is important - to me at least, to have two Track IR functions assigned to easy to reach buttons on my joystick, these are the Track IR pause key, and the Re-Center key. I use both of these fairly routinely and find having them on buttons on my stick to be very easy to do - becomes almost second nature.
Also please note the default hotkeys for these two functions, can be re-mapped to whatever you like.

Get used to it, tweak it a little, and enjoy! I could not fly without it.

how? do you have a center/off button or something for when ur aiming? unless ur an owl?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6M-h5g3PwI

LOL! I need an owl face for this too, as well as another antler:-P

One drawback
 

The only thing I can complain about regarding the use of Track IR is the fact that I find myself turning my head during a movie or other video game so I can see around, kinda like leaning while playing a driving game.......

Yes, i use a small dead zone to shoot.

I just hold my head still and no, I'm not an owl.

If you are using a reflector sight, a little head movement won't be a problem anyway - that is what they are for. Less easy with iron sights though.

I hate it when I try out some cool looking flying game, and find it doesn't support TrackIR.

I am always surprised to hear of people flying flight sims without trackIr

After all these years you just forget its even possible. A bit like flying without a joystick I suppose.

+1 for the use of TrackIR

for CloD i feel there is a "snapping" of views where the game seems to center the movement. Annoying if u try to look left down or right down for instance.

<trololol>
TrackIR is capitalist extortion! Use FreeTrack!
</trololol>

But seriously, any kind of head tracking is very much recommended for CloD(or any other flight sim). Personally I use a little curving around the center with the rotation axis so it's easier to aim. I have the rotation speed otherwise at quite fast so I don't have to turn my head away from the screen.

My profile has a small deadzone in the center and then accelerates as i look round, i maybe have to turn my head about 30 degrees to look behind me.
Cant and will not fly without it. :) Not only for the ease and edge it gives but also for the immersion it adds.

Mate, I've been using Track IR for years. I started out with the basic Track IR and, after getting use to it, found it to be amazing. I now have the new Track IR where you can not only turn your head but lean sideways, forwards etc. I couldn't go back to not having it. I also have a problem, after flying CoD, in turning my head to get a side view if I'm watching a show on Foxtel about planes and they're filming in the cockpit. It would be funny watching me leaning over or turning my head whilst my eyes stay fixed to the screen.
I sent my old Track IR to one of our members on this forum. I forgot who it was and didn't charge any money for it, also paying for the shipping from Australia to America. I just wanted him to experience how cool Track IR is. It's an awesome bit of kit.

I'm not using TrackIR as I'm not the richest person on the planet... lol What I can say, though, is that I've been using Facetracknoir with a PS3 Eye and am absolutely amazed with the results! I went from being someone who slightly enjoyed CloD but was constantly teetering on the brink of murderous rage about the performance issues etc to falling hopelessly in love with what we have right now, despite it's faults. Yep! It has made THAT much difference! Seriously! (Obviously, I am still waiting for the patch... don't want people thinking tracking turns you into an uncritical fanboy or anything. lol I still have major gripes but the pain is greatly lessened. :D)

Considering the general opinion seems to be that TrackIR is far superior to Facetracknoir (The price, if nothing else, should hopefully reflect that)..... I would recommend it highly! Once you start using it, there will be no looking back...... well.... technically there will be but you know what I mean. :D

You see, Moggy, never ever have "ideas" while flying (obviously a rare occurrence in your case), since it interferes with TIR.:wink:

Started using Trck-Ir about 1 1/2 year ago, couldn't do without now, even if I suck as much with it than without :-P

I started playing ROF still using the hat switch and did ok, but I couldn't imagine playing ClOD without it, especially when using the clickable cockpit.

Using Track IR for a couple of years now and I am stiill at times amazed about the technology.
In many ways it has been like going from Mouse to Joystick. It's just leaps and bounds above everything else in controleability. The only thing coming close is Padlock, and I still pity those folks without TrackIR flying in servers that have it deactivated.
In many ways only Track IR enables you to fly maneuvers enabling you to shoot from positions in knifes edge combat situations with any chance of success, tight scissors a primary one where planes change positions around you in a heartbeat.

Before Track IR I was confined to pure boom and zoom tactics only.

Can we share profiles here maybe ? ive tried Furbs and its POO ;) i have mine sorted now and do very well with it as is.

I use TrackIR 5 and wouldn't want to fly without it anymore.

I have had to manually adjust the curves in all games to make it feel more natural. The original curves have too much of a dead zone / slow zone in the center which was the main problem for me.

Once I tweaked the TrackIR settings / curves, it feels very natural and definitely gives me an edge as I can quickly look around the cockpit in a natural way. Keeping your eyes on a target while doing maneuvers, for example, becomes so much easier when you use TrackIR.

The more I use it, the more natural it feels, and often I find myself trying to use my head to look around in games that don't support TrakcIR. :)

I find it hard to fly with roll set to on in my settings, so i always have it turned off:-P

I love it , however I found out putting a deadzone in roll , and turning off the
zoom feature works best for me . I can aim better and I prefer joystick buttons
for quick zoom in and out , FOV 40 , Wide View,Normal View, and Gunsight View...etc.
All this works great but I still get my butt shot down all the time :mad:

Track IR = worth its weight in GOLD.

I'll get it once CLOD works

The only problem I have with my TrackIR is that my cleaning lady does not understand it's an expensive piece of equipment and every other time she has cleaned our house it's on the floor behind the monitor as she simply MUST clean all the dust on top of the monitor for some reason ;)

Go with TIR5 with Proclip, then make it wireless...mates up great with the Wireless Logitec G930 Headset

+1

yuo have a how to on that, I would LOVE to make this Proclip
wireless

i have a trackir 3 and using #4 software, works great and wouldnt even thing of flying or driving without it. works fantastic on Arma2 as well :grin:

Trololoo mode back on :)

If TIR is worth its weight in gold... and you have to pay respectively. And FreeTrack is, as the name suggests, free, and from personal use + with talks with my squad mates + other v.pilots who use TIR, I have determined that it is as good or even better(when talking about resistance to interference from the sun or lights behind you) than TIR... so it is also worth its weight in gold .. but free. So is FT as a theoretical substance worth infinite moniez? ;)

Its well worth it and once used you can't live without that intuitive head-turning-to-view.

Get the ProCilp if you can afford it. It has three LEDs which means the detection levels are set much lower than the passive reflector-on-a-hat so you won't suffer from ambient light problems. It clips onto the left hand side of the headband just above the earpiece.

S!

Been using TIR for years..first the 3 + VectorExpansion and now 4Pro with TrackClip Pro. Can not even fly without it if had to use POV views, tested and crashed in a scissor move on ATAG :( For those using AMD cards do NOT use 12.4 drivers with the latest 5.1.3 TIR software, you will get an error and TIR will not launch. Reason is, from NaturalPoint, some OpenGL files in the new drivers that can cause this. I reverted back to 12.3 WHQL and CAP1 = works as before. Just FYI.

PS! Untamo, no hobby is free ;) :D

Nope. You mistake weight for value :-P Of course FT is worth the weight of your webcam and IR emitter (if you have one) in gold. :cool:

I absolutly hate the ProClip. So I guess it depends on personal taste.

I hated it orginally as well but once I set it up properly I wouldn't go back to the other style. I find that ambient light doesn't interfere at all now. It's spot on.

I'm truly amazed. Why is that?

S!

Adds another wire I guess and it's construction is not the sturdiest one. I already had to use "super glue" to make the led "lever" stick etc. The wires I bundled with the headphone wires to a neat cable, so no real problem there. Wireless is not an option for me, in copper I trust! :D

Otherwise TrackClip Pro is a good thing, less interference with backlight as you can adjust the light filter so that only the tracking IR goes thru etc. After setting up TIR it is a breeze to use and sure helps. Feel handicapped without it and have noted I have tried to turn my head while watching videos..LOL!

true.dat :)

+1

Is the track clip pro worth the extra £20 in the bundle deals. Do you have 6dof because of the clip pro or do you have it anyway?

In my room I sit facing the side with the window and there is rarely much light coming in as the curtain is permanently drawn on that side of the room. I would describe the general lighting around my PC as adequate but it is never bright at any time of day with or without the light on (light is a few feet away at my 10 o clock). Does that sound like a situation where the clip pro would benefit most or not?

You have it anyway.

It really comes down to whether you want to wear a cap all the time, or a headset all the time.

So the actual movement quality is not much better with the track clip pro?

I can vouch for FaceTrackNoIR's awesomeness.

It's a great alternative to those who don't want to spend a bunch on TrackIR or want to try out the whole headtracking thing before purchasing hardware.

FaceTrackNoIR is freeware, requires only a webcam (PS3 Eye for best results), and a human(?) face.

Works great and smoothly once you dial your settings in.

they're just different ways of doing the same thing, both with the same result.

I've been able to attach the default reflector (intended for a cap) to my Logitech G35 heasdset as I always play with a headset on - works fine for me.

Picture of it here: http://mooch.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/trackir.jpg

The G35 headset comes with interchangeable pads to suit different head shapes, I've basically used one of them to fix the TrackIR reflector in place.

I think I would have given up on flight sims altogether if it wasn't for TrackIR!

Awesome trick, Just did the same thing myself after wearing a crappy cap for aslong as I know. You deserve a Cliffs Of Dover T-shirt for that lol.

Update - All was good but now when I look up it doesn't look up very far because the Trackir is to far up on my head now. How can I adjust it to stop that happening?

You can move your TrackIR somewhere off the top of your monitor to get a better angle on it (check what it's reading using the TIR software) or angle it more on your headset. I get the opposite problem looking down as I prefer hats with the brim pulled way down low over the eyes.

I dont get that problem as the TrackIR that sits on my monitor is higher than my head - looking straight ahead my eyes are bang on center in the middle of the screen (vertically).

Hope you can find a workable solution.

I think I would find it hard using my monitor like that although it would probably make more sense to have it like that.. My eyes looking straight ahead are looking at the top of the monitor, so basically I am always looking down at my monitor screen. Do you think it would be an advantage to have my monitor elevated so I am looking at the center?

Edit: I just read this so I think I my monitor needs adjusting. The link below is for anyone else who wonders what height their monitor should be.

http://ergocanada.com/ergo/monitors/...uidelines.html

My monitor is set up as in the link, I'm looking at the upper part of it. The TIR camera sits on top in line with my left ear where the Pro Clip is mounted on my headset.

I think the Pro Clip LEDs are more positive than reflected IR from the camera but if you have no problems with stray light the reflectors should be ok.

I've been using TrackIR since TrackIR2 days with the reflectors. Personally I would buy the clip.

When I bought Track IR - my first reaction was: "this is all cool and such, but I don't think I can use this". Then I started messing with Track IR software settings (you can adjust pretty much anything there) and got it work really well. You need time to really get used to this piece of equipment.

However, I still have issues looking down. Like really down - when you need to inspect flap state for example. I suspect it's because my track IR camera is already pointed a bit down (as I am gaming on my LG TV).

Anyway, I think there is still room for Track IR improvements. Actually, I think all this attached-clip tracking is getting old (think Kinect). My bet is that the next device will be able to just track your eyeballs or something without any clips whatsoever.

Try Charvel's Track iR profile for COD it's really good,it's been tweaked and it allows you to look right behind you with minimum head movement.;)

I´m in a hurry, so a quick question without having searched for it:

Where can i get Charvels Track-Ir Profile?

thx!

Probably here http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...1&postcount=10

I thought I might chip in here as well.
FaceTrackNoIR is fantastic. I love the fact I don't have to wear anything to make it work either. (Yes, it works when you're naked ;) )

As the above-mentioned post states, once you set it up correctly it's wonderfully smooth, and it just adds so much to the immersion factor.

And, it will only get better.

Track IR is second only to my joystick as a necessity for CloD.

It took me about 6 hours to get used to it and now it's completely second nature to me. Adding Track IR almost instantly doubled my situational awareness in game and at least doubled my skill as a pilot.

S!

Could not imagine flying without TrackIR or any kind of tracking device. It makes everything so much better.

Track IR for flight sims is like airbrush for model building...once you get used to it you start to wonder how you ever did without it!

The worst two weeks of my simming life were when I was waiting for my Track IR-4 to arrive after my Track IR-1 passed on.

I have had my track ir 4 pro for 8 years now it's been repaired (the leg) which broke during the 7.2 Mexicali earthquake. It's still going strong.

Won't fly Sims without it.

Immerse yourself in it, don't allow snap view keys and just commit to it.. in a week or less you will be completely sold on it. The amount of "edge" it gives you in MASSIVE for SA in a fight.

You can't judge the whole Track-Ir experience by FSX, it's a little clunky in that title because you can stick your head through the windshield or behind the seat, in Cliffs or Il-2 it works much better, so much so that I can no longer fly without it and if you adjust the curves for each axis to your comfort it will feel completely natural. I have watched some of the videos posted here and find myself turning my head to look out the windows, lol.

I just ordered one. I didn't realise how many games I had which it works for and I have had ARMA 2 on my soon to buy list since christmas so more use will come from it. It is really expensive, so much so that I almost didn't buy it but I figure that if I get lots of use out of it then the cost will be worth it in the long run.

It takes a bit of getting used to in Arma2 (and CLOD/ROF for that matter), but once your use to it - it adds a whole new dimension to the game. :grin:

i didnt think i needed it, but was recommended by one of the atag guys to get it and never looked back. wont fly without it now

Furbs could you send me your profile?

Cheese

I setup facetracknoir in conjunction with a PS3 Eye camera a few days ago and after some tweaking I'm very impressed by how well it performs in CloD and other games. FTN tracks at 50fps/640x480 resolution and as long as the lighting is good I get very smooth and responsive face tracking. CPU usage (i5 2500k) is around 10-15% but has had no impact on game performance so far.

Face tracking is so immersive and I'd highly recommend it if you're on a budget or the idea of wearing leds doesn't appeal.

I tried FTN/Ps3 eye before I ordered my trackir and I found it very jumpy no matter what the settings and it ate up loads of cpu, about 25% of my i5 2500k. It had potential and I reckon if I spent the time on it I could get it to a sweet state but I have spent to much time messing around with various games/mods and programs recently that I just want something that works as I want it straight off for a change so I went for trackir.

If I only had one or 2 games that I would ever really use face tracking for then I would probably have taken the time with FTN/ps3 eye but seeing that I already own 6 trackir enhanced games and will buy 2 more soon I figure it is worth going the whole hog.

My cpu usage was higher to begin with too but just sitting a tad closer to the camera (I usually sit quite far from my monitor anyway) and getting good even lighting cuts down it's workload dramatically.

PM me your email cheese.