Why Behave This Way
 

This is a double post but i feel so strongly about it i felt it should be in the main thread:

Who you gonna play with when you upset people and humiliate them. I've seen the "dont let the door bump your butt" routine so many times and each one is a lost player and with the 50 to 70 players scattered over minimal servers I dont think this game or community can afford to loose people.
How about help people solve their problems instead, turn these senarios around before they make a bigger loss for the community in the long run.

I would ask that this not be moved or slated or maybe even replied to, as i'm saying this not only on moral grounds but for the benefit of the forums and the game itself.

Just think about it guys, bite your tongues.

:confused::confused::confused:

ie somebody moans etc they are flamed/insulted and ignored instead of helped or given a kind word of hang in there etc

5 people left this forum last week alone. Thats 5 players this game cant afford to loose.
I think those players left because of how they are treated on this forum.

get a life geek:rolleyes:

Thanks rowddy, not helpful.

I think things will calm down around here when they finally release the patch. It has been a long wait after a very bad start.

Good points DroopSnoot.
On your side this time.

They haven't gone anywhere, they've finally figured out that constant unrelenting complaints about issues the developers are already well aware of, isn't going to change anything. All we can do is wait, or do something useful like replying with info/data that the devs have requested, or helping others with game or peripheral related problems. If they are aircombat sim fans they will be back to try the next patch, and the patch after that one.

Those 5 people? Left like the guy today, returned after 3 hours? 1C deserves better customers.

guys, some of you really need to let go with such attitude: I think DroopSnoot made a really valid point, but some of you seem to love dissing others standing on their pedestal of self-righteousness.

Helping other forum member is the best way to support the game, pushing people off is actually doing 1C more harm than good.

you're spot on stern, help is always the best option.

but...
it's 5 forum members. i know at least 3 people who fly clod who never post on forums, another 2-3 who occasionally fly and don't post.

if people are going to flounce after weeks of negativity then i'd say, on balance, the forum will probably be a better place. they aren't going all geek-rage on the forum about known issues that (i trust) the developers are working on, and people aren't replying to them angrily rather than assisting other posters with genuine, user-solvable problems and advice.

Some of us used to do this, but became jaded with horrible plan for the game, and censorship of any dissenters here...

i think we deserves better comunication skills from devs :rolleyes:

im pretty new here, and i have been insulted at least a couple of times. ya, something is wrong if people behave this way with others. to be fair though, real fighter pilots were/are probably not the nicest people either...i can just imagine a room full of actual 109 pilots, and the massive egos they must have had!

Not really macphail. My two mates are fighter pilots. I went through Officer Training School with them. They are the funniest buggers you'd meet. I don't fly, and 'playing' CoD doesn't make me anything close to what my mates do. But you are right, although they are funny buggers, they have egos. :)

well you can't be funny without an ego can you?

on another note, yes there's quite a crowd that lingers about just so they can flush their negativity and bile towards ppl pointing out some problems, even if on a repetitive note, but entitled to it, afaik no one's counting words in RL (unless you live on a dictatorship). i think the freedom on this or any forum should always aspire to reflect the freedom of every common individual in RL, as every means of communication should.

think about it: fanboys are nothing beyond intolerant fanatics who resort to an insulting tone often too much, generally pointed at the poster.

this happens because they (somehow) act as if they could approve or disapprove views, that's their key principle; as a consequence, they don't like to see a disagreeing opinion displayed, or the fact that others can display such opinions.

narrowed by this view, usually an inappropriate emotional response follows, mostly a personal attack to the poster's attitude, attempting to denigrate him somehow and inviting similar reactions from similar ppl, rather then to politely debunk the usually logical and fundamented post (lack of politeness always gives away the troll, i'm yet to find a polite one); as generic as it sounds, the more the forum is read, the more it becomes apparent; the fact that it's always the same gang, makes it even more obvious.

under the cover up of promoting positive environment by dismissing the critics (as if it would make any sense), fanboys or anti-whiners create a pervasive pattern of answer/counter answer that they can take on for long long time (usually they have to be stopped).

in fact, to have the word 'whiner' poking so easily every now and then is just another form of trolling and filling this place with negative flux, adding to the general hypocrisy of these double faced guardians of rightness.

but then again they're human; some ppl need to get the frustration out of their minds by virtually bullying others, to make noise so they can get attention, who knows if they can't do it any other way; perhaps they need this, or their heads will pop.. who knows?

DroopSnoot, trust me on this one: in here understanding is condescending, and not everyone here is alike; this place is filled with old impertinent guys, some egos, professional trolls who don't even have CLoD (never posted a line about the actual game ever), but there's some really helpful ppl as well (the best you'll get from this place) and occasionally, some meaningful official info.

may i suggest, take it easy with the morons, speak your mind whenever you feel it's right, and remember take a brake from here 'n' chill out. ;)

so happy flying and happy hunting :grin:

+ 1 to Jetta Raso

you never know who you're dealing with in forums, and some are aggressive just because they think they can and it bears no consequence whatsoever, what's even worse is that some of them do it out of boredom, probably cos they can't run the game properly themselves and just like the rest of us are in fact desperately waiting for an update from a software house that was forced to release an unfinished product a year ago and still struggles to deliver a complete product, probably because they had to redo most stuff from scratch.
One thing is being understanding of this, but being also fooled around for a whole year doesn't do them any better in terms of PRs, which to date is STILL the weakest link of Maddox Games.

Well Said and so true

yes, well said indeed... except, the whinging is infecting nearly every thread - that's problem.

+1 My thoughts exactly. I've decided to stop responding to said type of people since it only gives them more wind in their sails. It's funny, if you look at some of these "Heroes of CloD" post history - some of them have more posts than me - they have very few own threads that they have started e.g helpful threads or threads about the game. Most of their posts are only in other peoples threads and they are almost exclusively inflammatory. One of these "people" for example has over a thousand posts but only 9 threads started, pretty much says it all IMO. I won't block anyone though, why should I? this is a forum and what are forums for? sharing opinions and ideas if you ask me, preferably without getting flamed to damnation. To anyone who feel they are constantly bombarded by the "hate brigade" try to refrain responding to them, it's the best way to get rid of them. I say leave the old fart bigots where they belong, in a non-response vacuum. I'm never leaving this forum, I love the IL-2 series, loved it for over a decade since I was 17. I'm not gonna let some old bitter fart spoil my fun, poop to them. :D

Did I just see you whine?
No, can't be.

They should really just make a backup of the important info on this forum (bugs reported, skins shared, mods listed, screenshots, etc.) and then wipe the whole darn thing - start fresh.

The whole forum is...

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By furbs9999 at 2012-03-16

The perspective on that photo is rather amusing, I imagine the caption 'Giant forces food up pygmy babies nose' :grin:

No wander she looks browbeaten.

Regards, Sam.

Thats now six people left, people like carguy etc are doing a great job for 1C *sarcasam mode off* (your shiny customer killer medal is coming soon)
I know that he thinks he's defending 1C but he's just helping force customers away with his own brand of denial.

People who see what I'm getting at please dont moan to hard about this game as much and please dont react by quiting this game or forum 1C need the money or this game, or dies for everyone.

Don't worry too much, when the patch is eventually released I am sure they will play the game. Being a member of this crazy forum has no bearing on whether you can play it or not.

Right, Meusli. Most of them will play the game if it gets fixed. Some of the louder moaners might be even so insolent to again show their nicks here.

Problem being, a lot of people do list "performance" as being a major factor in why they don't play CLOD any more, but right after that they mention content and "fun-factor". Losing a forum member is probably indicative of losing 50-100 non-forum members. This forum only represents a tiny portion of the people who bought CLOD, so a small segment of the forums announcing that they are done with the game could mean hundreds or more have left it forever.

Frame Rates and Flight models are important, but replayability and fun-factor are also just as important as well. Saying, "go back to Halo" or "bye-bye" every time someone has a legitimate complaint will not bring new blood to the genre. Clod, like a person having an operation requires new blood, otherwise it just dies on the table.

I post on another forum with over 150,000 users, and everyone who did buy CLOD who posts there admits that the game is collecting dust in their STEAM library, and not even installed on their PCs. They even admit that doubling the FPS wouldn't make them install the game again because the community is toxic from all the basement dwellers and old Luddites who just want a million planes and a billion buttons to click while they endlessly dogfight in the same 2x2km section. Nobody has even hinted that they will buy the sequel, because they have a moral objection to supporting a company that releases 1/2 finished games and is this "closed mouth" with their community.

CLOD's development cycle is a textbook example of making the wrong decision. . . every single time. From the looks of BOM, they're going to do it again, despite what they have heard from reviewers and non-rabid fans.

Insolent? Dude have been vile to some users here, plain and simple. You seem to revel in their leaving because they had a different opinion to you or because their moaning upset you, and the whole time you've used 1C and the defence of this game as your excuse for behaving in the way you have been.

No excuse buddy, if you think of yourself as on a higher level than moaners, dont sink to the level you claim to detest.

I have never been aggresive towards those, who can post their opinion in a respective way. For example, I never touch Thor`s (from the Daidalos team) posts. Main reason being that his criticism is harsh, but presents facts and only facts, with some constructive thinking. All of the people claiming that they are posting the truth should view his posts as an example of how to do it. Because the vast majority lacks even the minimum skills available for this taks. Criticism is not spouting accusations. Obviosly many people either do not know that or are just here to scream , because they don`t know any other way.

Im not interested mate in your opinions anymore, ive read your passive bullying poo on this forum for a whole year and i'm so tired of it.
Quite frankly seeing people like you being so nasty makes me feel ready to walk too and believe me I've bought all the games at one point or another so MG would loose money in the long run and you'd have 1 less flyer to shoot at so quit it.

No loss here. TBH I`m interested why you even view this forum since many of you already stated you`re never going to buy another 1C sim again. Unless ofcourse you are just saying that out of childish rage :rolleyes:

Wow, you just proved his point. I'm sure the irony will be lost on you though.

Customers...

Hun.. I can't speak for 1C, but looking at the posts of those so called customers brings to mind an old saying..

with friends like that who needs enemies?

Just replace the word 'friends' with 'customers' and you should get the idea

luckily for the sim acesoftheaces you are not a 1C manager.

That is debatable..

As noted I don't speak for 1C.. But since you felt the need to chime in allow me.. Personally.. I don't think 1C will miss those who constantly whine about things that 1C has already address..

Reasoning behind that those types of posts, by those six or so whiners, do more damage that good with regards to 'other' customers.

By other customers I mean those who may not hang out here as much as those six or so do, and thus not realize those six or so whiners are simply repeating over and over things that have already been addressed by 1C.. In that it would give those 'other' customers the wrong impression that 1C is not addressing said items. And before you or some one else goes off on some sort of rant.. Please don't confuse 'addressing' the issue with 'fixing' or 'fixed' the issue.

Or replace the word "customers" with "1C Forum Users". I've lost count of the number of times that people have told new member asking legit questions to "get lost" or "go back to your arcade game".

They're the same people whose predominate post is either, "+1" or "bye". The only thing they do is add a whole bunch of useless fanboyism to the forums, drowning out actual productive discussions or criticism with their praise of Luthier every time he posts a new photo of the IL-2 or a Truck.

Do you want me to list you the posts that say nothing else than "+1"?Because it is easy to get a whole bunch of them, coming from the very same frustrated customers.

And about drowning anything, I dare you to show me a post by BlackSix/Luthier/other 1C official that talks about people who support 1C being bad influence here in any way. Because I can easily direct you to posts where 1C officials say so about the whiners and only them.

Well I can't speak for every member of this forum, but I know that I for one have not done that.. Nor have I seen any of the so title fan boy by the whiners do it. With that said, I know you said you lost count, but could you at least post a link to one example of which you speak.. Reason I ask is I think in your effort you will realise how few posts there actuly are that fit your definition, and thus realise how easy they are to count

Hardly.. the +1 or by is used by both the pro and con in this forum

That is your opinion and your welcome to it, but imho view is biased

Read this entire thread. This is the perfect example.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=21850

Really..? wow Im shocked

Come on Carguy..did you actually think before you wrote that?

..I would say that in answer to the OP, people behave like this out of frustration: when you don't have much news or broken promises after broken promises you're not left with much else but aggravation, anger and resentment.

I came to the conclusion that no matter how much you complain, they don't care, because they haven't cared for so long and won't start now.

I'm back to IL-2 for now until this mess is sorted, the new mods and flyable planes are giving it a second life, the whole IL-2 1956 is a true gem!!

Please post a link. I have never seen that in here.

Perfect?

Not IMHO..

Why?

That thread is a FM based thread.. In summary emotions run high in all FM related threads for many reason, but typically most FM arguments have one thing in common.. People who are not able to admit they were bested by the other sim pilot.. Which leads to them blaiming the FM for their loss. Which is not to say there are NO problems/errors in the FM only that a lot of personal short comings get falsely attributed to the FM.. Which in the end leads to a lot of bickering back and forth

But just about every flight sim made to date has that problem.. That is to say go to any flight sim forum and you will see that kind of exchange

Which is not the topic at hand.. What we are talking about here.. Here we are talking about the six or so whiners that feel the need to bring up issues over and over and over again that 1C has already address. It is understandable how some seeing that over and over and over again will not loose any sleep seeing such people announce their departure.

Lixma is not a new member; he had joined the forum more than a year prior to making that thread and has been flying IL2 for a long time before that.

He mentions a decade, which suggests to me that he's been around for a good while.

In short, the thread you linked is the opposite of a perfect example.

That person was no new and was not asking a question, they were whining about the game being too realistic.

Read the thread. The whole thing! It's the perfect example of 1C Forum goers being completely ignorant, and has all the classic moron retorts...

+1
Go back to your arcade
NOOOOOooo
Posting Memes
Posting Image Macros
Posting stupid Youtube replies
Name Calling
Ignoring facts
Claiming to be experts (while obviously not)
etc.

These are all the things that drives people away from not only these forums, but the game as well.

Oh the irony LOL

I read the thread. It was not an example of "people have told new member asking legit questions to "get lost" or "go back to your arcade game". Not even close.

Good thing you posted that thread, because all of those SIX (6) users that left the stage did so without actually being specific about anything other than their rage.

Because all of them quit cuz of this particular thread, right?

Ok

Lets cool off a little please.

Its been a rough ride here for the last few days.

Agree to disagree and move on, the discussion can continue in a progressive manner then.

The amount of reported posts in these "few" threads of late has been extremely high.

Thanks.




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Thanks KG.

Look guys its quite simple, everyone feels the same, everyone IS frustrated at the lack of game we paid for, everyone IS hoping for a great game in the future.
Not everyones virtues include patience, I'll be the first to admit I struggle with it at times.
But the real truth is simply this:
I dont know how many of you are married with children etc or how many of you are children yourselves, but I have children and if I heard them being spoken to or about the way some here think its ok to do about others.
I would have a real problem with it.
So maybe some should think of it in that way, how would you feel if someone spoke to you in that way or your children?

I'm not trying to be holier than thou, I'm just saying that we should leave the world outside in the world, and keep this a place were people can come together with the same passions, namely aviation, in a place where we can agree and dissagree without all the nastiness or bullying.

What percentage of your posts would you say are less than a complete sentence? This is the problem. People just want to get their jabs in, instead of actually explaining what they are talking about, or where they are coming from.

The thread that I posted before about the 109 sight is indeed a good example of the regulars, posting like ignorant old codgers, and in doing that showing newer member that they should follow suit as well. It results in the useless comments getting out of control and overshadowing and drowning out the useful ones.

Exactly, you rarely see these same "people" talking about anything actual game related in threads that they've created themselves, it's all about jumping in threads and proving how wrong someone is even when someone isn't wrong. Like I've mentioned before these "people" don't care about the game at all, some of them have over a thousand posts but have less than 10 game related threads that they have made themselves. The best way to get rid of them is to simply stop replying to them even if you really really want to. Stop responding to them and they will slowly fade away since they rarely contribute to anything on their own, just like parasites they are nothing without a host.:)

...someone whining about the game's realism. In response some people told him to learn to live with it. Welcome to the internet!

Keep it clean, have a discussion, show a little respect to each other. Its not difficult really.
This is not a kindergarten, and baiting each other might have consequences.

Even more effective method would be stopping posting the same old whiner bs. I guarantee no fanboy would ever attack him. :D

Would this be a bad time to point out that I never posted in that thread? ;)

Eitherway I still don't see how that thread has anything to do with the topic at hand, but since you failed to address my last post stating my point of view on that I don't expect this post will get any traction either

I don't remember the poster who publicly displayed those forum members he has on his ignore list but it's a good way to go. Maybe not letting the world know who you have on ignore, but the act of ignoring those who offend you. I have several posters on ignore. I'm sure I've pissed off someone somewhere along the way too so that I'm on someone's ignore list.

There's plenty of blame for this forums downward spiral. On both sides of the argument. I'm no expert, but based on their argumentative skills, I doubt most of the main players from either camp ever excelled at debate.

Aren't you the guy that just posted a picture of a broken record as a reply? Very mature and insightful.

Keep reading that thread. You'll see what I am talking about.

Errmmm

It seems you can stop the tit for tat stuff
so threads locked after 2 warnings from moderators.