Friday Update Information - March 17, 2012
 

There will be no update this week.

Please refrain from making a whine, and complaint festival out of this news.

Updates are not guaranteed. The devs want to produce the updates, but some weeks there isn't enough to tell.

Here is link to recent post by BlackSix with some additional information - http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=853

thx, we suspected this to happen.

I give up. When the game is fixed, please tell me.

Bye!

It's Sunday night here. It may have saved some arguing by telling us this Thursday.

Exactly. There is no need to refrain since it has already been done. :rolleyes:

Well I am a new Cliffs of Dover owner, having just purchased couple of days ago and while it is installed not yet even played it, been spending my time reading up on these forums to gain as much knowledge as I can.
But thanks for letting us know anyway!

No problem. Life goes on. I hope only that there aren't too many issues left to solve.

There was me thinking 1C had caved following the forum-riot and released an update..

Got all excited then, poor choice of topic-title! :P

There is still time! ;)

Snafu...

fubar?;)

spring time and than summer time in europe...
with or witout COD....

1 year since COD release....

yeah, should be better sniff in banana forum looking for news not before november or december...far from eyes far from heart we say

Lmao

@nearmiss, @Blacksix: Thank you for the information.


Lol you Absurdistan guys are wise.

fubar

I concur, a accurate description of this forum.

poobar

Well, it's lucky that we have the F1 premiere in Melbourne tomorrow to look forward to...

Seriously, the game was released the 25:th of march in the CIS a year ago - why not celebrate that with a patch that fixes the game? Then we are ready to forgive this year of pain ;)

Besides, I "rediscovered" IL2 version 4.11 after a discussion here in the forum last week. Every time I go back to the old beauty I realize that waiting a few more weeks is not that much of a problem. We have 200+ of beautiful aircraft and maps all over the world with rock solid MP. It's really not that far from the Grail accept that the CEM and visuals of the cockpits in CloD has made us picky... The problem is that many of us have put IL2 on the shelf waiting for the magic patch, which makes the pain worse than it has to. Fire up Hyperlobby and forget the childish attitude of the devs in Moscow that don't understand that people have a right to be really disappointed with a game that for the last six months cannot run for more than 30-60 minutes in multi player without crashing... And MP is what many of us live for in computer simulations as fighting an AI gets boring quite fast.

As the situation has developed here lately I have even started dreaming of Gaijin making some shock surprise out of World of Planes with a decent FM? They claim to work on an improvement of the FM with more realism. I really start to get scared that MG is going belly up soon, so what else is there to dream of? That P-51 in DCS? Will take ages before we have a plane set that makes it compete with anything... 777 Studios stopping their mass production of $10 WWI kites and going 20 years forward? Not in a couple of years...

It feels like the dawn of WWII flight simulations is finally going over into pitch black night ;)

Because, and here's an outside of the box thought... because it's not ready yet.

Il2 with MODS is pretty awesome
 

Agreed... The Il2 with mods can be a real tension buster.

If it were being released today with all the mods, and there was no COD it would be a best seller for sure.

Fact is, we are all wanting and waiting for something even better.

The AI is improved in IL2, big step forward. A zillion aircraft and maps.

The FMB is improved as well, not as good as it could be, but still better.

So, before you waste your time whining, complaining and expressing your anxieties about COD take your positive energy to IL2 you won't be disappointed.

I've refrained from posting on this lack of update subject. And I gotta say standing off on the side and watching both the behavior of the forumites and the devs has me beside myself.

I'm not a hate boy, or a fan boy, I like the game but I know it needs work. But this whole argument lies squarely on the devs here.


If you aren't going to release updates every week, DON'T RELEASE THEM AT ALL. All you have done is create a Friday culture that just leads to disappointment when you do not release anything, and the current state of the game just exacerbates the anger of lack of info.

But to have a post from the admin saying do not whine or complain about this. You do realize that these are your customers right? The people that keep you afloat? the ones that make or break you?


Maddox you have been great up until the last 2 weeks, but you have lost a lot of credibility as professionals, with how you are treating your consumers.

Just my 2 cents, I love the game, and look forward to playing it without crashing. Cheers!

Finally got new system, was hoping for patch about this time so I could finely buy CoD. WellI'll do my free Battlefield 3 until then.

it's OK I found a new game to occupy my time..

http://graviteam-games.goodluckwith....-blaze-of-war/

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...ml#Post3502756

Well I must say it has been an interesting last couple of days - first making the decision to get back into WWII combat flight simming, and being a previous lover of the IL2 series, finally pulling the trigger and purchasing the sim , after holding off since it was released due to what all I have read on the forums. And spending some time trying to catch up on things on the forums here once again, and reading up on some of the great faq's.

It is installed and I am ready to start with it - I guess would be nice to have this new patch that is forthcoming right out the chute, but it is what it is. It will be interesting to check out the performance in the state it is right now, versus what it will be after the patch, on my current system.

My next step will be to start planning how to map out my controls to my Cougar HOTAS- looks like will be quite a task ahead of me there in that alone. Who knows, the patch may well be out by the time I finally get around to clicking the play button!

I have been reading these update threads, and the crystal ball thread, and must say I guess I really have no opinion on either side of the aisle. Developers who give out approximate time frames and for unforeseen circumstances are not able to meet them, always lose out due to the criticism, oftentimes harsh, from the customer base. Even though they may be taking every precaution they can, to assure the patch they send out is as bug free as it possibly can be.
Then there is the loyal customer base, struggling because of some really big issues, that are given an app time frame or teaser, then things stay quiet for a while, well that can be really frustrating for them as well.

But while I would be considered I guess a newbie at this point, I am enjoying sitting on the sidelines reading the dialogue going back and forth between the sides, cheap entertainment I guess. I will soon be giving the sim a try, and if all else fails whilst I am having this itch I seem to have of late for WWII combat, I do still have my updated IL2 1946 ready to go at a moment's notice.

Oh, and I did pull the trigger today, on a new 2gb EVGA GTX 560 TI vid card, should have it early next week. Hopefully I will be well prepared for the patch.

ZZZZZZZzzzzzzz

Don, looks like you're keeping the kids awake! LOL

Keep us posted on your progress. That 2 Gig 560 Ti should do you well. I have the 1 gig version and I'm pleased with its performance.

Give me a heads up if you plan to fly on the ATAG Server and by all means stop in on our forum.

Snapper

Just keep up the good work! ;)

Ah well, it's not like it really matters. Keep at it and I'll look forward to a scenario where everything works like it should and maybe 1C'll retrospectively descrew CloD out of some well placed sense of corporate honour or something. We all want this sim to succeed, we're just in disagreement about when.

There are several types of people who come here.

There are those who only look for information on the sim, and never feel the need to make a comment, or to be a part of 'the community'. This is a very much larger group than the developing team realizes.

There are those who are very vocal about the sims inadequacies, but will always remain dedicated fans and await coming improvements either with hope or despair.

There are also a number of people that will always be very vocal and very unhappy with how things are going regarding the sims development and will ceaselessly complain about it's faults.

There also exists a large group of players who would never find any interest in any of the related forums.

I hope the development team and their representatives don't ever fall into the trap of judging the entire CoD audience on the basis of the opinions of one or two of these groups.

Will do Snapper, at this point looking like may be a while before I get that far along, but if I do I surely will.

Thanks,

i am throwing in the towel, waiting for diablo 3 to be released on march 15. at least blizz fixes there games quickly and releases complete games.

Yep, and I am in the first paragraph type. I don't want to spend my time giving my opion and be attacked because of what ever, like not having posted enough times.:!: it has happened. I have been a fan of combat flight sime for a very long time going back to SWOTL by Lucas Arts back in the early 90,s, and you know what the make up of the fourms has not changed in all those years.

Now when I do post it is for very specific problem that I may have and have not beable to find the answer after reading the fourms. OK rant done:rolleyes:"Quote from Major Set Back [400181]There are several types of people who come here.

There are those who only look for information on the sim, and never feel the need to make a comment, or to be a part of 'the community'. This is a very much larger group than the developing team realizes.

There are those who are very vocal about the sims inadequacies, but will always remain dedicated fans and await coming improvements either with hope or despair.

There are also a number of people that will always be very vocal and very unhappy with how things are going regarding the sims development and will ceaselessly complain about it's faults.

There also exists a large group of players who would never find any interest in any of the related forums."

I hope the development team and their representatives don't ever fall into the trap of judging the entire CoD audience on the basis of the opinions of one or two of these groups.[/QUOTE]

[/QUOTE]

Add me to that list!!

Unfortunately, as in life, the negative types are generally the more vocal.

You really need a "Gordon Ramsey" to sweep your office.
Seriously.
Good Luck.

Think you gotta wait abit longer than that. 15th May is the day!

Well I recall saying when CloD was released and buggy it would be fixed in 4 months.....how wrong I was.

A whole year on (having purchased the CE) and it is still not fixed and the developers are no longer developing it (bug fixing only).

You missed one, a combination of the best of 1 and 2:-

There are those who regularly look for information on the sim, sometimes feel the need to make a comment on its content and often in its defence, are a part of 'the community' and will remain dedicated fans and await coming improvements with hope. This may be a very much larger group than the developing team realizes.

Promises were made,remember?

Maybe we should have promised not to behave like children when we didn't hear what we wanted to hear.

We?
Who's we?
It's certainly not you and me...

Listen,if you promise something deliver,otherwise don't promise,it's very simple actually,don't you think?
I am raised that way,too old fashioned for you?

Hm what was exactly promised?

A working game of decent quality?

Works great for me... more or less always has..

You must be luckier than I am. My game crashes after about 45 minutes.

that's the more or less part

Okay, well, I don't call a game that crashes every 45 minutes "working" nor "of decent quality".

From the videos they posted it looks like things are coming along. lets not keep bashing this sim, everything has already been said.

You say it crashes after 45 min? This game has always been one thing for me: Stable. Can go in and out of the game in windows, go in again. Never crashed on me.
What system do u have? Ram? 3d card?
Lot of computer troubles comes with a lot if shit installed on ur machine. Keep it clean.

It's not a problem with my system. The game has a memory leak. This is a well-known issue affecting many many users.

Ha!
Sorry to quote again, but Im sure his system specs have nothing to do with the well documented, universal memory leak introduced in the last patch.

Mine only crashes when I am online. I can play for hours offline and never experience a crash. One sortie online and the second one crashes.

Granted.
But personally I find it totally unplayable offline.
Reasons have been stated before, no reason to repeat them.

And how often do you play online? The game never crash for me either playing offline but online it never survives an hour, most common is that it dies on the second sortie with an intense memory leak. Im pretty sure it has to do with texture loading as it has happened several times when changing skin in an online session... Not every time and never on the first sortie, I have sent dumps and details to Ilya six months ago and got an answer they will look at it.

As it worked before that last patch I don't buy the argument that they had to do a six month rebuild of the graphics engine to fix it. Of course it would be possible to release an interim patch for it while doing the major rebuild. They just didn't care that the game that we have bought has been broken online for half a year... After defending the devs here since the release I have now reached the point where I'm fed up too after that comment that they would not do a Friday update as they are irritated that their customers are disappointed...

/mazex

I don't think I follow your argument mazex. The past patch "* Drastically reworked graphic algorithms dealing with in-game color;"

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=27146

That may have also introduced a memory leak (did anyone have crashes before that?) but I imagine it would take a lot of work to get back to what it was before the patch which, for some, was worse than we have now and would take up a lot of valuable forward looking dev effort. It may not even be possible. The complete graphics rebuild seems to be the only sensible way to go. We just have to wait for it.

And I think you know the devs do really care - its their future, their reputation and dare I suggest their wish that we should eventually be happy with their products. Mind you after some of the flak they've taken while they work on the solutions they could be just about as fed up as you are and see no point in telling us anything that isn't real News because they'll only get more flak for doing it.

Fridays message was "There's nothing new to report".

If I may add my ha'penny's worth. Out of a squadron of 12 pilots, some of the with PC.s that would put a "Cray" to shame, none of them now fly CloD because of all the problems. One of my US colleagues spent $600 dollars buying a 2Gb GPU and guess what, it still crashed to desk top. So it's not just computer spec's that is the problem (when on-line), more a fundamental software problem. All that most people want is the Sim to work as specified on the box. Make no bones about it, when this Sim is sorted (if), it will be the flight combat Sim of choice. In the meantime I'm honing my skills in World of Tanks.

C'est La Vie

Vonte

+1 and I won't be intrested in any sequels till this game won't be fixed in all way.
BB

You guys should venture over to the Mass Effect 3 forums....that's murder over there.

What truly amazes me is how software developers seem able to put on the market a product strictly "not fit for purpose" and get away with it. I must be unlucky with OS's, first I had that MS dog "Millennium" which all and sundry said was rubbish. What is my present OS, Vista 32, and what are the experts saying, you guessed it, it's the new "Millennium!!! I can think of no other item that I buy of value, that I would put up with such poor service without demanding a full refund. We must be all crackers.

Vonte

I'll try again, exactly what was promised?
Not what was wished for?

Cheers

Stop trolling.

A working game with working multiplayer was promised.

Funny, I have one of those.

+1

Me too but in all fairness it should say on the DVD case "Multiplayer with up to 128 players at a time, up to 1 hour at a time":cool:

Wow thanks for pointing out the new Tank sim Blaze of War being available, I was following the development on the russian forums and stopped checking.
I had no idea it was out.

I suggest if you like other sims like Silent Hunter, you check out this new Tank one from Graviteam, it may pass the time till Clod Beta releases a patch to fix what we bought.

I look forward in the near future for a fixed Clod. Keep at it.

Usually,I don't like to post in threads like this one, because they are pointless.
But when potential newcomers read this they may conclude that Clod is crap.

I must say that I fly online and enjoying it from April without any bigger problems.
First it was annoying sound bug wich happened here and there,
then with last patch I got constant CTDs.But I was on 32-bit system.
Installed 64bit OS, reinstalled CloD, CTD problem still exist but it is rare.
I have fast PC ,but i don't have high end GPU (gtx560) and flyin with almoust
everything maxed out(trees on low).
I would suggest to those of you who have big problems with CTDs to try to do same thing, it was suggested earlier, there was even topic about that.
With respect to those that have problems,I don't belive that someone is lucky, and the other with respectable hardware isn't.

Also another thing, I hope that everyone here understands that there is
very slim chance that any other developer will produce WW2 plane simulator.
Market is too small, and effort needed is huge.
Do you think that MG doesn't know how to make some arcade,
that will in start have much bigger market?

I'm shure that developers will deliver the patch soon,at least that is in their
best interest,much more then ours.
Promised performance boost will allow a lot more pilots to fly CloD,
and open a way to some online campaigns like SEOW and AW ...

All I can say vranac is count yourself as one of the blessed ones. All of my other 11 squadron members have left CloD (for the forseeable future) because of CTD's (I do hope CTD is Crash To Desktop). Most have high end rigs and 64Bit OS's. They report no CTD's in any other gaming genre's. I myself have a modest spec PC (Got to wait for Santa for a more powerful PC) that has no problem running both Aircraft and Tank based Sims. In Unigine Heaven Benchmark, DirectX 11 will run for hours with no BSOD's and still give high 50's fps. I am prepared to accept that I wont be able to see meadow grass or dense forests to keep decent fps's and mid settings graphics. As I stand at the moment, I can land a Tiggi Moth" on the Mall and not drop below 30fps, but on-line combat, 15-20 mins tops in non historical servers before CTD.. So for me as the song says "Things can only get better"

LOL

Vonte

Where exactly am I trolling.
My Meaning is that a lot of people are stating things are promised wich in my humble opinion where not.

The accusation for trolling comes usually together with missing facts/arguments.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/images/icons/icon14.gif ~S~

The whole CTD thing is weird, I dont ever get them aside from occasionally when I load a replay track, but thats less of a CTD and more of a game freeze... I have Win 7 64bit, and a very modest system... I play online (the only bad thing about it is my combat skills).

I did tweak alot, followed alot of the guides and such. Dont know whaat the difference might be.

sith do you fly with squad mates or normally by yourself, I find I get most of my CTD when flying in formation especially with two engine aicraft.

I am usually flying with one other person, to call it a formation might be a stretch :)

That may be it, something with multiple planes in close proximity, as I do find myself solo alot... I will try and fly in formation more in the next few days and see if I have issues...

So i'm not trolling I'm asking something :)

Seriously? Am I missing something or did this just came from the Forum Moderator himself? You realize this reflects directly into how 1C is perceived to treat its customers?

I never made a whine/complaint festival in more than 10 years of my relationship with 1C (indeed I do think this is my FIRST post), but I am seriosuly consider making one now!

Show some respect man. I understand those foruns can be difficult at times, but you can (and SHOULD!) be much better than this.

Funny, I didnt see him reference you, not sure why you would think he is talking about you, I didnt think he was talking to me....

He was talking to all of us. Which makes 1C look even worse.

I think he was talking to the people that make a whine fest out of these threads... not sure how that makes 1C look bad when he speaks the truth... I would hate to be a mod here...

There is a point when it's necessary to accept the problem, and swallow the bitter pill. Right now there is more whining than constructive criticism. Unsurprisingly, the whiners tend to see this differently.

The Silent Hunter series weren't exactly polished games when they came out, and the support was minimal, but the difference was that the community was more supportive. The members acknowledged and accepted the problems after an initial period of discontent, and they improved the games to the near masterpieces they are now.

I am not getting such an impression from this community for whatever reason. 1C and especially Luthier's development team are not Microsoft. They made mistakes, and they've acknowledged that. Things will take time to fix. The next step is to wait without getting too hot-headed.

I am sure when the patch is working, SDK is out and there is a good documentation of the mission builder then the whiners will fade out. Currently 1C & the whiners deserve each other imhho.

Best, Allons!

You can't be talking about Silent Hunter 5 now? ;) I agree on SH3 but SH5 was massacred by the community at the release... And rightfully so. There are unfortunately many similarities between SH3/IL2 vs SHV/CloD... SH3 had a rough start but the masterpiece was there to see for everyone and now all the mods made for it makes it live forever. SH5 at the other hand was an ambitious project that never met it's target and was released too early... Unfortunately a year or two if love by the devs may have saved it - but they where axed by the publisher.

So here we are with the "could be masterpiece" in our hands and the irritation over the bad management hurts,both from the publisher and the developer. Let's just hope they survive so we get to see the game at it's full potential!



/mazex

My experience as the Sim stands at the moment is: If I fly on non historical servers (ie not The Channel), I can fly for hours, making beautiful contrails at Angels 22+ but get into a dogfight with numerous AC and I CTD PDQ, Usually when I'm in a kill position (well I kid myself maybe). I do hope the upgrade works, perhaps they are waiting to issue it on it's 1st birthday!!!

Keep watching your six's (It might be me on it)

Salute

Vonte

Well, at least SH community has never had the level of elitism we are now enjoying among IL-2 players today. If someone says in Subsim (the main SH community's forum) that he prefers automatic torpedo firing to manual targeting, no one will say such things like "learn to shoot", "this game is supposed to be difficult, if you want it to be easier, go play some sucking arcades games" etc. Mods were supported right from the start, since nobody fears that the game might be "hacked","broken". Well, I guess the reason behind is SH is pretty much an offline game.
It's pretty funny that the most friendly IL-2 forum I can find is the SAS, a mod forum for offliners. Coincidence perhaps?

A moderated forum for IL-2 focused on offline play?
Cliffs of Dover included?

I would be interested if you do not mind, pointing me where that forum might be? I am not familiar with " SAS"...

Thanks,

Afraid it only covers old (classic?) il-2. A lot of interesting stuff on there though.

http://www.sas1946.com/main/

Well dang, ok I will have looksee anyway as I still have IL2 1946 installed.
Thanks for the info on this,

That's because they ban members and delete any posts they don't like the look or sound of.





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True dat!

Pure joke ! lol ! hospital blaming charity... fun is going on...:rolleyes:

thank god that doesn't happen here :rolleyes:

Wait a minute...
You are saying this about SAS?
Your kidding right? Hypocrisy in action.
So now this post will most likely be deleted and Ill be given points or banned. :grin:

Maaaan, what is the trouble? Chill, dude...
he piss into your cheerios or sumtin?

Lol!

Now that's funny.

+1, LOL.

Hey, at least the SAS forum isn't in-your-face-banana-yellow. This is just repulsive.

Ok, me and a buddy were on the ATAG server, we got into a fight with 2 109s, I got on ones tail, the other got on mine, my buddy on his... first my buddy CTD'd and then a little later into the chase so did I, really fun fight ended in my first CTD :(

I hope the patch address those.... otherwise what a blast that was till the CTD