Anti-Cheat
 

Does anyone know when the anti-cheat code will be implemented either by 1C or Steam? Seeing people obviously cheat online is spoiling this game.

Dont fly much online(apart from squad mates)how can you cheat in this game?

Cheese

Curious about this as well.
How can you tell?

People cheat by modifying the flight and damage models as well as the ammo load out.

You can tell when someone gets 8 kills in a sortie, never runs out of ammo or energy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68C1GoAH2gc

why someone would want to cheat in any game is beyond me but to feel the need to cheat in a flight sim is mind boggling.

I'd be flabbergasted if we saw anti-cheat protection before Christmas of 2013.

If you shoot me down then for sure you are cheating. :)

You can say that, but do you have any proof?
names, times, what they did?

I had several hundred hours flying this train wreck before I wised up, and never saw anything that was a cheat, but I did see some exceptional pilots.

The question about someone is an exceptional pilot or a cheat will be solved once the anti-cheat protection is in place, that is all I am asking for.

@ AKA, I suggest to stop calling someone cheater or hacker, if you dont know the facts! I know exactly wich person you mean, in this case, I would be cheating aswell, because I have the same performance and speed and energy in my plane. He dosent fly faster or climbs better then I, if you would fly one day, on his wing, you would know what I mean.

And why I know it, I fly with the person on TS togheter sometimes, and I learned from him aswell, how to fly the 109 correctly.

It is pretty lame if you ask me, to start such topics, if you dont know what is going on.

The old 24/7 ADW pilots - both VVS and LW - were all regularly called a bunch of cheaters, just because they had talent and way too much time to kill. ;)
I was suspected to cheat myself several times and I made the mistake of suspecting someone else myself once (I fell for the Il2 1946 La-5 FM - a totally shot up La-5 just kept on going for minutes and minutes without any sign of limitation due to missing parts and burning engine, well at least I could admit I was wrong - it wasn´t the player, it was just the game, which was cheating ;P ).

Even if you have 100% cheat proof system, which you will never have, there will always be someone hunting witchers. ;) If you find yourself impressed by virtual stats of a PC game and worry about if someone is better or cheating, you should sit back and think about your life for a while - something went wrong. ;)

I thought Steam had the anti cheat.VAC.

It might be just for hosting a multiplay game and not the dedicated server.

S!

Have been playing old IL-2 actively from 2008.

To date, I haven't seen a single case of cheating in either the old IL-2 or CloD, only good pilots, and the not so good pilots. In some cases the not so good ones claim that the better ones are DEFINITELY cheating :)

Had my fair share of being at the receiving end of the bullet stream, and I can't say that in any of those cases that the bullet donator was cheating. It was just my bad piloting.

If there has been cheaters, they've hidden their cheating well.

I've had these thoughts about the old IL-2 Spit FM as well ;) .. But, as I know how it is "flawed", I can adjust my own flying accordingly.

EDIT:
Just to make my point clear: I have nothing against anti-cheat coding, but I also don't see cheating as much of a problem. At least currently.

It's a game therefore some people cheat. If you don't get that then you are very naive.

It has not been implemented for CoD.

Maybe I'm naive to think that I might get an answer to a simple question, when will anti-cheat prevention be implemented for CoD?

I cannot imagine for the life of me that I could spend the money for a decent rig then, spend the time if I knew how to - find some kind of code or make it that would allow me to have an advantage over someone "just because".

This is a simulator in which to many have a very historical significance to them in some way - they are just connected to it. On many occasions I've ran into people who lost family in this war. So there is a sort of romance with this.

I find that most of the virtual pilots in this seem to be...well...seasoned shall I say. The biggest group of people that watch my videos on this product are between 40-65 and that makes up about 95% of them.

We can all think of many examples where just about anything you do, there is always someone willing to toss out that you are cheating to explain things.

But then again there are those bubblegum smacking, juice drinking preteens that sometimes dominate voice comms always whining about being flat out owned. It's very hard to admit to oneself that indeed not everything our mothers tell us is true. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose.

So help me here Doc, you are saying that cheating does not happen so we don’t need a system to combat cheating?

JD
AKA_MattE

It's a fair question, Skorp. I have no intel on this at all, but I'm guessing that VAC will only be implemented once the recoding is finalized -- hopefully in the foreseeable future.

Matt

You must have misunderstood me or perhaps I didn't make myself very clear. I often am guilty of that now days. :-)

BUT this sort of thing will always be part of life in the virtual world.

No Doc. I hve to disagree.

A lot of ppl are running away from online gaming because of the prevalance of cheating.

A small part found it as a niche to whatever they like in it but most are simply turning away from gaming.

I don't think it's a bad tendency generaly speaking ( for man kind benefits)but for a game like an airplane simulation with a slow learning curves it's simply disastrous.

Many old IL2 big names are not to be seen before long on any CoD server because of this. Youngest tht hve a gaming experience fully parasited by this problem won't for most see any interest to take the time needed to learn such complicated game. Hence the forseen success of much lighter simulation like WoP on console etc...

If 1c and alikes really wants to secure their busness model, it's a battle tht they wld hve to fight. We as users are simply helpless and more like being kept as hostage by the cheater.

As hacking and cheating has now become virtually an "industry", companies like 1C are now taking direct hits from this guys and their corporate model is now directly affected dollar wise. Hence I am confident they will now take it very seriously and found the parade. :rolleyes:

Tom that's ok. Not everyone has what it takes to fly with the pros. There still consoles or even better throwing darts at a pub while sipping a pint.

Tom,

I don't think there's a problem online. Can it be cheated? Of course it can. Is VAC turned on? Who knows. But if VAC is being used like it is in other games, it's not an immediate ban. It gathers info over a period of time then does one massive banning. Anyone that would cheat in a flight sim or try to figure out how to cheat in a flight sim is a piece of garbage IMO. I hate the people that try and ruin others fun just as much as the next guy. But I've been flying online over 1500 hours now (for both red and blue). I've yet to see something that was super fishy.

With that said, I have seen plenty of lag, and without any sort of server-side settings to help with client type stuff (as in old IL2) there's gonna be some funky stuff. Whether people are exploiting (doing this warping stuff on purpose) isn't exactly easy to determine. During a launcher crash you will have 0 FPS but will still be in the server for a while, and during this time your plane doesn't stop in midair. It warps all over the place until you are finally disconnected. The same thing will happen when you lose your internet connection for a split second, and as FPS/Netcode go hand in hand, if you're a person that's flying around, say in a fight on the deck over land with hardly any FPS (getting stutters on your screen) you are warping all over the place for other players.

To give you an idea, we restart the server after every mission. I'm sure you're aware of that. But next time you see the "mission has ended" text don't disconnect. Count the number of minutes you can stay in a server (that isn't actually there) before you get disconnected. 1 second after "the mission has ended text" the console server has already been shut down - FYI. So I bet it's somewhere along the lines of 3 minutes.

Take me for instance. I travel all over the world for work, sometimes using the crappiest network available to get online. Many of these places require a log in every 24 hours to get on their network. So to give you an idea, I've been flying before, lost connection to TS3 because it was time to renew my network, alt tabbed out of game to open up my internet browser to type a username/password in to turn back on my internet. Upon doing this I'm automatically put back into TS3, but do you think I was ever kicked from the game in the 45 seconds I didn't even have internet? No lol. My point is, I believe some of the glaring problems people see or could assume for some sort of cheat/exploit, is still issues with the game itself. I have no doubt this sort of stuff will come along in the future though.

We were promised some sort of dedicated server was in the works as well. So maybe by the time we can run the server as a server instead of as a client all those features will be part of it. Until then, all we can all do is be patient and wait.

I'm best at throwing darts at 6 while sipping a glass of Bordeaux ;)

@Bliss : to be back OT (no more ironing disgressions for me BlkDg), I don't think tht this topic is related to the old UFO cheating, printscreener or any involontary time delay due to networking. No offense to the remarkable work you all hve done with ATAG. Those Admins with the help of the comunity can deal.
I was more on a subtle approach after ppl tht are actually "engineering" (poorly in fact) their cheat mode. For these, users (and Admins ?) can't do nothing. Defenses hve to be hard-coded.

not true.....once i had the luck to get 10 kills in one sortie on atag.
i admit i reached that score only once yet during one flight, but its no proof of cheating whatsoever.
i heard, read, that its pretty simple to open and edit the files responsible for the flight models, but i have neither an idea, nor am i interested in doing so.
but 8kills in a sortie are no proof for cheating.

Yesterday, I scored over 10 points per flight.
Record no.:(
In a chat AKA_ guys have written that I have no ammo limit.
As usual, probably thinking cheating:?
People are different. Some people think that this is not possible, because they are unable to do so.
I repeat, I do not use cheats. I was just flying.
Many have already realized this, thank you!:wink: