New CTD poll
 

Since the last one was locked...

Do you experience CTD or lockups while playing CLOD?

(Vote also No1 if you restart CLOD to avoid the CTD or lockup)

Ok here we go again, although I did look at the list of people who voted last time and they were all genuine members, I guess someone didn't like the results.

I can count on one hand how many lockups and/or CTDs I have experienced in 100+ hours of playing CoD, so with that said Ill go with option 3

On that note, CoD is not the only flight sim out that has CTD issues.. I was playing RoF today and I got a CTD.. And RoF has been out for years.. Which only goes to show every game is a WIP.. Which is to be expected in that most games are on the cutting edge of technology.. Some of which is not fully debugged itself, DX11 API being a good example of that.

Yeah....someone didn't and they got banned for 'vote rigging'

Restart work arround
 

The restart has fixed the ctd mostly, as long as we dont formate with other twins.:sad:

I do not fly ClOD that often, but I do not suffer from CTDs.

I don't fly often because COOPs do not work on the Channel map.

Gah, voted wrong. I think the question options aren't worded well.

Yes, I do get crashes, but not all the time (since I don't often play marathon lengths), but I DO believe it to be a memory leak issue.

Not even sure why I voted in this. It's kind of a stupid question since it's obvious there's an issue. All this is doing is just taking a cheap shot. How is any of this 'news'?

Why does it matter?

They'll release a patch in summer of 2013 to fix it.

Only in multiplayer. It crashes after about 1 hour every time I play.

Hmmm poll re worded to skew the results. Funny. Don't think I'll bother voting this time unfortunately. It could have been quite useful.
If I catch anyone else using multiple accounts to vote, the ban will be anything from 2 weeks to permanent depending on past record.Be warned.

How can they all be genuine members when at least one of them is the same person?

Well I recognised all the names on the voters list. Although I have had a pm from AOA suggesting that I am Icuras?? So is that what you are refering to?

S!

Voted the "rarely"-option. Last night my game crashed in the plane selection screen (the screen in MP where you have the plane visible that you can rotate) when I double clicked the plane name to change it.

I've had no inflight-CTD since I went from 4GB -> 8. A squad mate did have the inflight-CTD last night, and he has exactly the same rig as I do. I did get timeouted from the server though a bit later. Before that me and my squad mate got a serious case of jumping. Pings were well above 100ms but that shouldn't cause so much jumping (well, atleast not in old IL-2). After a while juggling in and out of formation, mate got the CTD.

I love the way you spelled it wrong.......

lol, did I, well dont read anything into that :grin::grin:

The person concerned has been dealt with. Its all rather embarrasing and childish that someone would do that, for their own agenda. They do no favours to anyone here.

Can a MOD please delete the other Poll?

Best not to until we have finished going through usernames. Multiple voters X multiple ip address's will take some time to go through. Its locked anyway.

I'm not sure I can vote here, the options are a bit too "drastic" for me. I do get lockups and CTDs, but strangely almost exclusively when starting the FMB and selecting a mission I had saved in a previous session or when loading the landscape. I never had a CTD while flying but then I rarely fly long missions - ATM I'm training the use of the Ju 87 (and especially the dive-bombing procedures). :mrgreen:

The CTD's I get are exclusive to flying but then again I have not spent a lot of time in the FMB.

As far as i can guess, the CTDs and lockups mainly occur when flying online after about 40 mins, though some have reported them before that and some after more than a hour.

It seems to be a MEM leak error for most. Some people restart CLOD after each online sortie and that seems to stop the crash(that's why i added the bit about restarting CLOD)

Sorry CsThor i wasn't aware of the FMB crash.

Never had a crash in the FMB, I sometimes get one after 60-90 minutes flying if I haven't restarted CoD.
I only have 4 GB ram, but can fly much longer than squadmates with 8-16 Gb ram.

Well thats interesting, I have 16GB of ram and I crash pretty quick 15-20 mins, Obviously all ram as been tested. I will try taking some ram out and test it.

Could it be that CloD is very sloppy when it comes to RAM use? Especially when a lot of it is available?

i have 4 gigs ATM, and i dont have crashes.

but i never play more than 40 mins before i get bored and i mostly play on the online maps, with 2 or 3 squad mates

Thats prob why you dont get them pupo, maybe you could test it. Stay in a online mission for about a hour and see what happens.

Well i've got 16 gb and crash sometimes online when there are a lot of people on the server.
Upgrading from 4 to 16 gb made the game playable for me, before I coudnt even get any futher than get in to a plane and start engine befor a chrash.
Mind you I also did a complete re install of the sim.

Only very rarely have any sort of crash or lockup so voted accordingly, however I do find that when it does crash it resets most of my settings and I have to redo them again which is a pain.

Well I can not say I am suprised that Tree would discuss a private message (PM) in public..

But I am a little suprised that he would go as far as to spin what was said in that PM..

On second thought.. I am not suprised.

As for the old poll..

It is suprising just how many people voted for option #1 that have no or just one post in the forums and how many actully joined that day to vote!

I guess there is nothing like a poll to bring members out of the wood work! ;)

If you mean ghosty ACE, hes a sqd mate of mine who couldn't remember his login details so had to re register to vote.
You can join our TS and ask him if you want... i will PM you the TS3 IP.

really having to rally in the allies to get the result you want then.........please don't punch me!

no not ghosty.. and please lets not muddy up your poll anymore than it needs to be.. the fact that the mods (Uther) has not named names should be a clue to all that we should not be naming names in public

Voted!

ACE agreed, I only named Ghosty because i know him.

With regards to the memory leak CTD's. Are we sure 4GB+ RAM helps? Can the game even allocate 4 gigs or more of available RAM? being a 32-bit exe and all? Just asking, guess the devs knows best.

Voted again.

Not sure why its necessary to have the poll. I've never had the CTD's but I'm sure many others are having them. The developers are well aware of the problem are producing a patch that will address the problem. If they don't the sim is dead. Its just a matter of an unfinished sim with unoptimized code, there is no mystery. People go on and on about this not working and that not working, of course there are going to be aspects not working.....THE SIM ISN'T FINISHED.

I think the poll as been done because a number of people suggested that the CTD's were only suffered ny a minority of users, as you can clearly see that is not the case.

Actually it was Tree who said those who do not suffer CTDs at all, or infrequency are in the minority..

Put another way Tree was saying those who suffer CTD all the time are in the majority..

And as can be seen in this poll thus far, that is not the case

I think this poll is invalidated by the previous one showing how determined some are to get the negative result they want, on the other hand it's going to be great for sniffing out all those alternate accounts, it's just a shame mods tools can't get around all of the cheats.

but as it stands it shows half the people get constant CTD's while the other half have a normal experience.

If I open CloD and go straight to the editor, open or create a scenario and then launch it I get a CTD every time. In order to get around this I open CloD, fly a Quick Mission, then open the editor, launch a home made scenario and fly it. Which isn't ideal.

Sad but true.. Combine that with the the way this poll was re-worded to skew the results and it is clear the end result is biased to the negative

Even with all that stacked against the positive, it is interesting to see how many who don't have any CTD. Based on all the replies I have seen in this forum my gut told me that would be the smallest group..

But that gut-feeling of mine does not take into account all the multi posts by the same person over and over for the negative made it look worse than it actully is

That is one good thing that came of all this, because prior to this poll the HALF that claim CTD's all the time were referred to as the MAJORITY and the other HALF (never, sometimes) was referred to as the MINORITY

It's interesting how the majority has always a lock/CTD, and a vast majority has always/sometimes a lock/CTD. It would be interesting to check if the minority that never had a lock/CTD a) plays online, b) plays more than 75/90 minutes.

But the debate is futile, because we will get soon a patch supposed to remove this issue.

Cheers,
Ins

It is a great shame, its clear that more people have CTD's than dont, so I rest my case.

in my world 52% is a majority. anyway it shows the problem is real, other wise why would Luthier speak of fixing it?

ACE yes its great that only 20% playing CLOD dont get CTD.

Yes it is interesting.. But about the only thing that can be said with certainty is that anyone who refers to either half as a minority or majority must be basing it on that 'new math' all the kids are talking about ;)

But what with some of the negative types willing to rig the voting it is hard to rest the case either way.. Mater of fact now that the negatives were caught in the act, look for them to vote in this poll for the NEVER and SOMETIMES catagory with the intent of getting caught to make the positives look as bad as they are

52% get a crash every time they play only 20% dont get a crash.... lol what maths are you doing now is it your DX11 maths lol. :grin::grin:

A single person was caught.

Oh if only you would Tree....

What it show is up to this point in time (allegedly) 44 people get CTD's, several 0 posters in the mix and parts of your fan club, so not exactly conclusive.

Given the debacle on the last poll, now the vote riggers have smartened their act I'm surprised they haven't gone for discrediting the opposition votes by padding them out.........I guess theres still time though.

I have a fan club? I thought you and AOA were the celebs round here. There was only ONE alleged vote rigger. Anyway Im expecting my apology anytime soon.

ACE are you saying the still isn't a CTD problem with CLOD? even when Luthier said as much and they are trying to find a fix in the next patch?

appology for what?

No Tree.......remember I havent been around as long as you have, making all your predictions etc......by the way....fancy giving me some lottery numbers?

Well you stated that if the minority was those who dont get a CTD you would apologise, well im still waiting.

the way I see it things are level pegging, no clear majority either way, you can't seriously be apportioning the 'sometimes' camp to beef up your claim can you?........
I can't think of a single game/software I ever owned that didn't sometimes crash.

51% get CTD's and 24% dont get any.... a clear majority no matter how much spin you put on it. Anyway im tired of this, and Ive no doubt everyone is bored and clearly see the results for themselves. Try these for saturday night, but I want a cut if they come in.

6 14 23 28 32 45

don't forget to include the group I voted in....you know the 25% that makes up 100%.........

51% is simply not a majority, remember we are trying to prove your own 'COD is inherently broken' theory here.

Actully this poll has been running around 50 50 since the start..

Where 50% in option 1 consists of
a) CoD CTDs everytime they play
b) CoD does not CTD anymore because I restart the game after every sortie

Note option 1b being the re-wording bias skew that so many have made note of

Where 50% in option 2 and 3 consits of
a) never CTD
b) rarly CTD

Yet when YOU FIRST MADE A REFERENCE to the minority, you said those who dont have CTD issues (ie options 2 and 3) are in the minority. So it was YOU who wanted us to belive that HALF equates to MINORITY.. Nice try but no sale

Did you miss my post ACE?

Anyway im sure Luthier knows what hes talking about when he spoke about the memory leak, maybe you should tell the programers not to bother looking for a fix ACE

Just stop posting in the threads of those which do anything to pull CoD in the dirt.

That way all miscreants are easily identified and banned if necessary.

It would shurely work, as they have proven to be untrainable.

Ah good at least you admit that now.. Which is a big change from your previous post, i.e.

Glad to see your getting up to speed!

Whoops looks like I spoke too soon? Saw you next post, i.e.

So now it is alleged?

And you were doing so well there for a few brief seconds :(

On that note of JUST ONE.. Clearly you missed Uther's reply to furbs request to del the old poll.. i.e.

Where it clearly shows they (the mods) are not done sifting through all the multi handles multi IP voter fraud tactics..

Again, gold star for spin tatics

But no sale

Still saying?

Ah I get it.. more spin tatics.. Easy to spot in that I noticed you failed to quote anything I said that would remotly resemble me saying that

Gold star for effort

But no sale

So you have taken all this effort to prove something that was already established?.......no I don't think so, the sole aim of this poll is to attempt to show COD as somehow inherrently broken.........please don't punch me

ACE, ok il rephrase...

Do you agree with Luthier that CLOD has a memory leak problem that causes CTD and lock ups?

And are you calling the users that voted "yes" liars and cheats?

They are very bitter arn't they furbs.... jeez.

Yes I agree with Luthier, with the added qualifier

My long standing qualifier that states that different PCs (hardware and software) will have different levels of CTDs..

Where some never, some sometimes, and some always..

Hey just like the poll suggests!

Thanks for the poll that confirms my long standing qualifier

Not at all!

As I noted above, and in so many of my previous posts on this subject..

The PC will determine the frequency of the CTD

Agreed ACE but CLOD causes the CTD, and far far too many people get it to say that CLOD doesn't have a major problem, like the poll shows and Luthier agrees.

Alleged?

Just for clarification Tree.. Are you saying the 1C moderators are lying to us about about the vote rigging?

I'm still on my old math, where 52% is a majority (absolute, to be precise), if it was 48% I had rather defined it a relative majority, but still a majority. Math was not your strong point, was it? :-)

lol :grin::grin::grin::grin::grin::grin::grin:

The mods only said that about the first poll ACE, not this one.

I would agree that most of the CTDs are caused but CoD.. But there is a good chance that not all CTDs are caused by CoD alone. It could be due to a combination of software, for example look at the link below, i.e.

TEAM SPEAK caused CoD to CTD

Where that user noticed CoD crashing when he held down the teams speak button too long.. And we all know how many flight simmers use team speak online, thus who knows how many CTDs that were cased by teams speak were wrongly attributed to CoD.. Who knows what other software interaction with CoD is causing problems

He's got his polls mixed up furbs, I bet he was really hoping that I was the double voter lol :grin::grin::grin:

I guess you missed my post where I pointed out the poll has been around 50 50 since the start.. There were times where the other half (never, sometimes) had a bigger percentage than the allways crowd..

But did anyone from the never and sometime crowd jump in and claim victory?

Nope!

But the allways crowd gets 51% and they line up to claim victory!

Too funny, but it does show how far the negatives are willing to go (sink to?) to win.. As if the voter fraud wasnt enough.

True, but CLOD does have a memory leak, its in the code and Luthier has acknowledged it...its a fact. This poll which the mods have no problem with says exactly that, so why the sour grapes ACE?

So.. is that a yes Tree? Are you saying the mods are lying to us about the voter rigging?

Ah good I am glad to hear you admit that other software can be causing some of the CTDs that CoD users are experancing! S!

No need to quarrel about a serious bug recognized as such by the devs, who declared that it will be corrected by the new gfx engine which will get rid of "a lot of bad code" (Ilya). Nitpicking about the percentage is nonsense, we are simply too many experiencing regular CTDs.

Again, I'm somewhat curious about people never experiencing the CTD, I'm not sure that it has to do with the PC rather than the gaming habits - offline, shorter periods of time etc.

Cheers,
Insuber

I agree Isuber, most of us know it, the programmers know it, Luthier knows it.

Anyway...its done.

Im out of here!

You call me negative, when I try and be objective. This is quite annoying. And there is nothing to win or to loose, neither a victory to claim. I'm sorry that you take sides instead of analyzing the results.

Cheers,
Ins

Key word try.

Fact is when the never and sometimes poll had a bigger vote percentage no one from that group jumped in and claimed victory with a 51%

Only those who voted allways did that.

Speaks volumes

Nobody is perfect, apart AoA. Put this in your signature, if you wish. But without your usual cuts.

I noticed that you failed to quote anything I said that had a 'cut' in it..

Speaks volumns

As a forum member:
I didn't bother voting this time for the reasons I stated earlier, I didn't like the way the poll was reworded.
For information, I just flew nearly 3 hours on ATAG in bombers (JU88 and Stuka) with no CTD's...
Personally I think the poll is completely useless, the CTD problem has already been flagged up IIRC. Hopefully it will be sorted in the patch.

As a mod:
RE the vote rigging, I hope it was just the one individual, although he did have 15 usernames...
I'm still checking. Lets move on from that incident now.
Please keep the bickering out of the thread, or it will be locked, and infractions issued, which will be unfortunate for some of you.

Respectfully, your multiquotes are a series of cuts. That's what I meant, mate, no need to have a dispute on minimal things.

Cheers,
Ins

Ah so when I quote someone.. And break it into individual statments.. You call that a 'cut'? Interesting.. Because to me the word 'cut' implies that I left something out of the quote.. As if to change the meaning or take it out of context.. Which is not the case at all. Thanks for clearing that up!

Same here...and you have a similar system to mine, lower end:-P I think many need to explore their system/maintain it/look for conflicts.:grin:

Agreed 100%

Actually on second thoughts I am going to close it, as it seems that the thread starter 'wants out'.