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raaaid 01-04-2012 05:05 PM

3 things that put me off the game
 
the sun blinds too much

planes are too dificult to see

and above all at the begining of the game both 109 and spit were close turners making true the manual maxima the machines are so close its up to the pilot, after succesive patches it turn a game of caughting by surprise being planes so different :(

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yesterday i had like a five minute turning duel in rof me in a fokker drI and the other guy in a sopwith camel ended by a salute

i miss that in il2 and clod

JG52Krupi 01-04-2012 06:16 PM

Well in real life from what I have read the sopwith pilot would have thrown a brick at your head ;)

I certainly have experienced in il2:1946 after a long dogfight in which we both ran out of ammo we flew side by side before heading home.

BaronBonBaron 01-04-2012 06:44 PM

I agree that the sun blinds to much. I kinda wish we could make the pilot squint and partially close his 'eyes' (narrow and darken the screen?) to focus and see better in bright light.

fruitbat 01-04-2012 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BaronBonBaron (Post 376285)
I agree that the sun blinds to much. I kinda wish we could make the pilot squint and partially close his 'eyes' (narrow and darken the screen?) to focus and see better in bright light.


Disagree, the suns effects are fine in the game and probably the best in any flight sim imo, you looked into the sun recently, its bloody bright.

jayrc 01-04-2012 07:25 PM

I agree that the sun effects are great in game, but in real life you can put your hand up and you will be able to see pretty much eveything to the side of it, I've heard of pilots using their thumb to cover the sun and if you were being bounced you would see them outside your thumb, I've put in a request to have pilot goggles on a toggle button so that you could manage the glare a little by darkening the screen like when your pilot gets injured and sees red, but again I think the sun effects are awesome

bongodriver 01-04-2012 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jayrc (Post 376300)
I agree that the sun effects are great in game, but in real life you can put your hand up and you will be able to see pretty much eveything to the side of it, I've heard of pilots using their thumb to cover the sun and if you were being bounced you would see them outside your thumb, I've put in a request to have pilot goggles on a toggle button so that you could manage the glare a little by darkening the screen like when your pilot gets injured and sees red, but again I think the sun effects are awesome

if youre sitting there squinting and holding your thumb up to the sun then you arent paying attention to flying, 'beware the hun in the sun' was a phrase coined for good reason, you can hide in it's glare.

jayrc 01-04-2012 07:55 PM

Then why do pilots have tinted goggles? And the thumb trick I read somewhere, Gregory Pappy Boyington used this trick more than once and was able to make out japanese fighters in the sun, but then again he did get shot down, I just think something can be done ~S~

bongodriver 01-04-2012 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jayrc (Post 376313)
Then why do pilots have tinted goggles? And the thumb trick I read somewhere, I'll try to find the reference

for the same reason people wear sunglasses, it helps reduce the eye strain from bight ambient light.

jayrc 01-05-2012 12:41 AM

Disagree, heard a plane fly over today, looked up, sun was too bright to see, put on my glasses, saw it.:cool:

bongodriver 01-05-2012 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jayrc (Post 376313)
Then why do pilots have tinted goggles? And the thumb trick I read somewhere, Gregory Pappy Boyington used this trick more than once and was able to make out japanese fighters in the sun, but then again he did get shot down, I just think something can be done ~S~

Well of course something can be done, like assign a key so a virtual thumb appears to blot the sun, just make sure it cannot be assignable to a hotas function or that won't be realistic at all, it seemed quite rare to see RAF goggles with tinted lenses (not sure about the germans)

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Disagree, heard a plane fly over today, looked up, sun was too bright to see, put on my glasses, saw it.
well I am pretty sure sunglasses do not immunise you from the glare of the sun, I should know, you certainly won't be able to keep your eyes on target for long if the sun is directly in view, you might be better off using welding goggles.

Basically I think the sun glare in game is the closest to real life I've seen, but if we end up with the virtual thumb then everybody is happy.

ATAG_Snapper 01-05-2012 12:47 PM

The blinding sun effects in CoD is the best I've ever seen in a flight sim. TrackIR with its 6 DOF can be put to full use by using the overhead canopy frame to obscure the sun for a little better look at the sunward sky.

Spotting aircraft IS difficult, it's VERY difficult as we all know. Some tips for spotting enemy aircraft:

1. Be alert for flak. The black stuff is inaccurate, but it gives a heads up of an enemy presence & flight direction in the general area & altitude. The nasty white bursts of flak are VERY accurate -- track those white puffs and you WILL see the enemy!

2. Fly high and fast. Down low it's actually easier to spot other aircraft against the sky, but you're also vulnerable. Check 6 constantly, not occasionally. This includes your high 6 and low 6. Every 30 seconds or so I rudder left, then right, while looking behind for anyone sneaking up from below or maneuvring to dive on me from above.

3. Despite what my signature says, if you see a 109 in your mirror -- close your eyes tightly: he can't see you when you do that. Also sing "Rule Britannia" or something suitably patriotic. I toggle off my mirror to improve frame rates, anyway.

4. Keep your monitor resolution low. You probably do, anyway, to keep your frame rates up. Low res = bigger pixels = easier to spot distant aircraft.

5. Online play: fly with a buddy and use Teamspeak. Fly side by side about 500 meters (or more) apart. It's a ton easier watching each other's 6 than your own. Plus, if attacked your buddy can call out which way for you to roll so he can then do likewise onto your attacker.

Hope this helps. Rule Britannia! :D

jayrc 01-05-2012 01:24 PM

lightly tinted screen, same effect as sunglasses, on a toggle is all I'm suggesting.

JG52Krupi 01-05-2012 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jayrc (Post 376514)
lightly tinted screen, same effect as sunglasses, on a toggle is all I'm suggesting.

Yes and let's have a rof style pilot pack so I can buy some aviators or oakleys :P, it's annoying but it's meant to be and once it saves your ass you wont mind it so much ;)

bongodriver 01-05-2012 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jayrc (Post 376514)
lightly tinted screen, same effect as sunglasses, on a toggle is all I'm suggesting.

But the realism police will be all over that idea like white on rice ;), to be honest a feature like that is going to have to take a position way to the back of the line.

NLS61 01-05-2012 01:56 PM

It is not as big a problem as you would think.
Move your head so that the sun is mostely blocked by an copitframe the glare is then a lot less.
Tracking enemies is then not impossible.
I think the sound radar is much more of a problem.

Sternjaeger II 01-05-2012 02:18 PM

I'm only afraid someone might end up sitting on that virtual thumb at some point :rolleyes:

jayrc 01-05-2012 11:29 PM

Just thought it would be nice, I've got no trouble spotting enemy planes or evading a bounce, that's really not what I'm talking about, and implementing it wouldn't be too hard since it's already done with pilot injury. Also, tinting the screen makes it even harder to see planes.

bongodriver 01-06-2012 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jayrc (Post 376640)
Just thought it would be nice, I've got no trouble spotting enemy planes or evading a bounce, that's really not what I'm talking about, and implementing it wouldn't be too hard since it's already done with pilot injury. Also, tinting the screen makes it even harder to see planes.

So you just want a tinted windscreen to make the plane look pimp?

jayrc 01-06-2012 01:44 AM

Who said anything about the windscreen?

bongodriver 01-06-2012 09:01 AM

you said the effect would make it more difficult to see planes
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Also, tinting the screen makes it even harder to see planes.
so you just want a tinting effect for the sake of it? to give the ilusion of wearing sunglasses?

jayrc 01-06-2012 09:00 PM

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Here's some pics, if you think the sun is too bright, use it, if it doesn't bother you then don't, it's not a magic button that's going to show enemy planes in the sun, just make it more comfortable on your eyes while your searching, I'm sure MG could do a much better job with this effect than xplane did ~S~


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