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JG52Krupi 12-15-2011 07:41 AM

27" to 30" Gaming Monitor
 
Hi guys,

Could you give me some advice on what is good?

I know the dell ultra sharp are very good monitors but they are way too expensive, so what do you guys have/recommend.

Btw I have a 24" acer ATM but fancy going a bit larger.

JG52Uther 12-15-2011 07:59 AM

I use a 32" 100Hz samsung TV. Works for me...;)

jg27_mc 12-15-2011 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JG52Uther (Post 370325)
I use a 32" 100Hz samsung TV. Works for me...;)

Can you share the exact model?
Do you fly with vsync on? Are you experiencing any ghosting or blur?

Regards.

JG52Uther 12-15-2011 09:37 AM

This is the model I use: Samsung - UE32D5000 - 32" LED-backlit LCD TV - 1080p . Obviously some people think a dedicated monitor is better ( I had a 22" samsung monitor before) but I personally don't have any problems with it and don't see ghosting or blurring. I have v synch on.

jg27_mc 12-15-2011 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JG52Uther (Post 370350)
This is the model I use: Samsung - UE32D5000 - 32" LED-backlit LCD TV - 1080p . Obviously some people think a dedicated monitor is better ( I had a 22" samsung monitor before) but I personally don't have any problems with it and don't see ghosting or blurring. I have v synch on.

TY for the feedback.

Ali Fish 12-15-2011 11:40 AM

ive been wondering what is it within a TV that can make it good monitor ? what does one look for basicly ? or is there some trial and error.

my dev friend uses 2 x 32 inch samsung tv,s for his kartsim development and wonderfull looking graphics. when i plug my pc into my 37 inch its just stupidly crap looking.

hc_wolf 12-15-2011 01:01 PM

I love my panasonic 42" lcd. Its awesome for il2. no blur issues at all. And I can see planes and bombers from max distance

jimbop 12-15-2011 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hc_wolf (Post 370391)
I love my panasonic 42" lcd. Its awesome for il2. no blur issues at all. And I can see planes and bombers from max distance

I was just about to start a similar thread after listening to you spotting targets miles away last night on ATAG! What model is this? I'm interested in the resolution particularly since I would need to use it for text too - thanks.

Whiski 12-15-2011 07:43 PM

I am currently using a 32" LG, 60 htz with a 1366x768 res.

It's great, but come Christmas day I will be mounting the 40" Samsung 120htz, 1920x1080 native res, it has a 60000:1 dynamic contrast ration (which should help my eyes a bit) and of course 1080p HD.

The Christmas fat man is good this year, giving me a Logitech G940 flight system as well...so, I will be crashing and burning trying to get used to the rudder peddles...so all you blue aces take it easy if ya see a Spit wobbling across the channl :-).

Whiskey

ACE-OF-ACES 12-15-2011 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JG52Krupi (Post 370321)
Hi guys,

Could you give me some advice on what is good?

I know the dell ultra sharp are very good monitors but they are way too expensive, so what do you guys have/recommend.

Btw I have a 24" acer ATM but fancy going a bit larger.

There is another option..

Matrox TripleHead2Go

Long story short, it combines 3 monitors into 1, such that you only need one video card.

Example of typical TH2G setup

The periferal vission of this kind of setup is hard to beat.. For examlple, when I look left (270) I can still see the tip of the nose of my AC in the RHS screen and the tip of the tail of my AC in the LHS

So, if your looking for a cheap way to do widescreen.. think TH2G.. You can pick up 3 normal size monitors cheaper than one big wide one.. Only real downside is the boarders of the monitors.. but.. to be honest, you dont even notice them after playing awhile

JG52Uther 12-15-2011 08:21 PM

ACE I just think those vertical bars would drive me mad! I know a few people use them, but in pics I don't see how you could ignore them.

jimbop 12-15-2011 08:32 PM

I thought the triple monitors wasn't working at the moment?

ACE-OF-ACES 12-15-2011 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JG52Uther (Post 370500)
ACE I just think those vertical bars would drive me mad! I know a few people use them, but in pics I don't see how you could ignore them.

I thought the same thing when I first saw it..

But I dont even notice them anymore..

I think what is going on is my brain has learned to treat the 'monitor frame' the same way it treats the in-game plane 'cockpit frames'

As in if what I want to see (bogie) is being blocked by that 'frame' I simply move my view (head in my case with TIR) until I can see it

Now it seems very natural.. Only if I 'think' about them and look right at them do I notice them

ACE-OF-ACES 12-15-2011 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbop (Post 370505)
I thought the triple monitors wasn't working at the moment?

TH2G is transparent to CoD.. to any game really

Even to windows to some extend

My '3' 1280x1024 show up as '1' 3840x1024 monitor to windows

Win7 seven detcts TH2G such that you don't even need to install the MATROX software.. But, at some point you will have to install the MATROX software to config the TH2G device.. but I did that once, a long time ago, and when I upgraded from XP to Win7 I didnt need to reinstall the MATROX software becuse the device config is held on the device

Long story short, as far as Win7 knows I have '1' 3840x1024 monitor

335th_GRAthos 12-15-2011 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES (Post 370508)
Long story short, as far as Win7 knows I have '1' 3840x1024 monitor

But despite that, in CoD you do not have peripheral vision like IL2FB because CoD does not support it unfortunately :(

Second post from the top:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...t=28341&page=3

~S~

ACE-OF-ACES 12-15-2011 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos (Post 370511)
But despite that, in CoD you do not have peripheral vision like IL2FB because CoD does not support it unfortunately :(

Second post from the top:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...t=28341&page=3

~S~

I don't know what to say, other than I run CoD at 3840x1024

Note what Luither said in that post, i.e.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luthier
Personally, I'm flying on three monitors. If it’s not working for you, we need a more specific description of the problem.


jimbop 12-15-2011 09:18 PM

Ace, does your setup show POV270 on left and POV90 on right or is the display stretched across? Could you/grathos post a photo of your screens with a cockpit view? I'm confused...

ACE-OF-ACES 12-15-2011 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbop (Post 370522)
Ace, does your setup show POV270 on left and POV90 on right or is the display stretched across? Could you/grathos post a photo of your screens with a cockpit view? I'm confused...

Im at work right now, Ill post a pic when I get home..

From memory, while sitting in the spit.. Look forward (12) I can see most of the wing.. but not all the way out to the wing tip like you could in IL-2

But IL-2 was a fudge funky widescreen view.. the wings appears to be swepped foward, and if you tilted yourhead the horizon and plane would bend at the cross over between monitors.. That does not happen in CoD.. In CoD you get a much wider view that looks totally normal

ATAG_Doc 12-15-2011 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbop (Post 370505)
I thought the triple monitors wasn't working at the moment?

Oh yes it is. Nvidia surround gaming is active as well as ATI. There are vids on here of it in action.

ACE-OF-ACES 12-15-2011 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by timej31 (Post 370526)
Oh yes it is.

I can confirm that! ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by timej31 (Post 370526)
Nvidia surround gaming is active as well as ATI. There are vids on here of it in action.

On that note..

Can you tell me if you 'need' two video cards for that? As in each vid card only has two DVI outputs.. thus you need a 2nd card to use one of the DVI outputs for the 3rd monitor

I think some do it by using the HDMI output for a total of 3 using one card?

Anyway.. If you do need two vid cards.. The nice thing about TH2G is you only need one (good) vid card, because TH2G only needs one vid card DVI output to drive all three monitors

TH2G cost around $150 last time I check

ACE-OF-ACES 12-15-2011 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbop (Post 370522)
Ace, does your setup show POV270 on left and POV90 on right or is the display stretched across? Could you/grathos post a photo of your screens with a cockpit view? I'm confused...

In the mean time.. here is a Crossfire example

3xMonitors

What you see there is what I see using TH2G..

With regards to the peripheral view

Problem with that video, the guy who took it stood to close to his setup, such that you can not appreciate the FULL VIEW. To really appreciate it you need to see all three screens at the same time.. Than you can get a feel for how much your peripheral view is increased..

Note the few times that you can see most of all three.. When the gun site is centered.. Note the center monitor shows you what you see/saw with just one monitor.. At those times note how much of the wing you can see both left and right while looking forward. Basically with TH2G you get one whole extra monitors worth of view both left and right.. I tell ya.. it really improves you SA!!

For example, watch this video and pay att to the canopy knock-out on the LHS of the spitfire canopy.. When looking forward with 3 monitors you can see most of that knock out.. When looking forward with 1 monitor you can just see the forward edge of it

1xMonitor

pupo162 12-15-2011 10:44 PM

thats my dream Ace.

iwill wait till apst chrtstmas for a CP upgrade and a third monitor.

Porsche 12-15-2011 11:00 PM

I used to use an Apple 30" monitor. Nothing can compare the the graphic details with this monitor. If you are are more interested in graphics then it is worth the money to buy one or atleast a used one. I presently have a Panasonic 50" 3D tv I use as my monitor. The large screen add a whole different dimension to gaming. However you do lose the graphic details with a 1080p monitor. I am very happy with both. The larger screen really adds realism and feel to the game.

ACE-OF-ACES 12-16-2011 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cheesehawk (Post 370553)
Ugh, I finally found a drawback to Nvidia... Been looking to go to the triple monitor route, but found out that Nvidia you have to use the same monitors throughout, where ATI doesn't! Sucks...

The MATROX TH2G can use different monitors.. So if you have a NVIDIA card and you have three different monitors.. TH2G is your answer

ACE-OF-ACES 12-16-2011 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cheesehawk (Post 370571)
Sweet, thanks for that!

NP, and if you do consider a TH2G make sure you get the digital version, not the analog!! Also know they got another product that merges just two screens togther.. DH2G.. I dont recomend that one.. because the monitor frame will be right down the center of your view.. now way to ignore that! ;)

GOZR 12-16-2011 05:47 PM

Well GTX560 x 2 is even better .. by far. :) SLI when you rendering high res is the only real way to go.

ACE-OF-ACES 12-17-2011 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheesehawk (Post 370727)
I think I'm going to have to switch video cards though, GTX560 seems to be a bit underpowered compared to the 570s+ when you go through Nvidia Surround.

Never tried the NVIDIA Surround.. so maybe.. Neat thing about the TH2G is it does simplify the interface to the PC.. Only one DVI cable connected to one DVI output of the video card.. The TH2G box does the rest, as in connects to the three monitors.. Basically 1 in 3 out.. So the video card does not have to do any fancy rendering to split the image across three DVI outputs across two vidoe cards.. Maybe that is why I am not seeing the stutters that others report? Any other TH2G users reading this thread please let us know what vid cards your using

ACE-OF-ACES 12-18-2011 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cheesehawk (Post 371032)
As far as I understood, you have to have 2x 560s to run Nvidia Surround. It's not an option, but a requirement?

I am not 100% sure.. those who know for sure correct me if I am wrong, but you need 2x vid cards because most vid cards only have 2x DVI outputs

Thus to drive 3x monitors you need 3x DVI outputs, having 2x vid cards gives you 4x DVI outputs

Some of the newere cards have an HDMI output too.. So 'if' that can be used by the NVIDIA surround than you could drive 3x monitors using 1x video card

1 hdmi
2 DVI #1
3 DVI #2

Katana1000S 12-21-2011 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheesehawk (Post 371032)
As far as I understood, you have to have 2x 560s to run Nvidia Surround. It's not an option, but a requirement?

Thats correct ... I have 2 x GTX 570's that can be used in single screen SLI or surround ... I never got round to buying two extra LCD's because I'm still not sure if its the right thing for me!

I'm still not sure if my current LCD monitor is either?

My main Flight sim monitor just now is a Hanns G 27.5 LCD, its not as good as some of the newer Dell's out there, but its great bang for buck ... I was planning three of these for my two GTX 570's, but lots of research tells me that even with 1.3 VRAM per card I'd be pushing it <--- correct me if I'm wrong on this? This would be three times 1920 x 1200 = 5760 x 1200 ? Thats a heck of a resolution to be dealing with ... apparently dual Nvidea cards dont give dual vram in this scenario ... again, correct me if I'm wrong please.

What I do like about this Hanns G LCD is its old school, its 1920 x 1200 compared to a normal 1920 x 1080 ... I own a 1920 x 1080 LCD too and the 1920 x 1200 seems to give more in a flight sim, it looks much better and the extra hight is appreciated here ... I've seen this argued to death,but for me at least its better ... trouble is, nearly all company's now are going to 1920 x 1080, not because its a better gaming resolution, but because its the standard the Movie industry have adopted.

I'm now thinking of selling these cards, maybe getting a GTX580 3GB vram version and a Dell 30" for my ratio while they still make them and offer great warranty on them.

PS: I tried my newish Toshiba 32" bedroom LCD TV (that is a nice bit of kit) 1920 x 1080 60 HZt with HDMI, it looks not too bad in a flight sim, but awful in normal Windows 7 use IMHO ... I know other folks mileage differs.

I need an LCD/LED that looks good in sims and normal windows use.


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