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nearmiss 07-20-2011 07:16 PM

Important message from mods
 
Nineteen I say nineteen reported postings I've gotten today, and even more yesterday. This is unprecedented behavior and it is completely out of hand.

Notice to whiners, complainer, troublemakers and other malcontents

Luthier made an excellent posting this morning in order to clarify the intents of IL2 development team. This should have quelled a lot of the negative discussions and tirades against the developer for not paying attention to this crowd.

I actually would have thought a message from Luthier would have helped restore some sanity and anxiety about BOB COD.

Evidently, that is not the case.

So read carefully... If your posting is reported you will probably get a ban. We have to restore order and civility on the forums. The BOB COD thing may have been the trigger, but we are adults here for the most part. It is time to either make peace or take it somewhere else.

Make discussions with other members as you would have that person make discussion with you.

Every reported post is read carefully. Now, Mods will act on the information they read, not on the reporting posters charge. If the charge is spurious it will be ignored. If there is even the slightest hint of reasonableness to the report the reported poster will get a ban.

Some of you are veteran posters. If your posting is reported your past record with the forums will be reviewed before ban. Your posting may be deleted, but even veterans that are offenders may get a ban.

Reporting members will not be disclosed to anyone.

We regret having to go this route.:(

Ali Fish 07-20-2011 07:24 PM

i would like to apologies for the 18 complaints about me today. and the 1 complaint i made against vengence, i trully am sorry but dont brand me the super troll. And for the record i do stand by what ive said to some degree.(just maybe not as angry)

nearmiss it was an injustice where the removing of a petition was concerned.

JG52Krupi 07-20-2011 07:25 PM

I do apologize for my part in the profanity posted today but I just got fed up, I only started posting again yesterday and already I am getting annoyed at the ridiculous posts by some members... :evil:

I do agree with Ali that the removal of the petition was a bad idea even if it was started by the perpetual fool tree...

carguy_ 07-20-2011 07:27 PM

Acknowledged.
Maybe you can drop me a PM once you feel I`m out of line.

nearmiss 07-20-2011 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ali Fish (Post 312259)
i would like to apologies for the 19 complaints about me today. i trully am sorry but dont brand me the super troll. And for the record i do stand by what ive said to some degree.(just maybe not as angry)

nearmiss it was an injustice where the removing of a petition was concerned.

Luthier knows about it. He is aware of discontent among members. He made a respectful posting this morning. If people cannot accept a respectful response from him... then how does he respond?

nearmiss 07-20-2011 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carguy_ (Post 312263)
Acknowledged.
Maybe you can drop me a PM once you feel I`m out of line.

Sorry, no PM unless action is taken. We don't have time for it.

I got an email on another reported posting as I was writing the starter post on this thread.

This is not good.

We will wait one hour to allow members time to read this thread and think about their discussions on the forums.

David198502 07-20-2011 07:30 PM

why do you have to get personal and offensive again Krupi, calling Tree a fool?

nearmiss 07-20-2011 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David198502 (Post 312266)
why do you have to get personal and offensive again Krupi, calling Tree a fool?

In this situation, this really isn't your business... is it?

Tree can take care of himself.

Hecke 07-20-2011 07:35 PM

Sure you only want to hear positive statements from the big community of fanboys. Why don't you, 1C, especially Maddox Games, listen also to the negative statements IF you want our money next time, too.
That would be a better way to solve the problem. Don't just sit there and keep quiet about what went wrong. Or do you think it's all right with COD? Well I don't think so.

Ali Fish 07-20-2011 07:38 PM

i duno but please remove all emotion from thought a second.

were not really that childish, were not trolls. were all practically mature humans in there 30's, With all due respect wether its a translational issue or other theres somthing not right here and i dont believe it is us.

im in belief Luthier had stated we will try get back to weekly updates. throughout the life of development there has always been weekly updates, But now it appears that we have bought the game and are not entitled to them or to even expect them, Luthier told us we would didnt he ? That is in essence where the malcontent has come from.

We are practically the number one advocators to this product. Cant 1C identify with that ?. Yes we have caused all sorts of trouble, but we still are customers of 1C who have bought a product that wasnt entirely ready for the market for various reasons. We feel decieved because of how it was released and when it was released, Now today the least we are expecting is communication on the matter. the very least. We are not getting it. and Nearmiss wether you agree or disagree is insignificant because we are demanding some decent communication about whats going on. its not a threat its an observation. If 1C would like to appease this situation commnunicate with us. That what will appease your customers base wether you agree or not.

David198502 07-20-2011 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nearmiss (Post 312270)
In this situation, this really isn't your business... is it?

Tree can take care of himself.

yeah not my business.
but dont you think, that this behaviour also leads to the current situation you are trying to prevent?
the forum got way too personal and offensive in the last few days.

JG52Uther 07-20-2011 07:41 PM

Lets hope bans go both ways if warranted.Some people seem to have got away with more than others, and I'm not talking about quote ''whiners, complainer, troublemakers and other malcontents''
Your attitude above is part of the problem.
In fact thats half the problem right there.One word covers all of us that have paid for the game: customers.

carguy_ 07-20-2011 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ali Fish (Post 312274)
We are practically the number one advocators to this product. Cant 1C identify with that ?. Yes we have caused all sorts of trouble, but we still are customers of 1C who have bought a product that wasnt entirely ready for the market for various reasons. We feel decieved because of how it was released and when it was released, Now today the least we are expecting is communication on the matter. the very least. We are not getting it. and Nearmiss wether you agree or disagree is insignificant because we are demanding some decent communication about whats going on. its not a threat its an observation. If 1C would like to appease this situation commnunicate with us. That what will appease your customers base wether you agree or not.

You`re wrong about one main thing, Ali Fish.
You consider yourselves a side of this discussion. You got rid of this status at your own wish.

JG1_Wanderfalke 07-20-2011 07:41 PM

this is very suspicious.

The end is near. :grin:

Redroach 07-20-2011 07:41 PM

Reported the OP. Where in the world do YOU take the right to call forum users "whiners" and "jerks"? Seriously, you asked for it... a week ago, it was pretty quiet, except the dirty below-waistline-kicks dished out by the so-called "adult" users a la "the whiners say"... "ducking before the whine starts" etc. Nice grown-up behaviour, I might say.

The above thing has been resolved by now.

And by the way, luthier's post was directed to new US customers, not towards us. If you want to teach people good manners, I'd suggest to start you-know-where.

Ali Fish 07-20-2011 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carguy_ (Post 312278)
You`re wrong about one main thing, Ali Fish.
You consider yourselves a side of this discussion. You got rid of this status at your own wish.

Status ? you mean your made up status of what you think is anothers status.

Ive tried to apologise ,but now you wont let it go. your as bad as everyone else. except we dont mirror and match alternatives just to suit your own idea of your own status around here.

PM if you feel i get out of hand nearmiss. LOLOLOL. laughable very laughable.

Freycinet 07-20-2011 07:48 PM

Nearmiss, you are getting grief because SimHQ has tightened up their moderation. Finally. It unfortunately means that the haters move over here, where they feel more free to spout their idiocy. That is the one main reason why you see more of them here. They (Tree et al) have actually been posting with pride over there about how many times they have been banned here. It is a badge of honour for them.

I hope you have the time to clamp down on them, but you're really not in an enviable position, so my sympathy goes to you.

Those guys are so sad... - My my, it must be terrible to be them.

Opitz 07-20-2011 07:54 PM

Stop offending Tree ! this is just such coward acts, I just cant believe I can see it on this forum. Yes, he is sarcastic, yes, he writes what some people dont wanna hear but come on... Don't jump on him, just because he is like he is... It just like some kind of insane sect members who are trying to expel naughty member out of their "community"...

This is not fair at all and mods, the real mods should react! And I must say - I don't like the tone of nearmiss. What is it here? Army? Gang? You are ignoring one of our role here - we are all customers - current, future or past.

If Luthier or MG is happy to talk like that to their customers fine. But just let me disagree with it.

And now you can ban me to speak out my opinion in cultural and respectful way.

carguy_ 07-20-2011 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ali Fish (Post 312283)
Status ? you mean your made up status of what you think is anothers status.

Actually, we all lost the status of a side Luthier can talk to, just like Ataros said it went with the Sukhoi.ru forums. Do you understand? They won`t talk to you, me or anyone else now.


Quote:

Ive tried to apologise ,but now you wont let it go. your as bad as everyone else. except we dont mirror and match alternatives just to suit your own idea of your own status around here.
You also thought that your posting history entitles you somehow to post the same drivel as the long time moaners here.
And no, I never thought that I was better than anyone. It`s my attitude that`s better. It`s more productive. I do know that my message is rough compared to Redroach`s or Bliss`s but I also do my part getting it across.

Because where`s action, it`ll be met with reaction.

carguy_ 07-20-2011 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freycinet (Post 312284)
I hope you have the time to clamp down on them, but you're really not in an enviable position, so my sympathy goes to you.

Those guys are so sad... - My my, it must be terrible to be them.

You are a moderator too. Feel free to tell the people here why you banned me over the Ubi forums. I was talking in the same manner but I dared to attack bickerings of a long time poster there.
You also gave the haters a good ground to build on.

ICDP 07-20-2011 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freycinet (Post 312284)
Those guys are so sad... - My my, it must be terrible to be them.

How do you know what happens on SimHQ, I thought you stopped visiting there? your self imposed ban lasted for less than a day. You really are a man of low integrity aren't you, that is a rhetorical question, we know the answer. You post pious self righteous drivel about how sad other people are for daring to have a valid opinion. How can you seriously post about how sad other people are while being a hypocrite who says one thing and does another.

At least have the balls to honour your own promises and threats.

Hecke 07-20-2011 08:02 PM

Software developers and publishers can be really happy that there are so many people with a "I-like-every-game-no-matter-how-badly-it-is-coded" attitude.

Behind closed doors they are probably laughing their asses off seeing how easy it is to satisfy the majority of today's customers. I can already think of the future.

Fjordmonkey 07-20-2011 08:02 PM

Message understood, Nearmiss, and I'd have to say...

It's about time :D

Anvilfolk 07-20-2011 08:10 PM

Oh, just stop it, everyone.

Let's leave it at this, and before you post - whatever "side" you are on - make sure whether ANYONE, ESPECIALLY the dev team, is going to find the content of the post useful. This does NOT include posts about known issues, unless they help shed some extra light or are backed up by evidence. It also does not include posts bashing other members' opinions. If you disagree, provide either contrary evidence, or evidence that undermines the premises of the original argument. That's the way argumentation goes.

On a personal level, I agree with these new measures, as I find this forum less and less useful for anything. I do not agree with taking out the petition, although I wouldn't subscribe. I'd suggest the petition should be a poll, with option of agreeing or being indifferent.

Constructive feedback, criticism and debates. We all need to take a step back.

smink1701 07-20-2011 08:11 PM

"Luthier made an excellent posting this morning in order to clarify the intents of IL2 development team. This should have quelled a lot of the negative discussions and tirades against the developer for not paying attention to this crowd.

I actually would have thought a message from Luthier would have helped restore some sanity and anxiety about BOB COD."

Mod Man,

We are not haters. In fact, many of us are lovers and are obviously very passionate about this game. We (those who have been playing CLoD for months), were excited about July 19th because we thought a major patch was coming along with the U.S. release. Instead…nothing. I am sure that Luthier and Mods saw this coming and were anticipating the community’s response. Pure anarchy. Now Luthier, here are your choices…

1. Do nothing and let the hate fester - BAD
2. Communicate…give us a list of what’s going to be fixed and when. - BETTER
3. Give us a big, juicy patch on Friday. BEST!


Your move.:)

Freycinet 07-20-2011 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carguy_ (Post 312297)
You are a moderator too. Feel free to tell the people here why you banned me over the Ubi forums. I was talking in the same manner but I dared to attack bickerings of a long time poster there.
You also gave the haters a good ground to build on.

Me, a moderator? - That'll be the day... :)

Thanks for the laugh of the day. Sorry, but I never was and never will be a moderator.

Freycinet 07-20-2011 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ICDP (Post 312299)
How do you know what happens on SimHQ, I thought you stopped visiting there?

They totally revamped the forum, deleted everything and started anew. I thought that was a good move that deserved to give them an extra chance.

As for the rest of your posting... Poor you. I pity you.

Freycinet 07-20-2011 08:17 PM

@ Nearmiss: you know you are doing something right when "a certain crowd" is squirming as bad as they are now. Keep on the good work!

the Dutchman 07-20-2011 08:20 PM

If this goes on like it does,nearmiss will be forced to lock his own post because it's been reported,this is hilarious...!

Opitz 07-20-2011 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freycinet (Post 312317)
@ Nearmiss: you know you are doing something right when "a certain crowd" is squirming as bad as they are now. Keep on the good work!

So, Freycinet is in "good" team and he is allowed to spill the oil into fire again? These silly little personal attacks and insults are always at the beginning, so nearmiss, please do what you said.

JG52Uther 07-20-2011 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freycinet (Post 312317)
@ Nearmiss: you know you are doing something right when "a certain crowd" is squirming as bad as they are now. Keep on the good work!

First test for the new regime. That post is intended to inflame.

Vengeanze 07-20-2011 08:30 PM

Funny, my new Ignore list blanks most posters in this thread. :grin:

ICDP 07-20-2011 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freycinet (Post 312314)
They totally revamped the forum, deleted everything and started anew. I thought that was a good move that deserved to give them an extra chance.

As for the rest of your posting... Poor you. I pity you.

I don't need the pity of a dillusional, self aggrandising, brown nosing fool.

Tree_UK 07-20-2011 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freycinet (Post 312284)
Nearmiss, you are getting grief because SimHQ has tightened up their moderation. Finally. It unfortunately means that the haters move over here, where they feel more free to spout their idiocy. That is the one main reason why you see more of them here. They (Tree et al) have actually been posting with pride over there about how many times they have been banned here. It is a badge of honour for them.

I hope you have the time to clamp down on them, but you're really not in an enviable position, so my sympathy goes to you.

Those guys are so sad... - My my, it must be terrible to be them.

Reported, lets see how well these bans go, or are they just for the whiners - again this guy as personally attacked me, I have done nothing to him at all.

whatnot 07-20-2011 08:41 PM

Hehe, another thread down the drain. You guys should lock the forum and not just a few threads here and there. :grin:

Tvrdi 07-20-2011 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freycinet (Post 312317)
@ Nearmiss: you know you are doing something right when "a certain crowd" is squirming as bad as they are now. Keep on the good work!

man your legs are sticking out from his ass....disgusting

SYN_Repent 07-20-2011 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tvrdi (Post 312341)
man your legs are sticking out from his ass....disgusting

lolol

Tree_UK 07-20-2011 08:44 PM

To be honest all of this could of been avoided if Luthier had got someone to talk to us, the mythical Community manager was a good idea but he seems to have got lost in the Dynamic weather.

Pudfark 07-20-2011 08:46 PM

Yup...

A blind eye and a deaf ear is definitely the solution here.

Club "Med"...it's not the beach...it's the trip.

David Hayward 07-20-2011 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudfark (Post 312346)
Yup...

A blind eye and a deaf ear is definitely the solution here.

Club "Med"...it's not the beach...it's the trip.

They're not going blind or deaf, they're banning whining spammers.

nearmiss 07-20-2011 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hecke (Post 312271)
Sure you only want to hear positive statements from the big community of fanboys. Why don't you, 1C, especially Maddox Games, listen also to the negative statements IF you want our money next time, too.
That would be a better way to solve the problem. Don't just sit there and keep quiet about what went wrong. Or do you think it's all right with COD? Well I don't think so.

No, you are wrong!

Sure we want to read positive responses, but they aren't compulsory. The negative banter is non-productive and makes the whole forums stressful for everyone.

You need to realize the original IL2 series was over a year after release where patches were released and people had issues.

Luthier made an excellent response to our community this morning. He and the development team are very busy working on the COD doing all that can be done. He expressed his commitment to this community in the last paragraph.

If you cannot hang here without continually expressing your resentment you would do well to find somewhere else to post.

You are ignoring the fact there are many COD users that are very happy with what they have. The COD videos on this forums are awesome. I'm sure in due course even your issues will be resolved unless your system is just incompatible.

JG52Uther 07-20-2011 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Hayward (Post 312352)
They're not going blind or deaf, they're banning whining spammers.

Another offensive post. This is unacceptable with the new regime.Reported.

nearmiss 07-20-2011 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Dutchman (Post 312323)
If this goes on like it does,nearmiss will be forced to lock his own post because it's been reported,this is hilarious...!

HA HA

I didn't lock any posting because it was reported. I did edit a posting because the reporting party was right. I shouldn't repeat terms describing the trouble makers as everyone else does on the forums. LOL

Sternjaeger II 07-20-2011 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nearmiss (Post 312246)
Nineteen I say nineteen reported postings I've gotten today, and even more yesterday. This is unprecedented behavior and it is completely out of hand.

Notice to whiners, complainer, troublemakers and other malcontents

Luthier made an excellent posting this morning in order to clarify the intents of IL2 development team. This should have quelled a lot of the negative discussions and tirades against the developer for not paying attention to this crowd.

I actually would have thought a message from Luthier would have helped restore some sanity and anxiety about BOB COD.

Evidently, that is not the case.

So read carefully... If your posting is reported you will probably get a ban. We have to restore order and civility on the forums. The BOB COD thing may have been the trigger, but we are adults here for the most part. It is time to either make peace or take it somewhere else.

Make discussions with other members as you would have that person make discussion with you.

Every reported post is read carefully. Now, Mods will act on the information they read, not on the reporting posters charge. If the charge is spurious it will be ignored. If there is even the slightest hint of reasonableness to the report the reported poster will get a ban.

Some of you are veteran posters. If your posting is reported your past record with the forums will be reviewed before ban. Your posting may be deleted, but even veterans that are offenders may get a ban.

Reporting members will not be disclosed to anyone.

We regret having to go this route.:(

This will go into effect within one hour...

It is now 8:13 PM in London, 2:14 PM in Mexico City, 11:14 PM in Moscow, 9:14 PM Berlin.

Nearmiss, it's obvious that there's a massive fail in the system somewhere.

My impression is that, as a moderator, you're getting yourself too much in the thick of it and taking parts, which, for a mod, is a big no no.

A mod is a firm but fair character, but above all he/she needs to earn the respect of ALL the members, which I am afraid you lost. Maybe you should consider stepping down from the role and leave it to someone else, it's just a friendly suggestion, no provocation or harm meant.

I came to this conclusion because your statements about Luthier's post are simply far from the reality, my humble impression is that you know nothing yourself and you're just trying to police a place that is obviously out of control, this for the lack of communication from Luthier, which is disrespectful to the forum member, which are primarily customers who paid to receive an unfinished product and have a right to complain within reason.

And Luthier, if you're reading this, the more you let this thing go the worse it will be, you have lost all my respect, at least Oleg would have the decency to keep up with the community, shame on you Ilya, shame on you.

SNAFU 07-20-2011 09:15 PM

Nearmiss, why don´t you just close the forum and use it only for announcing news of people in charge?

I mean look around here, the members act like a 4 years old, which just dropped its favourite toy and now runs mad, because another kid picked it up and enjoys the toy it just dropped.

99% of the users do not contribute anything constructive, the few members doing something useful will find their way to exchange and share their bit another way. The most just repeat, what was long posted before again and again.

That`s what I would do, if I had my way, just close this asylum and lean back, take a rest. ;)

David Hayward 07-20-2011 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 312361)
A mod is a firm but fair character, but above all he/she needs to earn the respect of ALL the members,

That's not true at all. The mod only needs to earn the respect of ONE person. The owner of the forum.

Sternjaeger II 07-20-2011 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Hayward (Post 312364)
That's not true at all. The mod only needs to earn the respect of ONE person. The owner of the forum.

yeah in your world maybe. Imagine what would happen if nobody had respect for the Police out there.. wait a minute... ;)

seriously, you can't expect to please everyone, but being a mod is tuff stuff, and when people start the form of protest like reporting the mod's posts etc. it's only the beginning of the end, it's obvious that there are previous unresolved feuds..

David Hayward 07-20-2011 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 312366)
yeah in your world maybe.

No, not just my world. Your opinion of the mod means absolutely nothing. The same goes for me. The only opinion that matters is his/her boss.

Ze-Jamz 07-20-2011 09:24 PM

Nearmiss...just lock this thread. I think everyone's got the idea?

This is just going back n fourth...Get out that padlock and key

nearmiss 07-20-2011 09:25 PM

Reported posts after this will be dealt with.

Thanks for cooperating,


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