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pupo162 07-09-2011 02:30 PM

How do i set up my 5770 to work properly
 
Just ran a test on COD, full settings, windowed mode, and keep on watching my 5770 usage log. to my surprise it was only using 33% of it, sometimes toping 60%, and to my amaze i was getting the stuters at 10% memory. i always tought i got stutters when i ran out of mem.

I saw a video on youtube ( wich i could find, it was from a PC pilot guy flying a month), explaining how to fix this, but lost it.... ideas??

ATAG_Dutch 07-09-2011 02:41 PM

Sorry mate, I don't have any answers, but thanks for posting this because I'm interested myself.

I've also noticed that using ati overdrive to clock the card at 950/1425 makes no difference either.
This is with or without ubi logo, with aero on or aero off.
Also changing settings in CCC make only a slight difference to frame rates.

Maybe Luthiers last update with a reference to installing an Nvidia card was a subtle plug to get us all to change.

Cheers! :)

LoBiSoMeM 07-09-2011 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 307163)
Just ran a test on COD, full settings, windowed mode, and keep on watching my 5770 usage log. to my surprise it was only using 33% of it, sometimes toping 60%, and to my amaze i was getting the stuters at 10% memory. i always tought i got stutters when i ran out of mem.

I saw a video on youtube ( wich i could find, it was from a PC pilot guy flying a month), explaining how to fix this, but lost it.... ideas??

Step down texture setting to "HIGH" or "MEDIUM". No more stutters. Don't get stuck to some numbers, because ALL software we use today don't fully load our hardware, unfortunatelly... :(

Thee_oddball 07-09-2011 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 307163)
Just ran a test on COD, full settings, windowed mode, and keep on watching my 5770 usage log. to my surprise it was only using 33% of it, sometimes toping 60%, and to my amaze i was getting the stuters at 10% memory. i always tought i got stutters when i ran out of mem.

I saw a video on youtube ( wich i could find, it was from a PC pilot guy flying a month), explaining how to fix this, but lost it.... ideas??

delete the ubi soft logo (.wmv file) and redo test

S!

pupo162 07-09-2011 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Thee_oddball (Post 307169)
delete the ubi soft logo (.wmv file) and redo test

S!

ubi logo off.


settings on medium low is what i use to "play" (read try).

thanks for the help, keep it coming

pupo162 07-09-2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM (Post 307168)
Step down texture setting to "HIGH" or "MEDIUM". No more stutters. Don't get stuck to some numbers, because ALL software we use today don't fully load our hardware, unfortunatelly... :(

thsi was a test. i tested full graphics to see wath gets streesed out.

game uses 1 gb ram out of the 3 available, fully uses 1 cpu, leaving 3 looking at the air, and VGA at 33%

LoBiSoMeM 07-09-2011 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 307171)
and VGA at 33%

Were you read this number? In MSI Afterburner here I see that i'm using all my VRAM and my VGA is fully loaded... Maybe just another "benchmark test" that don't work well... All stutters here are related with texture streaming. All of them. I tested a lot! All sliders up, even SSAO, don't lead to any stutter, just regular drop in FPS. The ONLY setting that lead to this behaviour is texture quality. And in all tests I made, my VRAM is fully used by game engine.

MAYBE can be something VGA specific or just an error in test software, I don't know. What I can probably assure now is that texture streaming is the "bad guy" related to stutters.

pupo162 07-09-2011 03:35 PM

i have no ideia waht MSI Afterbunner is.

im using task manager and CCC control panel.

Orpheus 07-09-2011 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 307171)
thsi was a test. i tested full graphics to see wath gets streesed out.

game uses 1 gb ram out of the 3 available, fully uses 1 cpu, leaving 3 looking at the air, and VGA at 33%

Think you're right there, I only see the primary CPU max out while the other 3 never peak higher than around 30%. GPU is always 100% though for my 5770. The ATI/Ubi logo clock speed has been fixed for quite a while I think, I don't see it anymore and haven't for some time.

Lobi is right that it is the texture streaming that causes stutters - but I think it's a case of poor CPU utilisation. During those stutters (and at game load), hard faults go through the roof as textures are loaded into the memory from the HD - some of the texture files are enormous and not very well optimised. If load were distributed more evenly between cores (instead of 100/30/30/30) we might see a decrease in stutters.

For the love of god don't run it on Medium textures unless you have no other choice, it looks terrible ;)

pupo162 07-09-2011 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Orpheus (Post 307199)
Think you're right there, I only see the primary CPU max out while the other 3 never peak higher than around 30%. GPU is always 100% though for my 5770. The ATI/Ubi logo clock speed has been fixed for quite a while I think, I don't see it anymore and haven't for some time.

Lobi is right that it is the texture streaming that causes stutters - but I think it's a case of poor CPU utilisation. During those stutters (and at game load), hard faults go through the roof as textures are loaded into the memory from the HD - some of the texture files are enormous and not very well optimised. If load were distributed more evenly between cores (instead of 100/30/30/30) we might see an improvement in stuttering.

For the love of god don't run it on Medium textures unless you have no other choice, it looks terrible ;)


and how do you kick it performance wise?? im unable to goover a stable 20 fps, and i have stutters all the time. My issues are indeed with the textures: each notch lower gives me around 5 fps, and shadows.... the problem is no shadows maeks the game look too ugly :(

LoBiSoMeM 07-09-2011 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 307201)
and how do you kick it performance wise??

Low texture settings to "HIGH". If your FPS remains poor, sorry to say that again, but think about some upgrade regards VGA.

I have very decent performance here, texture streaming problems out. Maybe this texture size/streaming issue can be solved soon, but I really don't see more room for other optimizations regards average FPS in this engine without reducing graphics quality a bit. Maybe more shadows options can help people without enough "horsepower" in VGA.

pupo162 07-09-2011 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM (Post 307204)
Low texture settings to "HIGH". If your FPS remains poor, sorry to say that again, but think about some upgrade regards VGA.

I have very decent performance here, texture streaming problems out. Maybe this texture size/streaming issue can be solved soon, but I really don't see more room for other optimizations regards average FPS in this engine without reducing graphics quality a bit. Maybe more shadows options can help people without enough "horsepower" in VGA.

didnt ask you anything...

ATAG_Dutch 07-09-2011 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 307201)
and how do you kick it performance wise?? im unable to goover a stable 20 fps, and i have stutters all the time. My issues are indeed with the textures: each notch lower gives me around 5 fps, and shadows.... the problem is no shadows maeks the game look too ugly :(

I know you didn't ask me either, but here's a fraps result for black death track.

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
5241, 216878, 7, 53, 24.166

Medium Settings plus grass, roads, shadows.

No AA, ssao off, epi off, vsync off.

Not ideal, but I can fly missions over London on these settings, just.

Adding any AA, ssao or v-synch hauls the average down by 5 per item (ish - I've not benchmarked with all three on).

Changing the in-game settings to high does the same.

How does this compare with yours?

pupo162 07-09-2011 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch_851 (Post 307221)
I know you didn't ask me either, but here's a fraps result for black death track.

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
5241, 216878, 7, 53, 24.166

Medium Settings plus grass, roads, shadows.

No AA, ssao off, epi off, vsync off.

Not ideal, but I can fly missions over London on these settings, just.

Adding any AA, ssao or v-synch hauls the average down by 5 per item (ish).

Changing the in-game settings to high does the same.

How does this compare with yours?

i have no problem with you sharing results mate. the other dude just pisses me off on how he goes on every thread "buy VGA". I cant give you exact results, but i think from memory i get somehting like that, but without shadows.

Still you have a better pc than mine by a considerable stretch.

i Have particualr interest in Orpheus, becouse his VGA goes full power, and it his the same as mine.

Thanks!

edit: you do have a 5770! can yo upelase check its usage .. plz :)

ATAG_Dutch 07-09-2011 05:46 PM

Yeah, Lobi's like that.:rolleyes:

What baffles me is the overclocking of the card making no difference either, neither to frame rate nor render speed from what I can see, so maybe mine's stuck at a low level like yours, although I'm not sure where to look for this.
If you let me know I'll try the same method as you for comparison.

Calling Orpheus!

Edit, just seen your edit - of course! that's why I left my first post!!

pupo162 07-09-2011 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch_851 (Post 307224)
Yeah, Lobi's like that.:rolleyes:

What baffles me is the overclocking of the card making no difference either, neither to frame rate nor render speed from what I can see, so maybe mine's stuck at a low level like yours, although I'm not sure where to look for this.
If you let me know I'll try the same method as you for comparison.

Calling Orpheus!

Edit, just seen your edit - of course! that's why I left my first post!!

run CCC.exe

go to the overclocking TAB, there is a very rough gage of the graphics unit usage.

ATAG_Dutch 07-09-2011 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 307226)
run CCC.exe

go to the overclocking TAB, there is a very rough gage of the graphics unit usage.

Oh,that! Ok, I'll have a look and get back to you.:)

Edit: Ok, I've tried it, and the card usage dial goes up to 98% and hovers around that point, with the settings as in my previous post.

Have you overclocked it or is it on defaults?

pupo162 07-09-2011 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch_851 (Post 307227)
Oh,that! Ok, I'll have a look and get back to you.:)

Edit: Ok, I've tried it, and the card usage dial goes up to 98% and hovers around that point, with the settings as in my previous post.

Have you overclocked it or is it on defaults?

its on defaults...

ATAG_Dutch 07-09-2011 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 307232)
its on defaults...

Mine is 'unlocked' but on default clock settings, because as I said, overclocking makes no difference.

If you haven't 'unlocked' it yet, maybe that could be why?

Orpheus 07-09-2011 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 307201)
and how do you kick it performance wise?? im unable to goover a stable 20 fps, and i have stutters all the time. My issues are indeed with the textures: each notch lower gives me around 5 fps, and shadows.... the problem is no shadows maeks the game look too ugly :(

In all honesty I think it might be your CPU causing the stuttering, not the GPU. Nearly all the 'no stutter' reports I've seen are from CPU's running at at least 4 gig (overclocked or not). Other than CPU, we're not dissimilar - 5770s, 3gig of RAM to my 4gig. Are you running crossfire, or just a single GPU - with crossfire I see terrible stutter no matter what I do.

More powerful GPU will certainly help - the newish GTX5xx series are very good for CloD from what I've read on the forums, but I'd think about a CPU upgrade too. I'm no expert though, at the end it's all trial and error really. Lower textures and no shadows will certainly help - but it's up to you how much graphical quality you want to sacrifice.

Also, try pseudo windowed mode, that might help. Vysnc & SSAO off, no grass/roads/etc and buildings/building detail low.

pupo162 07-09-2011 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Orpheus (Post 307235)
In all honesty I think it might be your CPU causing the stuttering, not the GPU. Nearly all the 'no stutter' reports I've seen are from CPU's running at at least 4 gig (overclocked or not). Other than CPU, we're not dissimilar - 5770s, 3gig of RAM to my 4gig. Are you running crossfire, or just a single GPU - with crossfire I see terrible stutter no matter what I do.

More powerful GPU will certainly help - the newish GTX5xx series are very good for CloD from what I've read on the forums, but I'd think about a CPU upgrade too. I'm no expert though, at the end it's all trial and error really. Lower textures and no shadows will certainly help - but it's up to you how much graphical quality you want to sacrifice.

Also, try pseudo windowed mode, that might help. Vysnc & SSAO off, no grass/roads/etc and buildings/building detail low.

i cant sacrifice anything that will spare me out of the stutters.... if i throw away shadows buildings and textures i get regular FPS, but stuttering is still there...


thanks for the feedback.

ATAG_Dutch 07-09-2011 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Orpheus (Post 307235)
In all honesty I think it might be your CPU causing the stuttering, not the GPU.

This is why I won't upgrade my card yet. As the game still relies on one core so heavily, with turbo boost on the main core mine maxes at 3.5 or whatever. The blokes with 4+mhz processors are doing ok, but once the load is spread over other cores more evenly, us mid-range users might find a big improvement without shelling out lots of cash on hardware. So I'm going to wait awhile and see what happens.

Of course my knowledge of computers and how they work is hopeless, so I might be talking rubbish.:rolleyes::grin:

Thee_oddball 07-09-2011 08:09 PM

suttering is from the unoptimized code, faster CPU/GPU help but i will not go out and spend $500 or more just to overcame unoptimized code, let them fix the game first then maybe look into upgrades if you need them.

S!

mcmatt 09-08-2011 05:56 AM

Have same problem (overdrive) with COD & Ati 5770. Overdrive won't start automaticly. It stays with default clocks, and they are too low. I can set higher clocks with Ati Tray Tools to 950/1250 and it runs much better. CPU load is lower than 40 %.

mcmatt 09-08-2011 06:23 AM

OK, I find thread with solution. Problem with Ubi introvideo
To fix this, simply rename or delete the Ubisoft logo movie file located in your Steam directory: \Steam\steamapps\common\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover\parts\core\GUI (http://www.oceanicwing.com/Forum/Mai...sg4231#msg4231)

Will try it when I get home.

tintifaxl 09-08-2011 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 307236)
i cant sacrifice anything that will spare me out of the stutters.... if i throw away shadows buildings and textures i get regular FPS, but stuttering is still there...


thanks for the feedback.

Which quadcore are you using? There are so many out there ...

Is your graphics card installed in a PCI-E 1x slot maybe? The tool GPU-Z could tell you that.

I ran tests with my GTX 570 in the PCI-E 1x slot (better airflow and cable management in that slot) and the only game that suffered dramatically from it was CloD. Other games like Arma2 or DCS-A10C where not affected much, lost maybe 5 fps in there, but CloD became unplayable in medium settings.

pupo162 09-08-2011 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tintifaxl (Post 333058)
Which quadcore are you using? There are so many out there ...

Is your graphics card installed in a PCI-E 1x slot maybe? The tool GPU-Z could tell you that.

I ran tests with my GTX 570 in the PCI-E 1x slot (better airflow and cable management in that slot) and the only game that suffered dramatically from it was CloD. Other games like Arma2 or DCS-A10C where not affected much, lost maybe 5 fps in there, but CloD became unplayable in medium settings.

intel core 2 quad q8300

i cnat see the pci-e slot on cpuz but im preatty syre my Mobo only has pciE2

tintifaxl 09-08-2011 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 333082)
intel core 2 quad q8300

i cnat see the pci-e slot on cpuz but im preatty syre my Mobo only has pciE2

The tool for info about the GPU is called Gpu-Z.

pupo162 09-08-2011 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by tintifaxl (Post 333089)
The tool for info about the GPU is called Gpu-Z.

ah... ups. :oops:


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