Post all your useless waffle here here:
 

Nothing else to do today? Just waste your time in this thread for a while.

Sadly, except for FM hacks, most are impossible for anyone to post as ONLY the user sees them......Examples:

Mirrors in planes that did not have them in the sim....
Lead compensating sights in planes that did not have them in the sim....
Altered reticles be it shape, or intensity (brightness)....
Altered smoke and vapors seen to make them show better and last longer.....
Altered visual enhancements (aircraft or objects showing better then the sim provides)....
Default skins altered to allow easier recognition....
Field of view in cockpit improved in planes as supplied in the sim, either by transparent pieces, removed or altered pieces, or degree of view movement within.....
Sounds granting better audible cues then supplied in the sim....

and the list goes on......

None of these things which make that individuals play significantly easier then the stock product players can be seen or heard by the other players only the one using them. Therefor they are impossible to prove via a track. However, if someone has any of these hacks installed, then clearly they are cheating as they have gained an advantage over other players by altering the stock product.....

How do you know has them, well you don't, you can guess and we can make some very accurate assumptions yet that would be unfair to do.....The only fair course of action is to state "anyone using a hacked product has the clear and easy potential for cheating with the ability to remain undetected"....

FM/DM/Weapons cheats poorly executed will be easy to spot (a 750km/h I-16).....However, well executed FM/DM/Weapons cheats will be impossible to spot be they slight extra speed, requiring more hits for severe damage, or weapons delivering slightly greater damage, whatever.

So except for rediculously blatant and intended to be seen cheats, most will be impossible for any to document except the user themselves........Hence the ease with which the following smug phrase is made "Prove it"......and everyone knows cheaters are not honest as they'd not be cheating if they wern't.

K2

As I said LEB,we have another post for comments.This is just for the proof that people say they have.Lets keep it all in one place so Oleg can see it if he needs to.

I understand your intent, yet what I'm telling you is that 99% of the cheating is impossible to detect.....and that an important point to this as this thread blank would be something the cheaters would point to and state...."No Tracky, no cheatty "see?"....tee hee".

Well people said they have proof. So obviously they can prove it.Its a serious matter.All i am asking for is some 'proof of cheating using the hack' tracks.

well you don't need proof for witch-hunt do you?

As I explained Uther and you yourself know as well this simply a troll on your part......and correct Fly-zo, for a witch hunt you don't.....However, I also don't need a detailed biological analysis to know that what I just wiped off my boot after walking through the cow pasture wasn't gold either ;)

We all know....If you want proof and screenshots there is another forum that supplies them with the cheats ;)

Have your thread, it's blank intention already sullied and the truth exposed.

K2

troll? I don't know what you mean.And I am not sure about this 'other' forum you speak of.This is the official 1C forum is it not.As I asked,please keep comments in the other thread.This is for the tracks.If anyone needs links to file hosting sites let me know.
Thanks.

... is that time of the month? ... in those age? .... i'm impressed

sorry Uther ....

The other one you two are posting on as we speak LOL....whoops, you forgot about that huh? LMAO....trolls...So easy to spot :D

i was told that chocolate helps ...

still have no guts to participate over there ? .... uh but of course guts come with balls ...

Well LEB I am concerned that links to cheats will get lost amongst all the dross in that thread. Surely it is better to have a dedicated area?
Do you have any tracks to contribute?

Many of the anomalies Are very difficult to see in tracks.
The best I can tell you is that if you have played the sim for long enough you will defiantly notice things that are just not right..
Best recommendation is to boycott any servers allowing mods.
This will remove any doubt about a pure clean server experience.
More of my findings here..
http://8raven8.proboards44.com/index...ead=1197822602

No tracks.....Hard to see in the tracks huh? :)

NO you can see but there are SOME things that are simply hard to see in some tracks.
That simple.

I said what I said If it wernt an issue I would not have posted
Thanks love ya..
RaVe

Such a simple idea flamed already..........................

Another one bites the dust....................

Could we all grow up and act like adults instead of slagging everyone who does not agree with our own ideals.................just once?

Ahhh.. No, No one is flaming anyone here buddy. Get you story straight before you type will you? Isn't this a "post track" thread? Is not this what I asked? Apparently you didn't understand me...


I would Truly LOVE to see an actual cheating track. :) I have seen other tracks of various arguments. If cheating is so rampent then one would think someone could come up with a track by now?

stop trying to confuse the issue by spinning the argument it will you?

Here... "POST YOUR CHEATING TRACK HERE"

The reason I laughed is I have never seen one yet and doubt I ever will see one.. :)

I guess we will have just to take this argument on faith huh? Just like Santa Claus is real Huh? :)

Explain how I am trying to 'confuse the arguement' please, and your 'Get you story straight before you type will you?' line shouts for a slapping down.

If YOU read my little post YOU would (possibly) read into my exaspiration over this whole hack/mod bulls*it that should have been put to sleep ages ago.

Uther asks for tracks and the both the 'pro' and 'anti' brigade start all over again in this thread, has this not been beaten enough already.

Enough is enough is what I am saying, leave it, put it to bed, take it round the back and shoot it.whatever, just stop going on about this friggin thing, move on every-one, for the sake of this GAME, after all, thats all it is.

BTW, Santa is real

I was on-line last night in a spit, going along at 380 knots, everything cool....just then a Storch pass'es me on my port side, proceed's to empty a full load of parabomb's right in my flight path....well needless to say I will post a trac soon as proof...just wait here

I have to say that Fly-Zo has really sunk to the lowest depths in his comments to LeB. If he made those comments in my country in the workplace he would be fired on the spot, and the person he made them too would easily sue him for discrimination.

Fly-Zo you really have no argument so you try to attack other members, you sir, are far from being honourable, or a gentleman, I suppose that is what one can expect from someone so pro-hack. :(

I have had enough of some of the twats in this troll thread, my last word.

I hear you Kris You intentions are great.
I know you truly care about the sim.

But the point is the "sake of this GAME"
As an adult I want an adult leval of GAME play not kiddy land.

Forgetting about the problems that this mod has created, or sweeping the issue under the rug is no way to deal with the problem its use has created in the online community.

Pretending that the sim is still good is no way to look out for the the game.

Its to late now... its run amuck. The sim is porked in regard to online.
Unless you fly in honest servers or a small group of guys you trust and even there are so many different mods now that the file conflicts are problematic. I’m not talking about cheating, no the real problem is that file conflicts between users and different mods its just screwing up the program.
It makes the experience really bad not like it is supposed to be or how it was meant to be its quality is effected in a negative way . It has grown out of hand and looking the other way helps no one.
That’s a fact.
I believe in Santa too. ;)

+1
That is the only logical path for now. The fat lady is singing loudly, its time to move on.

I believe I will sooner get a track of the real Santa with Rudolph too then a cheating track... :)

Here you go Stalker, you asked for it...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0hDwQHYjLE

I have to agree with this as all those things mentioned give an unfair advantage when used on servers that want only the stock IL2 in use. No one can show proof of these other than the user. You guys can't possibly disagree that those things don't give an unfair advantage when used online in that fashion can you?

Hopefully Evgeny will delete all the other posts in this thread and leave it as I intended it to be:
For all the people who say they have proof of cheating online using the soundmod to post their proof here using tracks.

Uther, do you see the irony of your words "leave it as I intended it to be"....Oleg said the same thing, lol

Absolutely.I always choose my words very carefully.Maybe as its a Sunday people are away from the forum.Its only been 5 hours and nobody has posted a track yet.Apparently there are hundreds of instances of soundmod cheating online,and I really want to see some of those tracks.

This is seconded.

Slipball, you said you were going to post evidence of an storch dropping parafrags infront of your plane, please post that track to get this going.

I'm hurrying, I'm new to this Photoshop software

Hay, I can try to make something totally up. Will that help? :)

That would be great......I'll just wait here to see it, thanks Stalker!

No we need to see the real tracks or we will never be able to prove to these hackers that they have ruined the game online for everyone.I honestly did'nt think it would be so hard.From what I read in the other thread I thought there would be several tracks here now for Oleg to examine.

No problem.. Got any special requests? Supersonic Il-10? Stealth Me-110?

Of course... a} No one would believe that it was real if I managed it and

b{ I havn't a clue how to do it.... :)

No, do the Storch and parabombs....I don't want people to think I make up stories, thanks again

using the hack isn't an accusation of cheating.
You guys are missing the point .
The file conflicts of all those separate mod types are making the game act in very odd ways.
one guys has a certain mod version that another guys doesn't and weird things happen .
like your suddenly all filled with holes but never hear a round.


The use of them has totally changed the on line Sim experience.
As i stated I was all for them until I started to see odd things happening .
things that don't show up in a track its only from knowing how the game should handle can one notice what has happened.
I cant expect new players to have the experience to notice the difference.

Good luck and congratulations .

He crossed WAY over the line IMO with that remark. A warning or temp ban sounds in order.

Per your request these tracks where made today in 408m

They show several things that can be done using the "sound" mod/hack and simple cut and paste, including but not limited to the list below.

Any plane can be used in any server regardless of checkruntime= setting.
Any plane or several hacks can be used in any server regardless of server plane choices.
I can NOT type or spell :-)
Players get so upset that they can not answer a simple yes or no question.
The current server checks are not a guarantee of “safe and fair” play.

The tracks all show a mod/hacked "Lerche" in servers such as War Clouds, Skies of Fire, Wings Over Europe, Spits V 109, Skies of Valor, Zekes v Wildcats... other tracks where made but the responses in the chat were way tooooo offensive to post here.

Today..I used a simple Lerche in order to make it obvious to all.
I could have easily used a mod spit or 109 with any FM or DM. I could have kept a low profile and destroyed plane after plane. However, I will not cheat in a game or be unfair to the others in anyway. This was done as a simple online demo and brought a server admin with me as a witness. I tried to achieve this demo without disturbing the players for very long. They could all see that I had a Lerche on the scoreboard and I sensed the blood pressure rising. I stayed just long enough to get an answer/feel of how the players felt as well as long enough to prove I was really online in those servers based on the chat.

Ironically the only server that tried to boot me was the AAA server... Now that I find very funny but should issue a warning. Mods are not welcome on the AAA even though it says mods on the door.

Most people who would actually use something like this to cheat are not going to make it so obvious. Changes to cockpits, enemy aircraft colors, boosting enemy sounds louder so you can here them behind you easier(a sound mod), boosting the FM or DM to have an edge.... the list is long....and these cannot be proven by a track easily. As mentioned earlier, if you don't have some of those mods, when you play the track back you can not see it.

This simple Lerche was made using the "sound mod" and was specifically done in a way so that those who view the tracks can see the Lerche... even if they don't have a hacked game. Again... I could have used something that you couldn't see ..but that would defeat the purpose of this post.

For all those who keep implying that a server running checkruntime=2 is "safe and fair" ..please stop making a fool out of yourself. However, a server running checkruntime=1 or =2 is a good step to block many of the less talented basement dwellers.

I realize that no matter what track is posted here it will be over analyzed and picked on...have fun. I wont bother with others, because anything posted will be argued about. Why didn't I show this or that, why didn't I destroy a bunch of poor innocent flyers, why thats not proof enough...we need DNA from the victims.... blah blah blah.... have fun.
(*No flyers or animals where harmed making this.)

For Christmas you wanted a track where someone used the sound mod to cheat. Here is a little gift for you that took 5 minutes to do using the “sound mod”. If you don't know how its done, well to bad and the zip does not include directions. This was not done using some sort of video trick, its a track from IL2 4.08m today. Cross-reference the stat pages with the players in chat for each server to verify if you need to.

For those that dont think the "Sound HACK' doesn't harm online play and help contribute warping and other online issues..think about this question... Do you honestly believe that 1C used simple efficient synthesized sounds in this game because they were the best sounds he could find??? Maybe the goal was to make the best quality online WWII sim possible that would play smoothly for a majority of players. Those that have the "Sound HACK" installed, please stop complaining about the warping in your favorite servers.

Some of you can hope a better protection or server side protection comes in the future. For now... fly with your friends and just know that closed cockpit it no longer closed cockpit for all regardless of server settings.... sorry to disappoint you.

For those that really wanted these tracks....That other thing you wanted for Christmas - forget about it.

Ho Ho Ho.


*EDIT.. LOL. I see its easier to fly a mod in any server than it is to attach a 4mb zip here with ntrks in it. Now available on rapid share instead of email (http://rapidshare.com/files/77216729..._408m.zip.html)

BF:
"I also don't need a detailed biological analysis to know that what I just wiped off my boot after walking through the cow pasture wasn't gold either "

yup ... words of a true lady ...

and in my country we treat women as equal to man ( feminist heaven) ... and if one acts like
"what I just wiped off my boot after walking through the cow pasture" she/he gets it equally back.

she cosed Fabianfred to be banned over "nothing" down at the zoo ... not a lady like act

... you really need a lady so you can act as gentleman ...otherwise you're throwing pearls to the ... you'll learn

Fly-zo, you must bring the public apology to Billfish for the words you said. "i was told that chocolate helps ...

still have no guts to participate over there ? .... uh but of course guts come with balls ..." - This is just unacceptable in the human society. If you respect yourself you just must to apologise.

Dear Santa,

Thank you for sending the ntrks showing that the "Sound Hack" is being used for more that just sounds.

At first I was annoyed that you emailed them to those wanting it. My fear being that this forum would somehow be turned into a how-to forum on cheating online.

After reading this, the other related threads and seeing the “Sound Hack Lerche” ntrks, I now understand what you where showing. I like how you announced your presence to the players on the server via chat and requested their feedback. It took me a moment to cycle the views to actually see the hacked Lerche, but I did find it and see it flying around. I also appreciate that the zip only contained the tracks and nothing more.

I think you clearly showed that the popular online servers are not “protected”, regardless of the current checkruntime settings. Whether or not cheating is widespread, it obviously can be done and this alone leads to more accusations in the online servers.

Servers need to tighten their settings and clean up their mission files to reduce the warping and internet related problems. The smoother the server runs, the less accusations there will be. Dogfight servers should run a minimum of checkruntime=1.

Players should not accept a server with planes warping all over. If you’re on coms with your wingman and everyone is seeing warping, tell the server admin to fix it or move to another server that is smooth (they do exist). If you’re the only flyer that other players see warping, fix your computer and/or internet connection.

Santa: One final thing for the list: 4.09 with improved server side security check.

Cookies and milk will be near the tree.
S`

sure, no problem ....as soon as she takes this back:
"what I just wiped off my boot after walking through the cow pasture"

but if you must ban me over that ... i will not hold it against you , i'll respect your judgment

Fly_zo, please, behave like a man. She didn't meant anything offensive to you personally saying that. You just must to apologise and that's all. I appreciate you as a member of our community, you've posted a lot of interesting thoughts and I hope you'll behave as a reasonable person.

ok, here it is :

my deepest apologizes to BF , i was saying that in affect ...wont happen again !


@evgeny : thanks for patience and considerations

Evgeny can I get an apology from Baron for his threats to me in this thread please? He threatened to 'nuke my computer' and called me a bonehead and I stayed awake all night worrying about it.
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...t=2300&page=64

Thanks.

Check the corresponding thread.

does this place start to remind you guys of another place?

No, we have better mods here who allow debate and just stay in the background keeping an eye on things.

So 20 hours,900 views,fifty replies,and no cheating tracks posted ?

exactly, that is the main issue ! the problem with hacks is that it is mostly aimed at cheating online and gaining an advantage by removing cockpits, adding mirrors, increasing speed and weapons etc etc..

i am not surprised the pro-hack kids cant even understand that. with the irrational talk in the other thread that is dangled as "making an argument", they are now asking to prove a negative, saying because no reformed hacker in 2 days post a "no cockpit view" used on a full real server, it isnt being used ? duh !! i think my 6 yo can see the flaw in that.

there have been plenty of reports in the last few months of very odd online behavior and this has been observed by reliable and long term il2 users, some will even have tracks, but will will any of them right now be here reading this thread ?

do a search on google for yourself and see some of the recent il2 youtube video's posted of hack kiddies playing with the files.

i have a better suggestion, why dont you hack kiddies prove there is no cheating online, and that by simply using the improved sound files there has been no change whatsoever in any of the planes flight models ?

UTHER
You must be new to this sim.
If you wern't new to it you would know better than asking for tracks to see a cheat.
didnt you read any of my post's?
You are part of the problem thank you for contributing to the demise of this sim.

zapatista
Member " see some of the recent il2 youtube video's posted of hack kiddies playing with the files."

I have seen those very very few videos and sorry but they don't prove your point...

Just because you claim things " feel strange with the game" proves absolutely nothing. Just because you claim in other posts cheats are hard to post evidence of proves nothing either. You are using your own lack of evidence to prove that cheating is common and deriding people who call you on it because you made a post saying lack of evidence means nothing and is your proof it exists?

Here is your evidence.. "The game feels strange" and "other members have noticed it" ?

RaVe.."If you wern't new to it you would know better than asking for tracks to see a cheat.
didnt you read any of my post's?

and please stop insulting members because they want proof and you have none to give at all and then you say a previous post of yours pointing that out is your proof." What nonesense...

Rave,
Uther has been flying this sim for ages, I used to regularly go against him in Air Wars.

Could we not agree that there are them with and them without.

**Confesional bit**

I have this 'thing that should not be mentioned' and also a 'Vanilla' copy.

The altered version is for single player and squad DCG's (we all have the same bits, namely the sound and cockpit ones.
The original is for online play (this is the one Hyper Lobby is directed to.

As long as I do not go 'live' against others who don't have it I (honestly) could not give a toss, I have paid my money, from the original IL2 release up to 1946, with all the official bits between.

I still love this game, and will continue to fly it even if SOW is ever released (the range and scope is to big to leave it alone), however, I will not be shouted down or harranged into doing something because someone else does not like it.
I think its called 'freedom of expression', and in my job I see plenty of people who attempt to deny that right to others.

Hay RaVe, I found this bit of counter evidence for you from another forum by "Quazi" a mod over at Ubi..


"And just FYI? I have asked every online m8 I know that I fly with from time to time (and there are shit pot full) as often as I see them, if they are seeing any weirdness online and so far they haven't. The only thing a very good m8 of mine has noticed is that the K\D ratio between the Hellcat & Zero on Zekes vs. Wildcats has been 1:1 for many, many moons. Now it is at 2:1 in favor of the Hellcat. Of course this isn't really saying anything as far as confirming someone is cheating online with tweaked FM's\DM's. It is just something he has noticed.

Well to those arguing with the hack supporters seriously do NOT waste your time in these threads as you'd realize these are only deliberate trolls even stated as such on their forum.........

That said, any who have been here long enough realize that cheating has gone on since day one in many forms.....Be it non-sim hacking (altering ones own PC's clocking and so on) hence all the settings we have below:

[NET]
..........
..........
checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=1
checkTimeSpeedDifferense=0.02
checkTimeSpeedInterval=2
checkRuntime=2

[MaxLag]
farMaxLagTime=0.5
nearMaxLagTime=0.5
cheaterWarningDelay=3.0
cheaterWarningNum=3

Yet, they only work so well, sadly nothing fool proof and more so as cheaters (people who deliberately try and "game the game" for an edge vs. skill) become wiser being called on it, it becomes less black and white to more shades of gray.

That said, the new mods/hacks I'm sure for the most part were intended to simply add onto and improve the simulation............Unfortunately, just as with the initial hacking of the sim, they have been made and distributed irresponsibly. That's really a pity, as most of these even the ones I mentioned could of been developed, and submitted in such a way the community as a whole would of accepted them......Think not?.....Here's an example.

Taking the Mirror & Gyro types of gunsight mods, as released they become a cheat for those using them against others expecting a stock product....Cut and dry how it is. Worse still, they are laid out so Joe hardcore cheater can alter them further.

However....

If the group had taken the time to:
1. Get their facts straight.
2. Get the graphics accurate and up to the newer standards of the sim.
3. Not added them to existing planes yet added them as a new plane varient (Spitfire IX = orig. vs. Spitfire IX Gyro = new plane add).
4. Tested them fully as alpha and beta then made corrections and adjustments.
5. Compiled it into a safe difficult to alter pack.
6. Released it as a new sim version (call it 5.01 say)....

Then, there would not be ANY reason for non-hackers to gripe as server operators could control which versions of the Spit IX were allowed, everyone up to 5.01 would be par as to play, the files could not be easily hacked further and so on.

Yet that would take some common sense.........The rush to simply have what they want now, as they want it and the ability to tweak it to gain an edge even further plus using them in 4.08 play quite simply making them cheats....

Anyone who can't see and understand that either lacking in the ability to think logically, or the morality to not cheat......Sorry to say yet it's that simple, the hackers have made the situation they're facing and we all must deal with.....It's up to them to start correcting it or expect the situation to get worse, for as it stands....most cheating online currently their doing as the old forms we could do nothing about and were rare as they stood....This new form impossible to detect, yet still as much an advantage or cheat as say the speed hack.

Such a pity.........as it could of been so much more.

K2

Thanks for all the cheating info. I am learning more about how to cheat from the non-cheaters than anywhere else! :)

The modders apparently aren't interested. can't get anything from them... :(

Then he has all the experience to KNOW that there are cheats popping up every day.He has flown with/against the very lowest parts of IL2 online players. He then MUST KNOW that people use EVERY possible method to win a map. If he didn`t conclude things from his experience then what can I say?



Doesn`t change a thing.

That someone is Oleg Maddox. IL2 Sturmovik is his property.You only bought a license to him to use the game in a strict manner.

Freedom of expression is a little different at forums which have a game you mod illegaly for the main topic.It would be nice if all of you mod supporters just stopped promoting hacks.That would be fine.

Yep been around il2 for 7 seven years now.Even spoken to Oleg and Luthier personally about things that cannot be talked about in a public forum.
I don't really see the problem here.People have said they have proof of cheating online with the soundmod,all I am asking is for you then to post that proof here for everyone to see.You will then becomne a hero to your cause,and be forever loved and immortalised.
you say you have proof.
Show us that proof.
Or do you really have no proof,were lying all along,just stirring up trouble,and are preparing your apology as I type this.

Surely you mean a game you mod [i]potentially/i] illegally in non-US and non-Western European jurisdictions even though that has never been tested in the courts and there is no relevent case law precedent to refer to...

Who says I am promoting, just expressing my opinion, not illegal is it??
Get of your high horse please

eh the cheating hack users arnt even smart enough to use google to find some evidence of cheating ? why doesnt that surprise me !

here, just from a 30 sec search:

1) the classic example of the pilot hopping out of the plane, running around, and getting back into the plane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffIuFecRHSk

2) il2 modding 101, note that at the start of the clip he goes into multiplayer, and in some of the later clips there are text msg's from other online users like "WTF ?" you can also see the icons of the other users, and he is getting shot at
it includes a vertical takeoff for a do-335 from a carrier, controlling AI planes that arnt flyable, endless vertical powerclimb in a zero etc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA2BiRAPqY8

3) flyable Fi156 Storch with p39 cockpit, using sound mod
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg4JEf8nQg8

4) new 6DOF mod version for track IR with sound mod
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxYyq...eature=related
err anybody claiming adding 6DoF isnt cheating compared to what other users have available in visibility ?

5) 6dof-Ta183 with partially transparant rear cockpit, significantly increasing view from cockpit compared to other users.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6ieD...eature=related

etc.. lots of them available

my point is still the same, why dont you hack kiddies try and prove there is no online cheating going on, and that using a simple sound mod still completely locks and protects the rest of the file specs, like aircraft behaviour, cockpit visibility, and enemy lod model visibility etc ?

You do know not one of these is apparently on-line play?

Proof there isn't cheating? Why not you try proving there is ?

here is some proof I just posted recently..

I found this bit of counter evidence for you from another forum by "Quazi" a mod over at Ubi..


"And just FYI? I have asked every online m8 I know that I fly with from time to time (and there are shit pot full) as often as I see them, if they are seeing any weirdness online and so far they haven't. The only thing a very good m8 of mine has noticed is that the K\D ratio between the Hellcat & Zero on Zekes vs. Wildcats has been 1:1 for many, many moons. Now it is at 2:1 in favor of the Hellcat. Of course this isn't really saying anything as far as confirming someone is cheating online with tweaked FM's\DM's. It is just something he has noticed.

Posting old youtube videos showing what 'can' be done,does not prove what 'is' being done,online,in the servers you are playing on.This is what I ask for in this thread..Please if its hard for you to understand what I am asking ,tell me what language you speak and I will translate that for you.
Again,where is YOUR track showing the cheating you say you have seen that has totally ruined your online play and made your life not worth living.

As I said yesterday, we are not asking anyone else. We are asking here for proof from the people who claim they have seen cheating online using the sound mod.

Both of these videos came around long before the sound mod and people have been doing this sort of stuff before the sound mod came out.

And the posting of this video is ment to proove online cheating how?

Again, these videos came around before the sound mod did. Plus this 6dof mod can be worked with just track ir software alone I belive. Only when the sound mod came out was a version of the mod made to work with the sound mod, to make it easier to install. But yeah, ill give you that, but what about when poeple started using track ir online? where they cheats because they had an increased view?

All the sound mod does is change a few sounds an make some ai aircraft flyable.

''why dont you hack kiddies try and prove there is no online cheating going on'' We are not the ones making accusations of cheating online & where I come from if you make an accusation you need proof to back it up.

12.12.07

This is what I have been trying to say without shouting out, lets move on please and close ALL threads relating to this topic

(I doubt this will happen due to some peoples inability to move forward, be them 'purists' or other)

can't produce evidence, try another way of killing off discussion...

This is not the ubi forum LEB, and you are not protected here more than anyone else.Trying to get a thread closed because you don't like the way it is going is not very mature.We have all read Evgenys warning.
Open discussion is allowed here.
I am not promoting hacking in this thread,on the contrary, we all want to see your proof of online cheating that everyone claims to have.
24 hours and no tracks yet.Were you all lying?

Funny how you throw out the Hack Kiddie insult to the pro-modders. I thought insults on this forum were not kosher.

And as proof to that, the 'other' forum has precious little 'hack kiddies'. I suspect a lot are old enough to be your poppa, judging by your own posting maturity.

A little Poll i put up on the 'other site'.. no worries, you won't be corrupted by hackitis if you only look at the poll.. there is no download links on the topic unless you choose to stray outside of the poll topic so your moral high-ground should remain high and dry.

http://tinyurl.com/2jbgsy

I think an apology is owing to the pro-modders arguing their case on this forum topic.. i don't think any are a 'hack kiddie', as you are insulting/insinuating.

Read the earlier post.

http://rapidshare.com/files/77216729..._408m.zip.html

Ho Ho Ho

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e287/fly_zo/bundy.jpg

...this is a joke ... no need to run and PM Evgeny ....

I maintained no problems with mods too. Until they started to surface.

Just trying to pass on some info.

if any chose to remain in denial that's is your choice.

I have no more fingers to stick in the dike.

I just want to get a group of like minded folks together to fly in a nice full switch server with good pilots. That are at a competitive skill level.

And fly the sim as it was designed to be flown.
not with hundreds of mis matched sfs files.

I wont expend any more energy on this subject. I tried.

If any would like to fly on a server that at least tries to minimize the use of mod try us in Hyper @ Guts_Glory map/plane sets from WWI---> late war 24/7

again to fly the sim as it was designed to be flown.
not with hundreds of mis matched sfs files.

pleasant dreams RaVe

good for you ....and i respect that

... and me as 100% offliner .... i will continue to make new maps for my campaigns .....

so this is win/win situation

I just watched the tracks I would recommend that everyone takes a good hard look at them .

wile eating crow

from spits V 109
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-...-cheat-two.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-...-mod-cheat.jpg

And? I said post your proof of cheating tracks here.The guy looks like he told everyone he was in there.He wasn't trying to cheat,he was showing you that he could if he wanted to.
Again,where is your (and that means YOUR,from YOUR computer,track that YOU made in an online server of someone using the soundmod to CHEAT YOU.

Next?

I watched them an all I can see is a deliberate troll attempt there.

Omg
the guy is in a server that does not have lerches in it .

there are no lerches in Spits v 109s


isnt that enough that he pops up with a learch?

wow... ever flown in there??

Did you watch all the tracks or just that one? it's not a flame, just a question.

In every track apart from one the lerch user asks something along the lines of ''Hi, is it ok to use this soundmod Lerch in here? Yes or no?''

Then he says something like ''so im not allowed to use this unlikeable Lerch in here?''

That looks like a blatent troll attept to me.

Yes ive been in there, ive been in many servers since installing the soundmod. Where ever he got the use of the lerch in servers like that wasn't from the soundmod.

This is a example, that anything is possible now for certain pilots, not all on-liners, just a few,..... enough to ruin it's competitive value

yup, but that was possible way before sound mod came out ... so who wants to cheat doesn't need sound mod ...

Pretty obvious it was a troll attempt is all. Also pretty obvious he would have been kicked out and banned if he attempted to ever use it too. It appears an anti-modder is using the mods he totally detests so to troll on the modders isn't it? Otherwise why the hell would he even ask for permission?

Didn't he worry about that slap in the face to oleg that they all are always worrying about?


what he should have typed to make it even more obvious is.."I am a trolling ant-mod hacker using un unallowed plane. Is anyone noticing this yet.." :)

Bill, you quote the "mirror" and "gunsight" as unfair advantages. That is totally wrong. Both of these Mods are historical correct. Just because they were not implanted does not mean they are not correct. IMO, someonewho uses Track IR(tm) is unfair, why, because I don't have one (very hard to find here). That is the same logic you are using. I don't have it, so it is not fair.

DerAlte

That is older than me!!! Man, that is just changing a certain .ini to read only after you have flown a Lerche.......... PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTT.

Get with it dood. NO PROOF, just a TROLL, maybe a certain fishing person here?

DerAlte

That figures... :)

But Santa brought it!......for every good boy & girl

Ok then lets review shall we.
30 hours.2000+ views. No proof of cheating using the soundmod tracks have been posted by those who said they had proof of being cheated by people using the soundmod.They were telling an untruth to spread fear amongst the online community.
Case proven.Lets move back to the other soundmod thread and continue this 'friendly discussion' shall we.

Historical and unfair advantage in gaming are two VERY different things. You can go in a stock server and use stuff like that when the others there are expecting you to not have them. How hard is that to understand? The difference with TR is that the team that actually made IL2 made it with TR in mind.

Rather stunning, and sadly, such an absolute waste.....You pro-modders have no idea of the potential you are throwing away. Yet you are, and more so being adults yet doing as a youngster would who scolded, so instead of acknowledging being that everyone knows, continues to compound it as though after enough times a wrong will become right.


Fact of the matter is simple, and everyone here knows it no amount of simply claiming opposite makes it not so......

* The sim was hacked....That was wrong.
* Those hacks and how to do so were released to the world whether available or not inconsequential as I bet 90% of the folks here had no idea how and devoted little time to it....That was wrong yet could of been corrected yet wasn't *1*.
* To avoid admitting the wrong of above, and suddenly greeted by the aclaim of many even more were generated and still are....and that was wrong to a point *1*
* It was stated by many from the beginning that the irresponsibility of sharing this work the way it was (laid out and exposed)....was wrong *1*
* Everyone realizes that when alterations (mods) are made that make an advantage of some over others for ANY reason....That is wrong *1*
* and anyone with even a shred of common sense knows there have always been cheaters in the sim, that the reason many have not is they didn't know how (and no matter how slight the advantage it's still a cheat) and therefor opened and exposed the cheating will simply get worse....It's simply common sense *1*

All the spamming, trying to recruit others to get on the bandwagon, claims there is nor can be such, and rediculous points of arguments and trolling simply compounding all the wrongs as there has all this time been a chance to make it right....and it's been deliberately ignorred as though the second the wrongs are acknowledged trying to make it right....Then you'll have to deal with admitting the wrongs.

You can get 99.999% of the players here to go along with it...It doesn't make it right, it only makes 99.999% of the players doing wrong.........So how do you make it right? *1*


*1*
It can't be undone, we all know that........Yet to continue as it has been only makes the problems we all know are coming compounded.....As I have said over and over and over, it's time for the pro-modding community to step up and try and make the wrongs of above livable for all.......As we ALL must live with the ramification we ALL know is coming.

First off, the tools and the help given to tearing apart the SFS are so distributed now it having been so long it's too late to stop the damage to be done there...A month ago or more maybe.

Next, the mods generated to date need to be collected, organized and recompiled into groups....Groups like default skins, AI flyables, sight alterations and so on.....Once done, the modders need to take a very very hard look at the work insuring it is up to the quality standard we've come to expect from Maddox Games. Those that don't either get reworked or tossed out...Then these things have to be tested thoroughly to insure no conflicts, bugs or errors.................Sounding like a pain in the rump yet? Well this is what Maddox games had to do with every patch and hence subsequent ones to fix errors found. Not that any of your mods have had bugs or errors ;) awful familiar huh to what's been going on for years.

You must also, and this is a gigantic task, insure without a doubt that every single button and screw is historically accurate......BS like "well 500 planes had these out of 5,000" or "it looks ok to me even though I'm handed proof to the contrary" or "I think I read somewhere once" simply will not fly and will not be tolerated by a big portion of the community........The historical accuracy is what keeps people here, not the arcade "kinda sorta maybe's"........Find something like I mentioned before about spit sights, some had them some didn't?.......No problem, there is a NEW version of the plane, that way you don't have someone having an advantage over another unfairly...EIther one or the other version or is in the planeset used to possibly both...Yet then EVERYONE is on the same page.....Additional/new weapons, n/p get em right and accurate and add them into loadouts if all types had them or just the sub types applicable.......(and don't even try to tell us you're not going there, if not today you will tomorrow how it is, simply human nature).

Once you have a patch it MUST be recompiled in such a way that joe lazy cheater cannot simply look at the zipped files and instantly see what he can alter further......I'm assuming to some degree you're already doing this or are beginning to find the means from your .exe's. It MUST be presented in this way, or you're only compounding the wrongs above.

The patch above then should change the version number....Why? As that way, everyone who uses mods is on the exact same page not some having advantages over others.....Guess what, it works for non-modders to as their version doesn't match!....Kinda kills that whole unfair advantage and potential cheaters via the mod argument doesn't it?

On and on......It's simple, face the music, admit the wrong by TRYING TO CORRECT IT....That what we adults do, we face it, try and fix it the best we can and then and only then can you say you made a responsible effort.

Fact of the matter is this has put us ALL at risk......No problem if you just put yourself there, yet you put us ALL there the way things stand.......All the banter and nonsense only makes it worse...........As nobody, and I mean absolutly nobody is so naive or stupid to not know that advantages over others in play are cheats, no matter how small, no matter if only the client can see them or all.........and that the true cheaters, those really intending to cheat the game and online play are here and simply going to get worse.

It's a matter of responsibility, and once some responsibility is taken to try and at least chain the genie out of the bottle..........THEN you'll find your respect.

ALL OF US want more things in this sim then you all can even imagine....We all want changes and more content..........Yet we want it responsibly, not willing to risk it all for our own 1 petty thing.

It's your responsibility to do these things and more pro-modders.....As I said before, you broke it, you fix it............Past this I'm done with these two rediculous threads in this forum....How'd you all put it, ah yes:

Speak to the Hand! lmao

Bi*chfish out...

endless posts and yet no tracks to prove cheating ....

as for mods goes, its simple don't use them if you don't like them.... but they are out there and they are available to everyone so there is no disadvantage , like with trackIR ... not all player are using it but they can if they want to.... its their choice as the same as it is with mods

Well,

I don't have one post with respect to this issue in GD/SIMHQ or here. In my years with Il2 I've been through:

1. .50 cal whine war
2. 151/20 whine war
3. 190 Cockpit bar
4. U.S. Aircraft are porked whine war
5. Spitfire is too uber whine war
6. Dot whine war
7. 100/150 Fuel whine war
8. Trim on a slider whine war
9. Many, many more.

Prior to the hack/mod, the personal attacks, name calling and continual repeat of the same point ad infinitum, was at least divided down "red/blue"-"US red/USSR red" stovepipes.

Not this time. I see folks attacking each other in the most vile, dogmatic and destructive ways. If you removed the technical and historical references, an outsider might actually mistake this for a religious war.

I see past friends and comrades insulting each other to the point where a few weeks of "cooling off" might never repair those relationships.

We've even slunk so low now, that past friends are judging each other by which FORUMS they frequent? "I saw you posted OVER THERE - you must be a cheat!".

The strength of the Il2 community was always first and foremost it's PEOPLE.

The only thing good about this issue is, for once, it's not about RED vs BLUE or nationalistic pride. The bad thing is that it pits onliners against offliners - and "loyalists" against "revolutionaries".

There are only three logical outcomes to this battle:

1) It will be fixed in 4.09 soon
2) A third party encryption program will be developed
3) Nothing will be solved (least likely possibility based upon past history)

In the end, all the dogma, rhetoric, gnashing of teeth and slinging of mud won't accomplish anything except the permanent alienation of those who have fundamentally different views over this issue.

- For the "fundamentalists": All signs point to a 1C fix in the near future. When you get your "fix" - how many folks will be left to fly with and against? How many months/years do you think it will take to "heal" any of this? Do you think you are now, not partially responsible for creating the "death of the sim" that many of you are predicting? Think about it, if you can.

- For the "revolutionaries": No amount of discourse will change anyone's mind. The mortar is set. You've taken it upon yourselves to challenge the system - if that's what you want to do - why do you expect everyone to support you? Why don't you realize that perhaps a bungled up installation of the mod might not cause online issues?

What goal are any of you attempting to achieve?

As far as I, and many of the "quieter" folks in the community are concerned - this entire episode is disgusting FROM BOTH POINTS OF VIEW.

A pox on both your houses, as you are both destroying the community!

S~ and good luck in your holy war. I hope I've angered all of you sufficiently to re-examine how your acting, at least.

Now that I've had my turn for an "emotional outburst" at least I feel better.

Gunny

With all due respect to you, you are dreaming. If you have ever heard the term "you can never go home"....well that applies here, to this sim. Just fly with people that you trust, and enjoy the game. It's not the end of the world, and lots of fun is still to be had.

Well to me it's simple and here my advice .. until maybe 4.09 is fixed or SOW is out there only one solution for the Onliner that love adrenaline and fight...
It's "LOCKON / FLAMING-CLIFF" .... I can assure you that there are conciderably way less arcadish pilots there .. what a fun.. Sow is not out yet... my Lockon days restart again.. and same thing Hyperlobby etc.. just maybe a bit smarter this time.

Voila.. done.

Some Online pics last night
http://www.gozr.net/iocl/images/lockon/wingman1.jpg

http://www.gozr.net/iocl/images/lockon/lb1.jpg

http://www.gozr.net/iocl/images/lockon/lb2.jpg

http://www.gozr.net/iocl/images/lock...nattack104.jpg

yea lets review then, and since even basic concepts seem hard to grasp by the hack crowd we'll take it in little steps for you, call a friend if you still get lost along the way

from the oxford dictionary, .... you know ... one of those big books that helps you with determining the meaning of words

the question was "Post links to 'cheating using the soundmod' tracks here:"

the meaning of the key words in that phrase:
cheat n verb
1 act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage. deprive of something by deceitful or unfair means.
2 a person who cheats.
3 an act of cheating.

about 10 links were posted of exactly that, people entering fullreal servers with the hacked soundmod files, and flying planes that are not normally available, people flying planes completely outside their normal parameters (vertical takeoff for do-335 anybody ?)

case closed, its clear by searching for 30 sec on google that lots of cheating is occurring


what you seem to want, is for a reborn hacker to turn up singing "haleluja i been saved" and post in cockpit views of flying an 1-16 at 650 km/hr with a closeup of the speed dial, or or a stork loading up a nuke and 4 x 30 mm canons in the setup screen.

your hack buddies arnt honest enough to come and confess to that here, you know that well enough to.

You quote the Oxford English Dictionary.Well done.Now please go back and edit your post using the correct diction,capital letters,full stops and comma's that the English language demands.
Please ask your mother to make sure you take your copy of the Oxford English Dictionary back to the library on time.
As I said,you have no proof of cheating online using the soundmod on your computer.There is no case of cheating online using the soundmod in this thread,after 36 hours and several thousand views.Someone going into a server,asking permission to use the soundmod,and telling everyone they are using the soundmod does not count as cheating.
And regardless of what you think,I am not 'pro-mod' or 'anti-mod'.I just want to see proof of cheating that everyone says they have.

hit a bit of a raw nerve there, did i ? try and make a better attempt next time to be a bit more precise in the words you use when you are trying to post self answering questions, it makes it less boring for the rest of us to poke holes in your arguments. word have specific meanings, if you then put them together in a correct manner it allows you to communicate clearly with others.

but lets not get sidetracked now, extensive cheating is possible with the soundmod file, and even more so with the hacked versions that the juvi's got their hands on later, and you know that to.

you blind or something ? or cant you really think in a logical straight line for the 60 sec it takes to read a short piece of text.

you asked for links to 'cheating using the soundmod' tracks, and about 10 video's and tracks were posted showing exactly that.

now you been asked in return to post proof here that you have evidence and guarantees that no cheating whatsoever is occurring online since the soundfile hack was released and the il2 files were cracked. you avoiding the question ?

eww, you'd been totally misunderstood then , have you ? i wonder how that happened.

ahh i know, in case your attention span was really that short just read some of your earlier post in this forum and you should be able to figure that one out for yourself.

Raw nerve? Not really,but if you must quote the Oxford English Dictionary at me,and then start writing in a style that would get my 10 year old in trouble at school, then what can I say?
As to the other statements you made,what can I say? I suppose I could post some tracks of me flying online in several different servers with no evidence of cheating going on,but what would that prove?
As I have stated on more than one occasion,I have not witnessed any instance of cheating online using the soundmod.Others have stated that they have witnessed instances of cheating online using the soundmod.
I can post my tracks of not seeing any cheating.
please post your tracks of seeing cheating.

As for the rest of it,what can I say? I am not totally blind,just partially sighted,so in response to your question 'are you blind?' then no,not quite.Maybe I am missing all the cheating due to my eyesight.If I post some tracks,can you point out the times that the cheating occurred for me so I can examine them? Thanks i appreciate it.
This is not the soundmod discussion thread,so we should really move there now for further banter.Keep this thread for your proof.