at what speed do i make circles with the 109?
 

well forseeing everybody will fly a spit ii ill have to fly a 109

i notice if you dont pay attention with the 109 you end making circles at 200 kph and that cant be good

at what speed should i make circles with the 109?

300 mph at 10000 ft is a good number and safe. Altitude and speed is like money , better to have a good reserve.

yes but i mean ideals speed at sustained turning for 109

300mph seems too much :)

He means what is the planes best turn rate speed for a dogfight.

I know best climb is at 250km/h at sea level, it goes down as you gain altitude.

yes many people climb at 180 kph and complain ai is uber or cheating or who knows :rolleyes:

Strange.......I often feel it is the other way around, most people want to fly german stuff because it is sexier.

i think people fly axis cause theyre aces wanna be

only germans had aces as spits pilots retired to training after 25 downs

I'm sure you don't quite mean it that way.....an ace officially was someone with 5 kills or more, plenty of british pilots had 'ace' status, and many british aces had more than 25 kills.

The main reason I like Axis is because of the cowling mounted MG's and later propeller hub cannons.

It's so much easier to aim and hit something with than the wing mounted stuff. The axis machines are easier to control too in most cases (more automated features such as automatic radiators and propeller pitch adjustment and lessens workload on the pilot.

However that's the exact reason it's fun/challenging to fly allied fighters :D Besides allied fighters seem less vulnerable when it comes to coolant and lubrication systems :)

the only thing which makes my heart beat fast is a circle fight :)

once i dreamt i was a light dogfighting in circles a bunch of other lights around the central black hole of the universe :)

i guess got it from the game :)

i can get 120 heart rate in a dog fight but got be difficult like me in a 109 against a spit, but pls devs not imposible

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also the 109 can easily out trun a spit with scissor

the sluts allow it to go slower so scissors are more effective in the 109, even in il2 46

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i just tested and seems any neewbee on a spit can outurn me with a 109

well still waiting for arcade servers with equal rides :)

Exactly, a mistake to avoid in the 109. Dont go never in turn combat with Spitfires or Hurricanes. Slats helps but is not enough and both British fighters gain advantage quickly against the 109.

I demand a couple of sluts in my 109 too. :-P

I am 100% with cheesehawk regarding 109 tactis.

Cheers.

I think you confounded something there. 109's have manual proppitch and coolers (oil and water). I wouldn't say the Spit is easier to fly, but concerning my experience on the 109 and Spit I'd say it takes more "concentration" from the pilot in a 109. But maybe you could say it's a compensation that the Spit can't simply go in a dive cause it's engine would cut out. Hard to say...

I'll take some too. C'mon Luthier put that one in your patch list !!!

But I can't see the slats working although adding a bit flaps help greatly bellow 250kph (less than 2 wheel's revolution ). Any one have more luck ?

Yes, the thing for the Spitfires and Hurricanes is entry in this Spit S fast and clean, quickly and dont loss too many distance or energy before the dive. That take some practice but with the time that come near natural.

actually you can out turns spits with 109

i just outturnerded severals X ) online

the trick is going at 220 kph

you are making a tighter circle at 220 than the spit at 250

so all the spit has to do is reduce to 220 and hes got you beat again, historical fact spitfires could out-turn 109's

yes but in this game you have to play with energy instant vs sustained turns

and the spit is only actually easier to pilot but not neccesaryly a better turner and the game refelcts that perfectly

the more experience i acquire with the 109 the better i outturn spits

in fact on the beginning i remmeber how badly a pro on a 109 out turn me with me on the spit

is up the pilot not the machine and much more in this game than il2 46

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oh and the spit cant turn horizontally at 220 forn not having salts

Do you know this book?
Robert L. Shaw - Fighter Combat: Tactics and Maneuvering
I recommend it very much if you did not read it. Very good book. Was made for jets, and maybe too "vocational" (it never does harm ;) ),but a lot write about a basic, useful things.

check myself int he old il2 flying an i185 outturning a newbee on a gladiator :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N43ua-OzpZ4

Real 109 pilots never ever did let the slats come out in dogfights. As the sides werent connected, they didn´t engage simultaneously. That could ruin their day :grin:

I am sry but this is a legend. Aces fly with an eye on the ball to keep her centered. They did not have any problem with the slats.

Just like the old story abt the 109 turning better one way that the other.

Flying an i185 (if it shld be called after the real aircraft) I could easily scratch my own back with the prop of my plane :rolleyes:

What are your references ? Mine are personal talks with 3 109 drivers. One was an ace. And yours ?

reading (a lot)

hve fun

Problem is, that the authors never sat in a WW plane, and one is copying from the other.
Most of the things, I´ve been told, I did never read in a book - and i am reading a lot myself :)

And this ace made very much use of his slats:

More interesting quotes from pilots about the 109 and it's slats: http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/articles/109myths/