and.. Why not Armée de l´air and low countryes next?
 

THE BATTLE OF FRANCE AND LOW COUNTRIES 1940

Armée de l'Air : France Air Force
Morane-Saulnier 406 (flyable)
Dewoitine D520 (flyable)
Breguet 691 (flyable) fighter, light bomber
Farman F222 bomber
Bloch 131.
Bloch 152 (flyable)
Potez 63.11

Royal Air Force Advanced Air Striking Force
Fairey Battle single-engine light bomber (flyable)
Hurricane Mk I (flyable)
Gloster Gladiator

Royal Netherlands Air Force
Fokker D.XXI single-engine fighters (flyable)
Fokker G.I twin-engine fighters (flyable)
Fokker C.X light bombers
Douglas DB-8A-3N light bombers
Fokker T.V type bombers

Belgian Air Force.
Fiat CR.42 Falco ("Falcon") was a single-seat fighter biplane (flyable)
Fairey Fox Mk.IV attack/light bomber
Gloster Gladiator

Luftwaffe and Italian Air force very similar to Storm of War Battle Of Britain

AXIS flyable

Bf-109 E1
Bf-109 E3
Bf-110 C
Do-17 Z-1
He-111 H-2
He-111 P-2
Ju-87 B-2
Ju-88 A-1

AXIS AI

Hs-126
Ro.37
Cant Z-501
Fi-156
He-59
He-115
Ju-52 /3M
Bf-108

Everything you just said. :)

Yeah great, more allied planes that will just get owned by the 109's. Single player is for people who are scared of a real fight, I want to see more planes worth flying against real people in multiplayer so I say this idea is just awful.
Of course, I will keep saying that about every idea until I see a P-47, P-51 or P-38 on this list so as you can tell I'm pretty biased.

The sooner I get to see one or more of the planes listed above in the sim, and their FM accurately portrayed, the happier and more enthusiastic I will be. Right now with the Spitfire versus 109 fights it seems that anytime I run across a single 109 in my single Spitfire and try to engage the 109 pilots just run away... Completely boring. Try outrunning a 47 or 38 ya little sissy bastards! Yeah but anyways, in case you havent already noticed, I wont be happy until I can look out of my cockpit and see the USAF decals on my wings.:grin:

lol bf109 vs p47 or p38....Did you know why they have bomber role .... more then figther role... ??? Its will be easy ;). By the way p51 wasn t so good to for dog fight. American are good for number, not quality, like cars..... German rule ... lol jk :)

I wasnt saying the 47 and 38 were great dogfighters, I was just saying the 109's and Fw's wouldnt be able to run from them so easily. And maybe the P-51 isnt a good dogfighter in a Germans hands, but it is deadly in mine since I know it so well:grin: When it comes to quality machinery, German and Japanese all the way, though we are starting to catch up in the automotive market at least.

"My Luftwaffe is invincible...And so now we turn to England. How long will this one last - two, three weeks?"Hermann Goring- June 1940

I hope the sim will do well in usa, i will love to see this plane to. Great time whit the p38 ( il2 ) :). ~S~

And those who don't like dealing with inflated egos and people who fly in a non-realistic manner to rack up kills. :-P
Don't take it personally, i don't mean you specifically, it's just harder to set gameplay standards when dealing with a bunch of other players who all want to win.

Single-player usually gives a more realistic depiction of how things were planned and executed, while multiplayer gives a better idea of how it was actually fought in regards to the combat aspect of it (the actual dogfight) because human players fight harder than the AI.

For these reasons i like both single and multi equally (they give the chance to do different things), but due to real-life scheduling issues multi is usually too much trouble for me to set up. I would fly more if i had the time, but for when i want to be able to just press ESC and get off the PC in a hurry i use single player, plus it allows me to set up each scenario exactly like i want to, while it's much harder to get the entire population of a server to play along unless it's a special event.

As for the rest of your post, well, i like the early war planeset because things are reversed compared to late war and it's interesting: the luftwaffe has better performing planes that are harder to operate (not fly, operate) with their manual pitch and what not, while RAF has easier to operate and handle aircraft (automatic boost control, two-stage or constant speed props) but slower ones.

In late war scenarios it's the exact opposite. The US planes are the fastest, highest flying ones but they are a nightmare to fly properly. Forget everything you knew about the pony, the P-47 and the P-38 from IL2:1946, if you want to fly a Jug with the new CEM you'll need 7, yes SEVEN separate engine controls (throttle, prop, mixture, turbo-supercharger, intercoolers, oil coolers, cowl flaps)...double that for twins like the P-38.

Sure, i can leave everyone in the dust with a Jug if i plan ahead but if i don't, a fully automated 190 will be blasting at me while i try to configure my ride from cruise to combat settings...not to mention they have better initial acceleration in general, getting caught with one's pants down is almost certain death or a mandatory disengage maneuver with a long dive that takes you out of the action.

It's not going to be easy and thank god for that, because the simple CEM in the older sim made every performance advantage bigger than it was in reality.

With the more difficult CEM we have now, the planes with the performance advantage are harder to operate (luftwaffe in the early years, allied ones later on) and this makes gameplay more interesting while also being closer to reality. It sure is going to be interesting.

In fact it already is so interesting that i might pick up on aircraft i didn't fly in the older series because i considered them to give too much of an advantage for too little work. For example, i detested the Spit and most of the late war allied hot-rods in IL2:1946 and preferred to fly 190As which, ironically enough, performed better on manual settings than they did on auto.

In the new sim i actually like the Spit because it takes some work to make it perform and i suspect i'm going to like the US warbirds for the same reason, they will have an accurate portrayal of their true complexity in operation...apparently i'm a simulator masochist who only likes to fly the aircraft that are harder to learn :-P

I think the best practice for people who want to fly Ponies and Jugs in a possible future add-on is to fly 109s and 110s in CoD today, just to start getting used to the workload and the required mentality ;)

The best way to fly online is to get in the servers TS or Vent, that way its not so much every man for himself and you can coordinate with the other players. Makes it much more fun when you have 2-8 players on comms and you can fly around with some back-up instead of taking off and trying to fight alone. This greatly increases your chances of surviving in an online furball and increases your chances of a kill since the enemy may be more concerned with your wingmen than you for awhile. It also helps alot to be able to urgently let your flight know you have a bandit on your six and you will probably take a few hits and be rescued. The simplest online engagement totally blows the most complex offline one away soley for the fact that its you against a real "pilot" and not some AI jack-off. It can be daunting at first to step into multiplayer but it is completely worth it. Just remember, get in TS/Vent and USE IT! Let us know when you warming the engine, when your wheels are up and where you are at or going to be.


As for the complex CEM on any fighter plane, Bring it on!

Pardon the frank speech but both online and the "human factor" are grossly overrated. Unless you have a tight-knit bunch of people with exactly the same ideas about gameplay you get inflated egos, dogfight fixation, an underlying sportive contest menthality and not to forget little more than a steady gangbang. I rather cope with the faults of the AI - which will at least fly everything I put it into without moaning and whining and demanding "fairness" - than waste my precious freetime on an online environment that doesn't give me anything ... except a headache. :rolleyes:

Just getting on comms with guys on your team will eliminate 90% of your concerns here. Syndicate server for the win!

Actually I heard the Devoitine 520 was pretty good, and quite a match against bf 109s. Though slower, they were more maneuverable.

P47s were not that good for dogfights indeed, in the beginning when pilots first started playing around with it... But eventually it became deadly at high altitudes and when the US pilots new what to do with it, it became quite good. :) Especially for B-17 escort girls !

+1
Couldn't agree more.
I don't bother contesting with childish egos on dogfight servers, the most interesting part from my perspective is to fly combat aircraft featuring highly detailed - 3d, FM, DM, AI, nav, com, sound, visual, ammo models and recreate tactical situations which tend too be historically accurate : no never ending dogfight or the like on a stamp-sized map, which has definitely nothing to do with historical accuracy.

+1 on that, even though I am mainly a online flier, but those "inflated egos" and "wanna be commander-in-chiefs" on coms are a pain in the butt, for me always a reason to stay off coms unless certain people are online, otherwise coms, thanks but no thanks.....listing to screaming kids is not what I call, a good pass time. Not even going to mention the way these people fly either.
As no matter what flight sim, the vast majority don´t give a hoot about missions or objectives, but just want to gangbang. Fine for those that like that. But there are also plenty that have a differant view on that, even though they seldom voice their views here. The only common ground is the flight sim, thats it. But certainly not wishing to spend time with such people with which there is just one single common point.

As to the original topic yes I would be all for more early war scenarios, but I fear as usual the kids who just care about their late war hot rods will get their wishes heard again, and the others will most likely have to find something else.
My time is too precious to spend it with inflated egos, and gangbanging hot rod freaks.

but at least one cant say that the 'possible' "Battle of Moskau" scenario is full of 'late war monsters' ;)

there are a lot of possible "crap planes" and there will be lot of possibilites for mudmoving :D i will just miss the possible shipattacks that would be possible with a 41 or (for the Spitfire pilots ;) ) 42 MTO scenario. Not to speak about carrier operations with the FAA :)
and as a Martlet (as a Grumman product ;) ) might be questionable, i can see Fulmars, SeaHurricanes and Swordfishes for that !! :)
perhaps in 5 years from now on....

OK for DF servers, but one cannot put in the same basket dogfight servers and coop/virtual wars. There is nothing better in the simulated world, imo, than the online experience with a squad. Never had more fun than flying online missions, with well known and trusted mates, against people sharing the same sportly and fair approach.

Cheers,
Insuber (proud member of 6° Stormo :))

I've tried that as well ... Same issues as outlined above. ;)

That is the part of the online experience I think would definitely appeal to me.
The 'each man for himself' mentality, not so much.

well, the 'good old times' of COOP onlinewars are over i guess.....

It was a blast the last 8-9 years :D
that was 95% of my onlineflying with classic IL2. Met a lot of very nice people of all nations on TeamSpeak too !

Completely agree, this is exactly what i try to do when i have time to get into multi. It just needs setting a "slice" of time apart for flying because interruptions (eg, pausing mid-flight and coming back to the PC half an hour later) are not possible in multiplayer.

I cant wait to see all te types mentioned above.Why oh Why do we keep hearing p51 p47 Its getting very very annoying now.
I cant wait to see the lovely looking P51 and the power packing P47.I love the look and the history of these fine a/c,when i was 15 yrs old(im now 40;)) i made a "Royal Kit"of a p51 remote control,i do honestly love the look of the A/C.
I just mentioned history,Please gents lets let it take its course.
Not everything HAS to have an American involvement.
Take that how you wish,i dont mean to be rude in anyway.
Im well aware of the situation Britain was in in 1940/41 and im also well aware of the money and the hardware that followed after 42 but for gods sake its a bloody game.
I for 1 would love nothing more than a whole series made of the offensive into France just after the BoB,with all the new tactics and the new a/c,Spits,190s,etc.
That was a time in history when it was pivotal to go on the attack.
I cant wait for this game to develope into what we all want it to be,and it will be(at the moment 70%of the online(or offline)flyers cant even get the bloody thing working!!!!
Hope i dont get shot to peices for this(but im expecting,just like so many others in this forum i will)
I cant wait for the historically accureat Whirlwind, and the Lancaster and the Typhhon etc etc i want i want i want

Cheese

http://www.tangmerepilots.co.uk/

Bang bang

From the sound of things you have never actually been in comms, theres no screaming kids and commander in chief wannabes. Do I have to be a kid to like fast, beautiful and deadly aircraft? Oh wait, since you like slow and disadvanted aircraft you must be a real "man"! Give me a break... And inflated egos are quickly deflated by a few good rounds in the right place. Your time is so precious you would rather spend it playing with yourself? I mean thats what offline flying is right? Have fun with that, isnt that what all the "kids" are doing too?:rolleyes:

Online is definitely fun. The coms part is what really makes it. If you have a laid back atmosphere you can easily find yourself getting in trouble at work because of lack of sleep :) There are going to be those that care about stats or whine when they get shot down.

But when you go at with the fun it's supposed to be, it doesn't get much better than flying in a team. IL2 is infamous for it's crap planes. There's nothing like getting 8-10 of your squad together with everyone jumping in a TB3, expecting full well to get destroyed :)

But I would not be playing any flight sims if I wasn't talking to my mates. It add soo much more to flying. And then when you hop it up into a SEOW or ADW type situation, or a fully immersed depiction of war with a bunch of your squad, it's almost exhausting and exhilarating at the same time. But soo worth it.

I can not stand SP and that's no offense to anyone that likes it. But when I know I'm flying or participating against a robot, I just can't seem to feel really there. And that's the point to me. Humans make the sims as dynamic as it can be. And after all the MP stability issues / game issues are sorted, expect to see many ongoing online campaigns from us.

To each their own, but if you haven't given coms or MP a chance, hop in our coms and prepare to have fun ;)

And bring plenty of this: (Thanks to Kristorf!)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...orsBeerRun.jpg

Oh no need to look at Grumman products, there are other aircraft that where in fair use that are almost always forgoten, like this one:
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/usa/airc...aryland-01.jpg
Usage:
Defense of Malta

The No. 431 General Reconnaissance Flight received the first Marylands in October 1940.2,3
Taranto

The Marylands provided the reconnaissance of Taranto Harbor before the Swordfish attacked the Italian Navy.

Is also mentioned in trainings films like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXMRT...3EEFF99C570AB3

Keep on guessing you are not even close.
Your furball gangbang plane don´t interest me the slightest bit at all so keep on wanking about your beautiful and deadly what ever......:-P

Great idea,I really like this and anything but the Eastern front!!

Kris shall we open a proper adult thread about the timeline and the relevant a/c? i wonder how long it would take until someone on this forum would flame that aswell? pathetic really..


Cheese

I Love that battle of france plane set. Also will love Battle of Moskow.
I like early war planes better. But i also like to fly late war 190 A9s for example.
You are worried about red planes being worse but a powerfull plane is not everything. I used to have a lot of fun in a furball server downing La7s with a Mc200, it is very easy if you force them to low speed turn fights. And they go very confident for having the better plane.
Flying weaker planes doesnt make you "more man" but force you to win with tactics and teamplay

List needs more Curtiss Hawk 75.

Yes it does.

:cool:

True! The curtiss Hawk 75 and the D520 can be a real pain in the a$$ for the 109!

Please give me that battle of france!

OT: all that are looking for a good, as real as it gets online experience (much better than offline) should try Ghost Skies online war, or any SEOW. IL2 1946 off cuorse

Count me in for a copy of the the low countries may 40 campaign. It'll be a short campaign with well defined goals for the Germans. Looks like a lot of the vehicles are allready in the game.

low countries and Bof for me any day instead of the usual p51's and thunderbolts that we get lumbered with in the late war scenarios.
unfortunately it is not likely to happen due to the size of the Us market and
not to be rude, general ignorance of anything non US.

cheers
Craig

Well, for me the best move forward is to go right along the path of WWII (chronologically). I enjoy all the WWII birds and I hope EVERY theater of war eventually gets put into this sim, similar to what we have with modded 46. :)

Hello.
Yes that would be a great idea for an expansion. I would love to learn more about French WW2 aircraft, as I recall some of them were quite capable. Would be an interesting theater never before seen in flight sims. But looks like it will be Battle of Moscow next (hello my favorite ground attack plane and winter terrain :) )

Hello!

Right now we talk about Battle of France 1940. Mustangs, Thunderbolt and Lightings joined to war in the 1943 and if we compare Bf 109 in the 1940 and the 1943 they are absolutelly different planes.
I would like if next expand would be the Battle of France.
To all lovers of American planes one important plane missing from previous list Curtiss Hawk 75A which was best fighter of Armée de l'Air during the Battle of France.

I would love to fly the Fokker G1:

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/a...v008_0279c.jpg

It was a very modern plane for that time, and it might have inspired the designers of the P-38 lightning.

Should they proceed that way, there're nice "Fall Gelb" (Attack in the west) & "Fall Rot" (BoF) a/c which would be cool. Without mentionning the BAAF (AASF + Air Component) assets such as Battles, Lysanders and even Spit I (PR) in France... A few screenies of French a/c I once shot during dev of CFS3 BoF/ETO mods :