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Bobb4 05-05-2011 06:05 AM

Luthier an update on ATI blue stripes issue please
 
Luthier an update on ATI blue stripes issue please?
Can we at least be told the team is aware of the issue and are in communication with AMD/ATI regarding the issue.
It has been an bug that has lasted well past any respectable quick fix solution and obviusly we as AMD/ATI card holders want to know do we complain to AMD or you to get this fixed. If the blame lies with ATI let us know and we will bang on there door but currently to have a major bug fix patch release including crossfire support and to remain silent about the ATI blue lines is worrying.
Surely when testing crossfire at least one of the development team or beta testers must have had a 6xxx series card?

Please, please lets just have a simple answer, either, yes we are working on it or no it is not our problem but an ATI driver issue :)

Flanker35M 05-05-2011 06:24 AM

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Fill in the driver feedback for too, it helps. Link can be easily found on Rage3D CatalystDriver forum..for example. Make sure when filing it to give very precise and detailed descriptions, that helped with IL-2 1946 updating too :)

Bobb4 05-05-2011 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Flanker35M (Post 278620)
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Fill in the driver feedback for too, it helps. Link can be easily found on Rage3D CatalystDriver forum..for example. Make sure when filing it to give very precise and detailed descriptions, that helped with IL-2 1946 updating too :)

Done that but we still do not have any official feedback on whether it is driver related or game engine...

Flanker35M 05-05-2011 06:45 AM

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Would be nice to get some info. And f Luthier's team need help with AMD testing I am sure here are more than willing guys to help out. in nV land everything is greener and better it seems :D ;)

addman 05-05-2011 12:32 PM

Would just like to report that I DON'T have (and never have had) the blue line horizon artifact with my HD 6850. I guess it's a HD 69xx series problem since most people that have the problem seems to have HD 69xx cards. Maybe that will narrow down the troubleshooting. Screenshot of "artifact free" horizon below:

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/57...BFAB723C2F66F/

W0ef 05-05-2011 12:46 PM

Seems to be indeed an ATI 6xxx issue.

Just to clarify to those that dont suffer from it I thought I´d post a screen which quite clearly shows the issue:

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3171/codtest3.jpg


p.s. Filled in the AMD feedback form some time ago, thanks for the link ;)

Kankkis 05-05-2011 12:50 PM

I dont have those problems at all, never has , ati5970

=XIII=Shea 05-05-2011 01:08 PM

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I also have the same problem,i have left a post on AMD forums also about this problem,seems like its a driver problem,some ati dont have it but hd 6950,6970 have it.also it seems that nvidia users dont have it:confused:

addman 05-05-2011 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W0ef (Post 278795)
Seems to be indeed an ATI 6xxx issue.

Just to clarify to those that dont suffer from it I thought I´d post a screen which quite clearly shows the issue:
p.s. Filled in the AMD feedback form some time ago, thanks for the link ;)

I KNOW it's a problem that's why I posted my screenshot to help narrow it down as it doesn't seem to affect ALL of the HD 6xxx series. This is -as above mentioned- most likely a driver issue though.

W0ef 05-05-2011 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by addman (Post 278810)
I KNOW it's a problem that's why I posted my screenshot to help narrow it down as it doesn't seem to affect ALL of the HD 6xxx series. This is -as above mentioned- most likely a driver issue though.

Welll....I think I agreed with you didn´t I? :-P Just thought posting a screenie which clearly shows the issue might be helpful ;)

Warhound 05-05-2011 08:05 PM

Have these blue lines on my 6950 aswell, and had them on the older 4850 too. What I did notice is that they aren't there when flying low (like the parachute pic above) nor when way up high. They only seem to be there in midrange altitudes..which sadly are the ones you spend the most time in

machoo 05-05-2011 09:08 PM

I too have a 6950 and get the blue stripes. Also noticed this http://img543.imageshack.us/i/2011050500003u.jpg/

Buchon 05-05-2011 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by machoo (Post 279056)
I too have a 6950 and get the blue stripes. Also noticed this http://img543.imageshack.us/i/2011050500003u.jpg/

Is this in DX9 ?

Because it looks like this report in Windows XP (DX9) :

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=226

machoo 05-05-2011 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Buchon (Post 279060)
Is this in DX9 ?

Because it looks like this report in Windows XP (DX9) :

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=226

It shouldn't be , unless you can set DX9 as default for all applications. I'm using the 11.4 catalyst drivers and on windows 7 64.

=XIII=Shea 05-06-2011 11:27 AM

I have contacted ATI about this problem

Doc_uk 05-06-2011 02:59 PM

I have this problem 2, and it only happens in dx10 ,
dx9 is ok, but who wants to play this in dx9, i dont

W0ef 05-06-2011 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by machoo (Post 279056)
I too have a 6950 and get the blue stripes. Also noticed this http://img543.imageshack.us/i/2011050500003u.jpg/

That actually looks quite typical of what happens when you install the beta patch on top of the last beta without making sure CoD is in a "clean" state.

I´ll post these steps once more, follow them machoo and see if you still have the texture bug (wont solve the blue stripes sadly enough though ;)

1) Open steam, go to library, right click Cliffs of Dover, Select Properties and go to Local Files tab, click on Verify Integrity of Game Cache and let it run and download.

2) Go to \Documents\1C SoftClub\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover\cache\ and delete everything in the main folder, keep the shaders folder but delete everything inside.

3) Delete your conf.ini in \Documents\1C SoftClub\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover\ It will make a new one next time you start up the game, you have to set your video settings again first time you start the game.

4) Download the latest patch and extract it to your desktop, then cut and paste all folders to \Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover\ selecting yes on any request to overwrite and copy and replace otherwise.

5) For ATI users go to C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover\parts\core\GUI\ and rename the intro.wmv to something different or just delete it, just be careful as it might affect VAC cheat protection in the future when playing online, so far there seems to be no problem to do this though.

Novol 05-19-2011 04:49 PM

Just updated to patch v 1.01.14550 + catalyst 11.5 hotfix, blue stripes still here with 6950 :(

Ze-Jamz 05-19-2011 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W0ef (Post 279404)
That actually looks quite typical of what happens when you install the beta patch on top of the last beta without making sure CoD is in a "clean" state.

I´ll post these steps once more, follow them machoo and see if you still have the texture bug (wont solve the blue stripes sadly enough though ;)

1) Open steam, go to library, right click Cliffs of Dover, Select Properties and go to Local Files tab, click on Verify Integrity of Game Cache and let it run and download.

2) Go to \Documents\1C SoftClub\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover\cache\ and delete everything in the main folder, keep the shaders folder but delete everything inside.

3) Delete your conf.ini in \Documents\1C SoftClub\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover\ It will make a new one next time you start up the game, you have to set your video settings again first time you start the game.

4) Download the latest patch and extract it to your desktop, then cut and paste all folders to \Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover\ selecting yes on any request to overwrite and copy and replace otherwise.

5) For ATI users go to C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover\parts\core\GUI\ and rename the intro.wmv to something different or just delete it, just be careful as it might affect VAC cheat protection in the future when playing online, so far there seems to be no problem to do this though.

Makes absolutely no difference at all this is a 6950/6970 issue...fact!

drivers/driver cleaner,ati hotfix,patches so far have made no difference..

my Dad (lmao im 39yrs old) plays this game and has the same card but completely different spec system and he has these lines too so id put money on it being an issue just with these cards

SYN_Per 05-19-2011 04:57 PM

I have them too... Still. :(

ddmd80 01-31-2012 06:55 PM

6950 blue lines
 
I have a XFX 6950 2GB, has anyone come across a fix for this yet? I installed the 12-1 drivers no help.

Bluesman 01-31-2012 07:15 PM

I'm XFX 6870 1Gb BE user with catalyst 11.8, NO STRIPES here.

addman 01-31-2012 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluesman (Post 386743)
I'm XFX 6870 1Gb BE user with catalyst 11.8, NO STRIPES here.

That's because it's only affecting 69xx cards not 68xx cards.

Troll2k 01-31-2012 07:34 PM

I thought it had been fixed a patch or two back.Apparently the new ATI 7900 series does not have the problem.

Stealth_Eagle 01-31-2012 07:56 PM

Ok, you called, I answer. This issue will be resolved with the new graphics engine (hopefully). This engine has been of much debate of progress but if you follow the updates, you'll see that the team is working on fixing out all the bugs.

Sven 01-31-2012 09:10 PM

I don't have the blue stripes, running on a HD5770 here, seems to be 6XXX series related.

mazex 01-31-2012 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ddmd80 (Post 386736)
I have a XFX 6950 2GB, has anyone come across a fix for this yet? I installed the 12-1 drivers no help.

As they have been working hard for months on what has been described as a "major rewrite of the graphics code" we can hope that it gets fixed when that patch is released in two weeks? ;) Like many others I left for Nvidia when the 8800GTX arrived and I have never looked back... Being a hardware nerd that can change any day if AMD jumps up for a slam dunk like Nvidia did in the 8800-series :)

Flanker35M 01-31-2012 09:32 PM

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I use the 7970HD and NO stripes. Catalyst 12.1 RC or something for me. Other series could try 12.2 previews or 12.1 WHQL..And seems the 7950HD kicked 580GTX in the nuts too at launch, reviews popping up.

Al Capwn 01-31-2012 11:53 PM

I got the stripes on my old 4850 setup as well as my new 6950. However, I distinctly remember reading that someone with an nvidia card (I think it was a 560ti) was also getting the lines, so it may not be an AMD only issue.

And like Mazex said, they mentioned that with the "major rewrite of the graphics code" many of our issues would be cured; flickering shadows, horizontal stripes, memory leaks, crashing etc.

But I must say, it's very distracting :(

speculum jockey 02-01-2012 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mazex (Post 386797)
As they have been working hard for months on what has been described as a "major rewrite of the graphics code" we can hope that it gets fixed when that patch is released in two weeks? ;) Like many others I left for Nvidia when the 8800GTX arrived and I have never looked back... Being a hardware nerd that can change any day if AMD jumps up for a slam dunk like Nvidia did in the 8800-series :)

My thoughts exactly. There is really no point in Maddox Games or AMD/ATI spending time and money to patch this if the new graphics engine is "right around the corner". When (if) it's released the three blue stripe might be taken care of, or maybe the new engine will make us wish the blue stripes were still a major worry.

Wait and see!

TonyD 02-01-2012 05:17 PM

The ‘blue stripes’ are the apparent result of a compatibility issue between the current graphics engine and ‘Cayman’ gpu’s, which include the HD6950, HD6970 and dual HD6990. Only these gpu’s utilise the VLIW4 architecture, all others prior to the new HD7XXX cards use VLIW5. The issue was ‘fixed’ by 1c previously, but reintroduced with the last update. I had communicated with AMD extensively the first time around without any success, but as others have intimated, it would make little sense for them to provide a solution at this stage.

I also find them sufficiently irritating to warrant not having flown Clod since their re-appearance, and hope like hell that the planned graphics engine update resolves the issue (along with the myriad of other less annoying ones) :)

speculum jockey 02-01-2012 09:55 PM

Another thing to consider is the market share of this Sim and that ATI has in High-End Computer gaming. This is a nice product, in a niche genre, on a niche platform. From a business point of view it wouldn't be worth ATI's time to do anything to resolve this issues since this game is less than a drop in the bucket and is only affected by on line of their products (69XX cards).

Now if there was a problem with Battlefield III, World of Warcraft, Fallout3/Skyrim or any other A+++ title, you could bet your house that they would make any issue a top priority. Considering the alleged poor sales of this game, they probably wouldn't even recoup their losses in assigning someone to fix the issue even if a new graphics engine wasn't on the way.

In short, why bother when it really doesn't benefit you? Even if Clod sales were two or three times what they were, it's hard to say if they'd deem it necessary to fix. It's all about the $'s with these people, because that's what they're in the business for.

Flanker35M 02-02-2012 08:34 AM

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Part of the truth Speculum Jockey. But also the devs need to be in contact with the brand, keep them informed and co-operate. It is a fact that AMD or nVidia are not the ones that should beg for info, devs have to provide it and establish communication for best results.

addman 02-02-2012 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by speculum jockey (Post 387064)
Another thing to consider is the market share of this Sim and that ATI has in High-End Computer gaming. This is a nice product, in a niche genre, on a niche platform. From a business point of view it wouldn't be worth ATI's time to do anything to resolve this issues since this game is less than a drop in the bucket and is only affected by on line of their products (69XX cards).

Now if there was a problem with Battlefield III, World of Warcraft, Fallout3/Skyrim or any other A+++ title, you could bet your house that they would make any issue a top priority. Considering the alleged poor sales of this game, they probably wouldn't even recoup their losses in assigning someone to fix the issue even if a new graphics engine wasn't on the way.

In short, why bother when it really doesn't benefit you? Even if Clod sales were two or three times what they were, it's hard to say if they'd deem it necessary to fix. It's all about the $'s with these people, because that's what they're in the business for.

This is the fact of the matter.

speculum jockey 02-02-2012 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Flanker35M (Post 387148)
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Part of the truth Speculum Jockey. But also the devs need to be in contact with the brand, keep them informed and co-operate. It is a fact that AMD or nVidia are not the ones that should beg for info, devs have to provide it and establish communication for best results.

They could be sending volumes of data to AMD/Nvidia every hour on the hour, but if their sales are not up to snuff, they won't lift a finger to address them.

Flanker35M 02-02-2012 05:59 PM

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Well at least the driver teams would KNOW how the GFX engine works. It took AMD 10 years to fix original IL-2 issues, but they did it even IL-2 is not an AAA game ;) And now the situation for AMD and nVidia is the same, the game uses DirectX. Sure oversimplifying it but the DirectX is the same for both, Microsoft does not favor neither brand..:)

5./JG27.Farber 02-02-2012 06:48 PM

Not going to read through 4 pages but:

I had blue stripe, brown stripe even red stripe issue with cliffs of dover then other games, it turned out my graphics driver was corrupted... I reinstalled the drivers - which now auto update... I have never had the problem since.

Hope this helps. :-P


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