Building a new pc
 

I really would like to start building my new pc, could anyone chime in that's running AMD Phenom 2 x4 955,965,970, I saw the Grunch was getting decent performance. Here's what's on my list:

AMD Phenom 2 x4 965 be,970
coolermaster 212 cpu cooler
Fuzion MOBO
8 gb ram 1600mhz
SSD
6970 2 gb GPU
WD 500gb HDD
Corsair 750 PSU(don't Know what I need to run 2 6970 gpu for the future?)
Win 7 Pro

I know patches are coming soon and with in 6 months this is going to be the best flight sim, any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks

Start off by going with a 2500k for your cpu. Check the benchmarks, it kills amd!

Dont do AMD, they are terrible. Cheap and crap. Get a intel i7 2700k. It destorys any AMD chip.

AMD is everything but not terrible. Awesome bang "for the buck", not everyone can afford an intel system. Btw. Bulldozers are due out in late June. ;)

Currently, Sandy Bridge chips walk over anything AMD has to offer. That is true. However, I haven't yet seen an i7 2700k CPU. :)

If you are referring to the i7 2600k vs- i5 2500k, then definitely save your money and go for the 2500k. HT is useless in games.

As for the GPU, AMD/ATI might be a better choice now due to more VRAM as this game seems to have a very strong appetite for it.

i'd go for a GTX570

For every other game out there - yes. However this is CoD.

Yeah dont listen to the intel fanbois nothing wrong with amd. What you list will be fine once the bugs are exterminated

Well the bold parts are the two bits that seem to be most important *at the moment*, and you've definitely made the right choices there. :) Emphasis on the fact that these particularly important parts might only be temporarily more important if changes are made to the way the engine works. Any more detail about which motherboard? You don't want something that you won't be able to upgrade later.

Just built one.. I would HIGHLY recommend you not go AMD and instead get the Intel i5 2500K and also get the MSI P67A GD65 motherboard Without EVER having to open the BIOS I was able to boot that up, press a single button on the motherboard..and automatically OC it to 4.2 GHz...

+1

Intel CPU's are used more often with game development due to the high power capacity compared to AMD. Think about it, if you don't tramp out on something as vital as a CPU, then it will last you that one extra year.

Also, I HIGHLY recommend an AIR Cooler. Noctua being one of THE best. It performs a lot better then the Corsairs and it is quieter/ cheaper and is even better then cheap water cool kits.

Your misleading people with your Intel is the only way to go speal. Look how many sandy bridges get crap fps just like AMD. A high end amd will be plenty for this once its optimized.

If you have the money, wait for the bulldozers on AM3+. They should launch at the E3.

I'm willing to bet intel will make a come back. If they already haven't. Though, saying that it may cost less and be as good as intels current 6 core.

By that time CoD will hopefully be reasonably playable for the most of us. :)

I give it neck and neck with current SB's. Then there is Ivy Bridge coming later this year, not to mention the X79 chipset with quad channel memory support.

As for the MBO's - the only one I would stay away is MSI. Gindergarten and quirky BIOS and incompatibility with some RAM's. If the desire is auto OC, then Gigabyte is the way to go. Set everything on auto and just rise the multiplier.

From everything I've seen, the only thing I can definitely tell you to look for is an HD 6950/70 2GB for a video card. The GTX 570 and GTX 580 may be faster in other games, but for Cliffs of Dover the HD 6900s have an edge thanks to their 2GB of VRAM.

As far as the CPU goes, get the best you can afford. For me, that was AMD, and I'm very pleased. My 955BE does 3.6GHz without touching the voltages and the CPU and Motherboard cost me under $300 USD. In terms of price/performance, you can't beat an AMD system right now. However, if you can afford an i5 or i7 2X00, by all means go for it.

There are two 580 monsters, with 3GB VRAM each. ;)

Haven't seen anyone using them with CoD yet.

Hi,

After some tweaking i can play this game witout much stutters and then they are not note worthy on a 2500k with a ASUS p68 and ther it comes as this is COD a 1 GB gtx560ti not using all of that even.
To be honest i'm playing at 1440x900 and probably higer res would cost more ram.
But at his res it runs actually yust fine.
Updates wil only make it better.
Affinitymask 15 helped a lot to.


Niels

an i5 2500K costs $200 It certainly is more bang, and far more bang for the buck at roughly 2/3rds the price of the AMD. The Sandy Bridge MSI board is a single button press OC solution that is an outstanding game platform..

I've used both AMD and Intel before.. I always chose the best bang for the investment...and right now you can fanboy all you want, the i5 2500K and the i7 2600K are the best choices.. personally I'd go i5 but your mileage may vary

Intel's mid top range is always a bang for the buck. For some reason they release Extreme series which always cost 5 times more then the non extreme series. The only difference is a few Ghz here and there.

My Q6600 one of the first 4 core processors is pretty much still on par with current quad cores. In no way is the new i5's/7s a HUGE leap. This is primary reason I want an 8 core processor. I remember when I was buying the Q66, everyone was saying get the duo core equivalent because it "performs" better with games... Now look who's laughing. Same goes with hyperthreading... Do not be fooled by current performance issues. Your time will come.

WOW, still alot to think about, looks like I can afford the i5 2500k, will be going with 6950/70 gpu, wont be getting the sim till april whatever, still not sure which mobo to get?

when do you think the prices will start dropping on hardware.

thanks everyone for your help

"My Q6600 one of the first 4 core processors is pretty much still on par with current quad cores. In no way is the new i5's/7s a HUGE leap."
well sorry but from Q6600 and i72500K or 2600K yes it's a huge jump ! ;)

I would recommend the MSI P67A GD65 (B3 Revision) very very highly... The HUGE advantage is you add the 2500K or 2600K, some good DDR3 RAM, shut down the PC, press a button on the mobo and POOF! You are automatically Overclocked without having to tweak anything.. I means nothing.. no BIOS settings at all.. It could not be any easier..

Clock for clock i7's vs Q6600's are hardly mind blowing, infact clock for clock it is laughable... However, a jump from 4 cores to 8 would be a 100% increase on top of that you have the slight jump in clock for clock performance.

MSI is a untrustworthy brand, I have a computer with an MSI mobo and never again. Gigabyte do one of THE best mobo's on this planet. Get a UEFI Mobo aswell, check multiple reviews and make sure its SLI/xfire + USB 3 Ready.

Also, I'd go for a XFX Black edition (super overclocked or so on) of whatever card you get. Definately worth the extra £20.

The i5 2500k cpu says ddr 3 1066/1333mhz and the msi mobo says 1600mhz (oc). will I be able to use 8 gb of 1600mhz ram? this is my first build and I'm not to sure about stuff like that. Thanks

Mate, do not go for MSI, it is not a very good brand. I definately recommend Gigabyte, they are less prone to errors. MSI is also picky with ram.

get a Intel CPU Core i5 2500K Unlocked

which gigabyte mobo do you recommend?

Actually Asus may be better than Gigabyte

Corsair Vengence 1600 should cost you about $99.00 for 8 Gigs

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820233144

Read some reviews.. don't base your decision on 1 guys views good or bad. The MSI P67A GD65 board is gettng excellent reviews.. ASUS is probably the most dependable brand name.. but it doesn't mean every board of every type is good.. Read up a little at HardOCP.com and Toms Hardware..

Good man, i'll tell that some of these posts are questionable at best. 2500k is one of the best gaming cpu out for $200ish...fact! You can check all the benchmarking websites and they will say the same thing. Q6600 is still a good cpu as mentioned by gozr but I'd still love to upgrade.

Experiance alone;

ASUS Mobo's BIOS takes a long time too stabilise apon release. Gigabyte Mobo's are generally very stable.

If you want help...

Go on www.scan.co.uk, (I know you do not live in the UK but use it as a refrence). Have a look @ the most expensive 1155 Mobo's then go down to one that suite your price range and do a review search. Do the same with every componant you buy. Find one in your price and compare it too ones around.

Brands to look out for:

Gigabyte
XFX
Corsair (PSU's are brilliant)
ASUS (becareful can be quiet dodgy)
Also, I forgot to mention, invest in a GOOD case and a MODULAR PSU or you will suffer.

I will also suggest noctua air cooler

Remember, look @ your price range and compare all the products @ that price range with the aid of google. You CANNOT go wrong. I suggest you look over forums when you search them too as people always report problems. Its all about research, do a lot of it, you have time. Reviews and benchmark comparision sites are simple:

E.g: ASus mobo vs gigabyte mobo.. Theyl do a test with the same hardware (minus mobo) and who ever wins you buy on top of all the user opinions you read.

$5
ummm wrong! the AMD 6 (AMD Phenom II X6) core is $5 more than the intel 4 core (i2500)...and the L2 cache is 512 on the AMD not 256 like on the intel...and you know the L1/L2 are more important than the L3....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-072-_-Product

this wont break the bank and can be upgraded :)

motherboard (i have this one :::::::)) $90
ASRock 870 EXTREME3 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157198

CPU = $229 AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition Thuban 3.3GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo 6 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103913

VIDEO= $210 SAPPHIRE 100314SR Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102909

RAM= $85 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231311

PSU= $160 SeaSonic X750 Gold 750W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817151087

S!

Check out this thread ---> http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=19175

Here’s my new build:

MOBO: ASUS Crosshair III Formula,
RAM: 8GB G Skill DDR3 1333,
CPU: AMD 965 Phenom II - 3.4GHz Quad-Core,
Cooling: ZALMAN 9500AT,
HD: WD Black Edition, 1TB games and 500 GB operating system and programs,
GPU: EVGA GTX 570,
CD/DVD: LG with LightScribe,
Sound: Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty Pro,
PSU: Corsair HX Series 850HX Modular,
Case: Cooler Master Centurion 590,
Windows 7 64-bit,

XFX is nothing special, I would put them on the lower end of the list.

Big plus for the Noctua coolers.

heres my spec:
Windows 7 ultimate 64bit
ie8
msi geforce gtx 460 hawk"talon attack"1024mb
asus m4n82 deluxe nforce980a sli
Amd phenom II quad core 955 black edition @3.2 ghz(not overclocked, YET!!!!)
corsair XMS2 4gb ddr2 pc2-8500c5
Akasa venom cpu cooler
Inwin Ironclad full tower case
WD 500gb hdd

runs COD quite well. hopefully better when multi-core is sorted.

what would you guys pick out of these: Bear in mind the Intels dont come with ram so you need to buy that also....:

Asus Intel 2nd Generation P67 Bundle (Includes P8P67 PRO Motherboard & Core i5-2500 3.30GHz Processor) (NO RAM INCLUDED)
£300.06

or

Asus AMD Gamer Bundle (Includes M4A87TD EVO Motherboard, AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition 3.2Ghz & 4GB DDR3)
£269.98

or

Asus Intel Performance Bundle (Includes Asus P7P55D-E LX Motherboard & Intel Core i5 760 2.8 GHz CPU) (NO RAM INCLUDED)
£244.98

or

Asus AMD Ultimate Bundle (Includes M4A77T Motherboard, Phenom II X4 955 3.2 Ghz & 4GB DDR3 [2x2GB] Memory)
£240.00

Look at it in terms of bang per buck please, as im on a very tight budget. And im not into Overclocking, i like my processors to last many years.

My Current specs are within the min requirements to run IL2CoD but im looking to run it okay in the long term.
Currently ive got AMD X2 4200+ 2.2Ghz, 2GB DDR2 on Vista. New PC build will get Win7 for it. I already have 900W PSU so that not an issue.

2500k all the way. Not only do they overclock like a SOB, but the onboard gpu helps alot. AMD is sure to copy the idea soon enough be sure... :rolleyes:

Thanks, how would an onboard GPU help? would the onboard GPU be usable? i.e. as good as a GTX 460? If not then, would it have similar problems that most Mobos have when you have an onboard sound and a sound card, you end up with conflicts unless you disable the onboard sound completeley.

Please explain how that works. :)

Have almost the same spec. I have a build log here.. IL2-COD build 10 pages but takes in selection, tuning, building and some benches. Runs COD pretty well in current state @ medium settings.

You don't get a 2500k for the on board gpu, it sucks. You get the 2500k cuzs it run as good as a $1000 980x gulftown cpu for a quarter of the price!

Don't get so wraped up in cores cores cores! Games aren't using them to full effect. 6 core amds dont mean $hit. Games aren't using all those cores. Cores may help video encoding and stuff but were talking gaming.

Unless I needed a computer right now for other reasons than Il2 CoD, I would wait at least 6 months before I get a new machine. By then the optimizing patches should've been implemented. Only then do you know If CoD will bennefit from SLI/CF, 6-8 cores, 64 bit W7 etc etc. Good chance a $1500 rig will run the game as fast as a $4500 one. Computer technology is always moving along at a fast speed. Right now there are a few new items on the horizon that may change performance significantly. Bulldozer 6-8 core chips and the new Ivey Bridge socket 2011 pin, 6-8 core chips. In six months these should be out.

Ivy bridge is not 2011 socket. Ivy bridge is the same as sandy bridge but its 22nm. It will fit it the same 1155 socket.

guys i'd love it if you could help me get this idea to take off. I'd love to have your proposed rigs in here: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20311

I think store links + prices could really help those of us looking into buying a new pc in the hopefully near future.

It has basically HD5450 performance. Pretty decent for an IGP if you ask me. But if you're running a dedicated graphics card (most will...) than it's basically worthless. I guess I didn't make that clear, my bad. I meant for a basic system.

Here's what I have so far penciled in for my new Rig. Any advice will be appreciated.

Asus P8P67 Deluxe

Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge

CORSAIR DOMINATOR 8GB or G.SKILL Sniper 8GB

GTX 580 (or GTX590 dual)

Windows 7 OS 64Bit

I tentatively plan to keep my current four 400GB 7200 SATA2 HD's (currently in a RAID config which I don't think I'll do this time). I've done no research, yet, on State-of-the-art new HD's...So advice on Drives would be most welcome

Save the $100 and go 2500k. For gaming the performance gains of the 2600k are marginal at best. The rest will be great.

don't do a full system upgrade until amd's new bulldozer is launched in a few months. bulldozer is rumored to absolutely trounce everything currently on the market. chances are intel will have to slash prices to stay competitive so you can either build an i7 based system or pay slightly more and go with a much faster bulldozer.

Thanks for the headsup. I'm going to wait for the LGA 2011 socket. Wonder how much faster and cooler the Ivey Bridge 22nm 1155 chips are going to be. If multicore is not going to make that much of a difference in CoD, IB may be the ticket after all. Especially if those 1366 cpu's are going to cost $1000+.

Hard to think bout buying a new pc at this point. Bulldozer, ivy bridge, 2011 socket(z79), the games bad performance... Multi core may still be a option if Ilya and crew can fix the game. Multi core support was in the list of items to be fixed.

I'm waiting 6 months to a year.

I think you forgot about upgrading...i want to get the most bang for my buck and if i can get 6 core for the same price as 4 than i will...because it means the rig will last that much longer...plus you forgot to mention how IMPORTANT 512k L2 is over 256 L2....L3 cache is used as a pool (by all the cores) but L1 and L2 are specific to each core (making them faster)

S!

p.s one of my favorite sayings about the computer industry is "by the time it hits the shelf's it obsolete " :) so it becomes a game of how do you want to spend and when....and when do you want to spend it again :)

Well then never upgrade because something better is always on the horizon.
Upgrade When you have to and go for bang of the buck.
Meaning the best that is out now wil cost a kings ransome.
Go for the sweet spot price performance.
That sweetspot may change every darn week :)
I bought 2500k with a asus p67 evo and a gtx560ti for the security i put a big oll Mugen2 cooler on it.
The msi 560 was choosen because of the overclocking possibilitys of that card.
Yes its a 1gb but cod has yet to use more than that I for one did not masuer more.
Also i hope believe the price of that card wil drop soon, when it does ill buy another.
Giving easyly beter performance than a 580 single for a much lesser price.
Ok just my two cents.
Niels