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Hveding 03-31-2011 07:44 PM

il2:Cliffs of dover got released too early ?
 
Hey!
Someone agree with me ?
The game got a huge numbers of issues and problems...
Have been waiting for this game for 4 years. When the game finally comes out, it's not even playable. A friend of me have a good computer and play Crysis 2 on ultra high settnings. Then he try's out this game, and end up with a unplayable game...
They should have delayed the release about 6 months, so they could fix all of these problems... Release a open beta or something.
Hope they will fix this game soon, because this can be the best flight sim ever made, if they just fix all these issues.
And it looks amazing!

Sorry about my bad English.

-Patrick

Royraiden 03-31-2011 07:46 PM

OMG YES!! You can read it in the majority of the threads,why open a new one for the same stuff?

nBiga 03-31-2011 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hveding (Post 247097)
Hey!
Someone agree with me ?
The game got a huge numbers of issues and problems...
Have been waiting for this game for 4 years. When the game finally comes out, it's not even playable. A friend of me have a good computer and play Crysis 2 on ultra high settnings. Then he try's out this game, and end up with a unplayable game...
They should have delayed the release about 6 months, so they could fix all of these problems... Release a open beta or something.
Hope they will fix this game soon, because this can be the best flight sim ever made, if they just fix all these issues.
And it looks amazing!

Sorry about my bad English.

-Patrick

Thats true!

Eizon 03-31-2011 07:48 PM

It's definitely not ready.

It's of BETA quality, still needs a great deal of work.

For the majority it's not very playable. Even down to the menus, the loading screens, everything is a bit poor.

The rendering engine needs a complete overhaul. And what's with the .NET menus on top of everything?!

I hope the developers keep working full time on it for a while, because I'd say it needs many months of full development still.

Hveding 03-31-2011 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Royraiden (Post 247104)
OMG YES!! You can read it in the majority of the threads,why open a new one for the same stuff?

Sorry. Just another guy expressing his feelings.
I agree! It's more like a beta version.
The menu needs some work... You cant even change the volume ingame, and that's ridiculous (my meaning). The whole game need some work.
Wondering why they did release it now. Are they in a hurry ?

It's like building a skeleton without the flesh = a lot of work need to be done before release (again, my meaning).

furbs 03-31-2011 08:21 PM

about a year too early.

dali 03-31-2011 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by furbs (Post 247188)
about a year too early.

I agree with this estimate. This was rushed out, with many things not fully developed, almost no gaming content. There are many design flaws.
Its a shame, because it is not that bad, there is potential.

Not to mention that release went almost unoticed even by its publisher...

Kikuchiyo 03-31-2011 08:36 PM

I'm pretty sure they released it as is for a simple reason money. I seem to recall them running out of money in Nov. but they held off because it was even in less of a ready state I am sure.

Comparing it to a FPS with smaller maps and less hard number crunching is and always will be unfair. Just because you can do simple arithmetic with relative ease doesn't mean you can expect to do as well in Calculus.

It has problems, but making a new thread for each and every person that feels this way is ridiculous. The developers are and will continue to work on it, and in time we will see improvement. As I understand it there was a decent improvement for many with just the first patch, and I would expect that to be true for each consecutive patch.

If you have some technical issues go to the Technical Issues sub-forum, and look through the FAQ and threads already there. Clogging up general discussion to say "WAAAAAH! MY PERFORMANCE!" isn't accomplishing anything for you or the developers.

Hveding 03-31-2011 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dali (Post 247192)
I agree with this estimate. This was rushed out, with many things not fully developed, almost no gaming content. There are many design flaws.
Its a shame, because it is not that bad, there is potential.

Not to mention that release went almost unoticed even by its publisher...

Cant agree more.
There is potential, but the game is incomplete.

I just hope they can learn by this. Never release a game this early.
If they are out of money, don't release the game.. Find other solutions.
Yeye :p Hope they fix this soon.
Just wondering how long time it will take before the game can be played with some decent performance.

76.IAP-Blackbird 03-31-2011 08:43 PM

I wouldn`t blame Oleg and team for a too early release!!!!! IT`s UBI`s epic fail!

The publisher rushed 1C maddox to release the game! The same happend with Silent Hunter 5.. it had a great potential but the development team abbondened the game!

UBi and not Oleg has to be burn for such an important misstake in the gamehistory! :evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::e vil::evil:

mazex 03-31-2011 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hveding (Post 247097)
Hey!
Someone agree with me ?
The game got a huge numbers of issues and problems...
Have been waiting for this game for 4 years. When the game finally comes out, it's not even playable. A friend of me have a good computer and play Crysis 2 on ultra high settnings. Then he try's out this game, and end up with a unplayable game...
They should have delayed the release about 6 months, so they could fix all of these problems... Release a open beta or something.
Hope they will fix this game soon, because this can be the best flight sim ever made, if they just fix all these issues.
And it looks amazing!

Sorry about my bad English.

-Patrick

And how many times do you think that they have postponed the release 6 months ;) At some point someone is going to say enough... Let's just hope that someone makes enough money now to let the team finish it.

There is so much potential in it...

angrueo 03-31-2011 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by furbs (Post 247188)
about a year too early.

I wonder...

If that is true, what have they been doing for 10 years? I'm afraid not developing it. :mad:

Sorry, I'm only letting my anger out. I know that at the current state of development, more than ever we need to support this product, if we want to play this simulator.

Vevster 03-31-2011 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 76.IAP-Blackbird (Post 247235)
I wouldn`t blame Oleg and team for a too early release!!!!! IT`s UBI`s epic fail!

The publisher rushed 1C maddox to release the game! The same happend with Silent Hunter 5.. it had a great potential but the development team abbondened the game!

UBi and not Oleg has to be burn for such an important misstake in the gamehistory! :evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::e vil::evil:



Ubi doesn't need the money from sales of this game.

Decision to release was most certainly from 1C

matsher 03-31-2011 10:13 PM

Well I for one would rather have the game and build up to the good performance
than have another 6 months of forum gazing. Reading speculative
comments and continuous bitching about it being a PHANTOM game.
If I have to read another "FLAT BOTTOMED CLOUD" post I think I might throw myself off the roof of a tall building.

If OLeg would have delayed any longer there likely would of been a full on community mutiny. Now you can take the time to get used to the new planes
and get to understand the full depth of the many new and proper exciting features.

I have seen many vids so far where the performance looks stable and fluid. So, in the meantime dial it to lower settings and before you can say "Tally Ho MoFo" it will all be Shwakka.

Seriously, wouldn't you rather have it and feel part of the final development touches, seeing how it magically improves over the next few weeks than the horrible frustration of not knowing when it will be ready.

Come on guys - glass half full - WE FINALLY HAVE IT - Yay.

dafat1 03-31-2011 10:20 PM

I feel like being tricked in a bad way! I paid 60 EUR today for the collectors edition and cannot play that definitly unfinished product! That really sucks! I have i7-950 machine and GTX460 graphics, and it looks like a slideshow!

What a relief when started IL2 after that!

Hveding 04-01-2011 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matsher (Post 247359)
Well I for one would rather have the game and build up to the good performance
than have another 6 months of forum gazing. Reading speculative
comments and continuous bitching about it being a PHANTOM game.
If I have to read another "FLAT BOTTOMED CLOUD" post I think I might throw myself off the roof of a tall building.

If OLeg would have delayed any longer there likely would of been a full on community mutiny. Now you can take the time to get used to the new planes
and get to understand the full depth of the many new and proper exciting features.

I have seen many vids so far where the performance looks stable and fluid. So, in the meantime dial it to lower settings and before you can say "Tally Ho MoFo" it will all be Shwakka.

Seriously, wouldn't you rather have it and feel part of the final development touches, seeing how it magically improves over the next few weeks than the horrible frustration of not knowing when it will be ready.

Come on guys - glass half full - WE FINALLY HAVE IT - Yay.

If i only could play at low settnings, i would be happy. But This lag problem have nothing to do with your gear i have heard. Have d same fps if it is on max og low settnings... No big change on the fps. Just a little because my rig is not the best.. But i run crysis 2 on low-med, so i should do it in this game to.

tintifaxl 04-01-2011 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Hveding (Post 247755)
If i only could play at low settnings, i would be happy. But This lag problem have nothing to do with your gear i have heard. Have d same fps if it is on max og low settnings... No big change on the fps. Just a little because my rig is not the best.. But i run crysis 2 on low-med, so i should do it in this game to.

Your grafics card is so low end, you can't expect it to work well in a modern sim. Wether it be DCS-A10 or Cliffs of Dover. :rolleyes:

The sim is very playable for me with forests and buildings toned down to the lowest settings.

This is with a GTX570.

You could further try to tweak your conf.ini regarding dynamic light and view distance. I think it would be a good idea if the devs put these in the video options dialog.

Matt255 04-01-2011 07:56 AM

Quote:

The publisher rushed 1C maddox to release the game!
That's redicoulus.

1C is publisher in Russia and they released it even a week earlier than Ubi.

I guess 1C ran short of money (understandable, considering the long developement time), then got in contact with Ubi last year to publish it world-wide and make some money (understandable aswell).

Also Ubi didn't say that "thousands of people would play CloD (still SoW back then) last october". That was 1C. And 1C also released those smooth (one could say "faked") videos.

Anyway, we paid for it (those that did), only thing we can do now is hope and wait.

csThor 04-01-2011 08:06 AM

I'd rather say they tried hard to get Ubi out of the picture - which is why they only announced Ubi as the international publisher last October.

mcmatt 04-01-2011 08:07 AM

I think DCS did right thing with A10c. Preorder simm with access to beta testing. So we could try it, fly it and all time we know it was beta. Maybe UBI should do the same.

machoo 04-01-2011 08:12 AM

After a bit of tweaking it doesn't run too bad , it would be running in the 30 fps area on mine , and my system is quite old.

FlushMeister 04-01-2011 08:21 AM

I am of course sad to see the game is unplayable, ALTHOUGH, just by looking in the control setting I see this game is truly prepared for EVERYTHING, and I see many years of add ons such as " pacific fighters" etc. But I smell financial difficulties, not a rare thing these days, but what I mean is that I'll gladly pay for this unplayable game to ensure they start getting an income to prove this title is worth it. After more than 10 years in the gaming industry I know these guys work exceptionally hard to reach this level of quality to us rivet counters... :)

Except for the stuttering over landmasses I get about 40-60 fps on my Mac pro at 2560x1600 on highest graphics which is awesome :)

Tvrdi 04-01-2011 08:24 AM

from my experience releasing a sim too early might have one positive impact...why? Well, now they have a huge community of "beta testers" and thats priceless for them as now they would be able to fix things FASTER.....believe me...just report bugs....

JG52Uther 04-01-2011 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tvrdi (Post 247820)
from my experience releasing a sim too early might have one positive impact...why? Well, now they have a huge community of "beta testers" and thats priceless for them as now they would be able to fix things FASTER.....believe me...just report bugs....

Exactly! I for one am happy to have it on my computer.

Feathered_IV 04-01-2011 08:58 AM

I'm perfectly glad to have my copy now too. Runs horribly though and is easily 12 months away from being anywhere near acceptable as a retail product.

602Sqn.McLean 04-01-2011 09:07 AM

Unbelievable.
 
I can't believe some people are upset at those who are angry with this game. I can't even get the thing started. Always get 'Launcher has stopped working'.
That being said, what's even worse is that noone seems to be able to help because so many have so many problems.
Can't senior members understand that we feel ripped off. What about the people who buy the product and don't go onto forums to see excuses being made for the developers.
Surely one must understand that any company selling a product that doesn't work is highly immoral, unethical and dare I say it, illegal.
Where is the phone number I can call to have direct support so I can at least get past those damn crosshairs.
Come on Senior Members, give us folk a chance. We're not all computer whizzes, nor should we have to be. :(:(

Hveding 04-01-2011 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tintifaxl (Post 247775)
Your grafics card is so low end, you can't expect it to work well in a modern sim. Wether it be DCS-A10 or Cliffs of Dover. :rolleyes:

The sim is very playable for me with forests and buildings toned down to the lowest settings.

This is with a GTX570.

You could further try to tweak your conf.ini regarding dynamic light and view distance. I think it would be a good idea if the devs put these in the video options dialog.

Ofc my card cant handel the game. But when i play crysis 2 with everything on max. It lag on a totaly diffrent way.. And it is like this with all games i have played. But this game have some really bad lag issues... I cant even play at low settnings. This just talking for it self... The game have big issues. When my buddy play with Geforce 590 and cant even play at low-med settnings, then it's something really wrong about this game...


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