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UBI passes Epi filter debacle cost onto customers?
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I feel sorry for you, I really do.
No wonder Oleg has had enough what with you lot ******* and moaning. Why not moan about the cost of the electric to play the game too? |
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This takes ranting to a new level. In fact, UBI passes cost for updates on to no one.
Seriously: It's not UBI's fault if you have a paid-volume internet connection. Correct me if I am wrong, and someone forced oyu into this. Then I do feel sorry. Nevertheless, I don't recommend a lawsuit. Somebody want cheese with their whine? |
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Nobody forced me to be on this ISP package. Im unemployed at the moment, so i'm only eating 1 meal a day in order to afford to buy the game. BT Option 1 is cheapest for me. Cant afford to add more cost to my phone bill. |
If you can, change your ISP as you're being ripped off by them and that's not UBI's fault.
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I take it you're in the UK? Well your ISP sucks. For sure. Change your ISP!
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So how exactly does the money you pay BT end up in Ubi's pocket?
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The costs dont end up in UBI's pocket, but due to the Epi debacle, the game was not release playable, so if i have to download the whole lot, then, whos fault is that?
Fact is, a game that shouldve been available on DVD is not really available on DVD anymore, and i cant change my ISP because i'm locked in a 1 year contract, i would have to pay to come out of it. And its not my fault i havent got a job atm before im blamed for that too. I just cant afford additional costs put on top of the price of the game. |
you must be kiddin me....so we all need to bleed because he doesnt have flat net....ahahaha
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The game is on the disc, but as soon as you are done installing from your physical copy steam will update it with the latest version. I highly doubt it will be a gb in size.
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In this day and age pretty much everyone has internet, so thats not much an issue for me, i cannot afford afford a TV licence, so i rely on internet for entertainment and looking for jobs etc... |
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Even some places in the jungle of africa they have internet. In some parts of the world there are not internet. Some parts of world there is war, some other places not. DEAL WITH IT and stop whining |
Get in contact with BT and tell them you're not happy with the current contract you have with them. If you do nothing...you'll end up with nothing.
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I think also SimBin had the same issue with Race07 series. Buy the dvd and still download from Steam. I understand someones issues about this. I dont know the prices for flat, unlimited amount of up/downloads in U.K or anywhere but in Norway where I live.
I pay about £20 a month for 16MB down, and shitty upload, but I never upload or host much, sooo... Maybe it is expensive, but again. Norway is expensive. |
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Unfortunateley im still locked into the contract :( All in all tho, its a load of unneccesary hassle, and money wasted really. money i cant really afford at the moment. I been waiting for 7 years for this game eagerly. Even tho im super skint after being out of work for a long time after this recession hit, im determined to get the game and go hungry to do so. Luckily as its my birthday in 24 days time, my parents are getting me a GTX460 WOW!!! :D im so happy, its the best thing thats happened to me in an entire year to get IL2 and be able to play it. But hell, why oh why does there have to be so much extra cost and obstacles!. |
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And they have the most stable internet for gaming, comparing with my freinds connections that keep cutting out and fluctuating. I hope i can install from disk then patch it. If so then i wont have a problem. @Luthier can you comment on this please? |
Shrike, you're the customer...if you phone up BT remind them that it is this phonecall which will determine whether you'll stay a customer with them after your contract expires or not. Do some legwork and tell them about other offers from other companies such as Sky and Virgin Media interest you. Companies hate to be reminded of how good their competitors are. Also remind them how long you've been a BT customer...not just their internet service but phone service too.
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YOUR OWN FAULT ENTIRELY FOR SIGNING UP TO A STUPID BROADBAND PACKAGE.
According to this page: http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...dTDG_broadband Option 1, which you say you are on, is: £14 per month for the package. £10 per month MINIMUM for line rental. Total: £24 per month For a 10GB allowance with £1 per GB charge after that... YOUR OWN FAULT. You obviously thought it was a good deal at some point else you wouldnt have signed up for it. You must have money to waste. There is a package for £18 (£4 more) than what you are paing which gives a 40GB allowance. |
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One would think also that UBI need to be reminded of their better competitors. If it wasnt for them messing Maddox games around with the Epi filter, then the Game would have been finished. On DVD. And this additional cost of downloading wouldnt have been passed onto the paying customer.
Sure they have put out the fire of the Epi filter debacle, but lets not all jump to singing praise. The fire has simply been put out, now there is the smolderring wreck to repair. |
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When i got my contract it locked me into paying 5.99 for internet per month. 10GB limit. Which was cheaper than all other opposition, plus you get free weekend and evening phone calls. Look at it now, its much more expensive, i would have to be mad to change ISP at the moment. |
You get what you pay for then.
You wanted to pay as little as possible which is fine. Do not then blame someone else when it is discovered the little you are paying does not give you a great service, complain to B.T! |
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I didn't know there are places where you can buy "pay for GB" connections. Even mobile phones have unlimited connection for like 3€ per month. 3G internet 10€ per month, no limit. Wired connection 20€ -> per month, no limit.
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This thred has nothing to do with my internet connection, that is somewhat irrelevant.
Its about the cost being passed onto paying customers (And 1C), through other companies like ISPs. Debatably, it is also selling a product thats retail price does not reflect the actual consumer cost (due to enforced additional cost above retail price), therefore. Its debatable, but i could take it to Trading Standards Agency. For selling a product at Retail price which is unfit for purpose on DVD. Which is more than likely why no shops are stocking it in the UK. UBI should be lowerring their profit margin on the product to cover the cost associated with the extra months of work that was enforced on 1C. Everything has cause and affect, theres no avoiding it. At the end of the day, someone is paying for UBI's mistake, and it is YOU!. So knock me as much as you like, blame it on my internet costs if you must take that shortsighted view, but realise this, i know the value of money. And so do UBI. |
I had some sympathy up to your last post, but this really is more about your Internet contract and its defects than anything else.
There is a problem. The devs and Ubi have come up with a solution. Internet is best way to distribute it. File under 'Shit happens!' |
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If Ubi charged the real cost of the game to you, you would pay far more. Most games in 2011 are not profitable for editors, about 15%-20% of them are. That is including console games. The ones that are profitable cover the costs of those who aren't. Or not. So sometimes editors make losses (complete P&L) If an editor charged a price based on number of units sold, you would end up paying soem games several hundred euros or pounds. |
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You do realise by continually posting you're eating away at your bandwidth limit which could be better served waiting for a patch etc.
Just a thought, carry on. Oh and here's another thought. In your 1st post you said this "Excuse me, but i have to pay £1 per GB that i download. I dont mind downloading 500MB patches, but i wanted to buy a DVD and install the Game, then patch it. Are you telling me that on top of the £30 to buy the game, i have to pay an additional £10 or so to download it?" So now, if you went and bought the game knowing you need to download a patch...UBI\1c\whoever you want to blame are no longer responsible...you are! |
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Bryan. |
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Title is misleading and not true, can we end it?
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Can anyone confirm whether we can install from DVD then patch? Or if we have to download the whole lot? |
and yes you are quite right, i now dont have enough money to buy the game. That i waited for for so long. and had saved up £30 for. which is all that was being asked of me.
Angry, yes of course, why shouldnt i be? |
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No, he doesn't know the value, because he says Ubi should lower their margin in the current situation. Thus, following this 'stupid) logic, they should increase it in other situations, to cover their own costs (for instance when they publish their own games). V |
Why are you angry about something you don't even own? If it is that much of an issue for you, wait until you have enough bandwidth to patch it up. Besides no-ones knows what the western game is like at the moment because it doesn't activate until Thursday!
Read my signature. |
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Steam synchronizes it's clients with the latest version of the game by automaticaly updating it at first chance. It does so when new patches are made avaiable ( in fact if you don't pay attention whilst starting up you might not even realize one of your games has just been patched ) and during install. What Luthier is saying is that because they plan on releasing patches even before or on the day that the game comes out in the west ( not only concerning the epi filer btw, they are working on a number of things to improve performance ) most of us westerners will never even see the version out in Russia at the moment - due to steam automaticaly downloading the patches during our first install. Now if those patches will amount to 10 GB you still have a problem, but at the moment we have no reason to believe that. You should be perfectly fine. The whole procedure can be turned off for individual programs to your liking aswell. And of course it doesn't work if you set steam to offline mode ( not possible during install ). Hope this gives a bit of clarity. |
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If the patches amount to over 10 GB, I imagine a lot of people (including myself) will struggle. Somehow I doubt very much it'll be anywhere near that. We'll see on Thursday!
Imagine how painful it'd be if we were still on 56k modems! |
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And thanks for confirming it can be installed by DVD then patched via Steam, that is a BIG weight off my mind and i feel much happier thank you. |
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I think it boils down to two things: a) Copy protection. Steam is crackable but it's more difficult then other systems and especialy the MP part of steam games is a pain for pirates b) Revenue. The share of money going directly to the studio when distributing over steam is larger then the share they see from conventional publishing. Other then that it's just practical because of autopatch and the integrated and perfectly good MP system that devs get for their game for free when using steam. |
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Yeah im not a Steam hater, i know they exist tho, lol. If i wrote a game, i would want to distribute via steam too, so much easier for the developers. and i can sit here being lazy in my chair without going out to the shops. lol. My next task tho is to find somewhere that sells it on DVD lol. |
You will be able to install from the disk, then patch it.
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Shrike - with respect - what are you plans in the future? Almost every single multiplayer game in existance has regular 100mb-1gb patches to fix bugs and add new features. Almost every game you can buy on DVD instantly requires a patch.
The simple point is this is not a problem you are going to face once, you are going to face it time and again. Someone said it in this thread before, you need to get in touch with BT. It may be possible to end your contract early or change that contract to better suit your requirements. Call centre staff will help you if you go to them with the right attitude. When time for your contract renewal, please do not stay with BT. There are vastly, vastly superior ISP's out there offering incredible service and value. Take a look at https://www.bethere.co.uk Excellent service, excellent value. Slightly more money, but you get what you pay for. And regarding you being on 1 meal a day so you can play a computer game - crikey - not for me to tell you what to spend your money on but do check your priorities!! |
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btw, just to let you know, i have gladly paid 50pounds for the collectors edition, no doubt this will increase thrice fold with the eventual release of add-on packs ,as i did with forgotton battles/1946 etc purely because i think the game is worth it.
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Paying 50 euros for CoD if u live in Russia would be the same as u paying some where around 200 euros where u live now. |
I wish to complain about the cost of the petrol I needed to buy to drive to the shop and buy the game.
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This is normal. It's about the average income in a country. prices are adapted to that. But it's kind of ok. Customers pay less, companies earn less, but the people paid by the companies earn less to. It's about scale. Don't compare apples with oranges disguised as bananas.
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@Stanford, thanks for the tip on that ISP. Im currently changing career (from being a senior software developer to something much less stressful) so i will eventually be able to get myself back on uncapped internet. I'm not a treehugging vigilante :D. I just have no spare cash available, and dont see why i should meet the cost for poor management of the publishing side of things. Of course, if i was not so skint i would prob just say oh well never mind, but its only when your skint that you really realise whos paying what in this world and how the economics works. Well, i'm for one , very releived if i can find it in the shops, saved me a few bob. pardon the pun, haha |
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The price of games is not a price calculated from expenses incurred. It's a market price. "Acceptable by the customer" price, if you wish. All games are far from having the same development & other direct (marketing for instance) costs. But in the same country, they have similar price. Only the retailers make it vary much by adjusting their own margin. |
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