Very Confused about the Filter and Fix Please Help :) ???
 

I am truly sorry for adding yet another post to what has been an over night explosion of both helpful and non helpful threads but I am still very confused and can not seem to find my answer after combing through what feels like hundreds of pages of posts. I am hoping some of you understand better then I do.

As for the Filter I think that I understand that with a copy of the game that has the filter active the visual aspects of the game are altered I.E. explosions, prop arch, chunks of plane falling off when you shoot it, and all that other great stuff at the cost of frame rate rite?

My second question if the above is true is when this filter is turned off does all of that stuff re appear? In other words does the game return to its original form once this business with the filter is figured out or is that the part that will never again be back into the game?

LOL I am just trying to figure out weather or not i will need to somehow buy an overseas version that has no filter and will be the original game with no alterations, or if i can get the US version and then just wait till the filter is lifted/disabled and then still have the same original game that should have been released?

Thank you very much for some much needed clarification. With all this talk of permanent changes and such I am just really hoping that somehow the US will still be able to play the non altered version of the game with all its spender when its said and done :)





Here is the exact answer i was looking for :) Thanks again

Originally Posted by BobTuck View Post

However, since the Russians dont have a sue culture, their version will have the filter removed soon, leaving the sim as it was originally intended to be (i.e. no changes!)



BobTuck.


THANK YOU

This is exactly what i was wondering. So buying any of the Western Realeased versions of the game will never allow you to see the game as intended even once things are fixed and filter is lifted.

got it

At least an un altered version of the game will still exist that is what i couldn't figure out. Now its just a waiting game until one of the Western Uber Nerds (meant as a complement) figure out how to make this version work for all of us third world'ers

thanks again

It does look like the visuals will be permanently toned down unfortunately. From what I understand, anything the creates a flashing image, however brief, is to be culled.:(

Unless a dev comes out and says that the game will be as good visually and performance wise as it was pre filter. Ergo the stuff that needs to be removed is beyond what the human eye can see, I don't see much reason to spend money on a gimped game.
Games coming out next week so they should hurry to patch this up.

ah..... this is what i was affraid of.

Thank you

so in other words the only way to get the Un edited version of the game will be to hang on until the russian version can be made to work here in the states yes?

Or is this version also going to be changed even though it has no filter?

LOL i still feel confused as to weather one has anything to do with the other... So does the Filter cause these changes or does the filter only cause lower FPS and the other stuff being removed is a separate issue being changed for all versions Everywhere?

thank you again for helping to clarify :)

Yes, as Sutts says, the western version will be permanently toned down. The (FPS reducing) filter is a temporary measure to reduce the epileptic effect of the problem visuals (e.g gun flash, propellers), until each one has been manually altered, then the filter will be removed, thus restoring some FPS (but leaving the sim changed in various ways).

However, since the Russians dont have a sue culture, their version will have the filter removed soon, leaving the sim as it was originally intended to be (i.e. no changes!)

The problem is that it is unconfirmed as to whether or not the Russian version will work properly in the west. Also, remember that it will still require the correct patch to unlock the goodness (although I have also seen mention of a quick change in a configuration file is all that is necessary). I have seen one report that it will not work outside of Russia.

I am going to keep my eyes peeled, as the Russian version may be the best way forward.

BobTuck.

p.s. Regardless of news about the unlocked Russian version, I will still be buying my western collectors edition, to show my continued support to the devs

THANK YOU :)

This is exactly what i was wondering. So buying any of the Western Realeased versions of the game will never allow you to see the game as intended even once things are fixed and filter is lifted.

got it :)

At least an un altered version of the game will still exist that is what i couldn't figure out. Now its just a waiting game until one of the Western Uber Nerds (meant as a complement) figure out how to make this version work for all of us third world'ers :)

thanks again :)

I understand the game to region locked.Therefore it can not be activated outside of its region.

Personally I want to wait a bit and understand what exactly the problem is - ie how many fps loss does it cause, what do the before and after screenshots look like - what does the patch to remove the filter deliver before I make an INFORMED judgement about what to do. Right now it's rumour, heresay and no real facts - I'd like to see before and after screenshots, understand what it means to gameplay - and what on earth it means to future suport if I get a russian copy etc etc. Personally I hope we get a fixed western version - we may not even miss the high contrast stuff - until I see comparisons I cant make a rational choice anyway - just my 2 pence worth - but I trust 1 C to fix it in the end, and after 6 years I can wait a bit more. I hope SLI will get fixed - it must do or all other tiles from ubi will also be SLI handicapped and wont sell - cant believe it's just related to this 1 game. Anyway - just bought ROF - will enjoy that until this is fixed - which I'm sure it will be just not sure if it will be 2 weeks or more....

I wonder what will happen when you log on to Steam in the States with a

Russian version? Will they ban your account? What happens when Steam tries to

apply an English patch on a Russian version of the game? And I have yet to see

a single video from an end-user that would lead me to believe that this game

will be playable online with this retard filter. 128 multi-player...yea right. Nike-

it's vids on a high end machine at 30 fps avg and reduced settings...that's

supposed to make me excited? Sorry for the mini-rant. :-x

Well, for now you can look at the official 1C vids and compare to what guys from russian are putting out now. The performance difference seems huge imo. Also, the filter is not a rumor. Luther is the one who told us about it in the first place.

Then we are really screwed. There is no reason for me to buy this game under the current scenario.:evil:

LOL good point sir:P

I am hoping to get around this personally by doing what i did for the first IL2 games which is to stay completely in heaven within the single player aspects of the game:) I know this does not help all of you multi-players but I am afraid that I am not one of you and therefore will be ever so happy just to be able to play the game as it was originally designed single player and if i can never multi play or get online support for the game as a result well then IMO its worth it :)

Most of what I have said is informed and not rumour, because it has come directly from various posts that Luthier has made about the issue, usually on russian forums.

BobTuck.

well if lets say this problem happened with 1946, the devs would take a known performance benchmark ( ie black death) run it with and without filter, give us screenshots and framerates (say on a mid spec machine) so we can make informed judgements - so why cant they do that here - so we know what the issue is - if its a deal breaker or not? Too many variables with all the vids on you tube - you are not comparing apples with apples. I would like to see some real examples - directly comparable. It's not too much to ask, maybe 30 minutes or an hours work. If we don't see it, then maybe there is a problem they dont want to show, but I'd rather see it and understand if it will be a quick fix or not. Unless it is totally fubar I'm still buying it as I believe any problems will be fixed (been flying il2 since 2001) - but I just want information. Lack of information creates a vacuum where rumours and ill informed comment will kill this game... just my 2 pence(cents for the us guys) worth.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=19487

Look at these videos that Nike-it posted with the retard filter in place. He has

high end machine. If you read that thread carefully, he implies that his machine

or a very similar machine was used for the 1C official company vidoes. I think

you will find a huge performance difference. For me, it is enough to say

something has to change. The retard filter has got to go. Avg. 30 fps on a high

end machine with mid-low settings??? Not good enough. Not good enough at

all imho.

fair enough - but can you quantify the impacct? what do the visual changes look like? Is it really 10 fps hit, or more/lss? How does it impact a high/mid/low end machine? Until those questions are answered the impact is all just based on hresay and rumour - I want quantifiable facts which the devs should be able to supply - if they don't know these things how can they fix it?

agreed - which is why I want some numbers to back up what we are seeing from videos etc - then we can make real informed choices

I'm more curious if there is any commonality in the systems that are experiencing problems. I.E. Using Nvidia/ATI, Intel/AMD, DDR3/DDR2 memory, etc. or is it completely random. We seem to be seeing people having few issues in mid to low range systems, but larger numbers of people with issues with upper end systems. I am just trying to figure out if there is some commonality at this point.

He gives the fps numbers in the thread. After you watch those, go here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcm_5L6yZIY

then tell me you don't see one hell of a difference. No numbers needed really.;)

Well, put it this way, it makes enough of an impact to get Luthier to make repeated posts about it, and to promise to the Russian audience that the mechanism will be removed for them.

Any filter that does pre-screening calculations by comparing screen with screen has got to add unwanted extra load, and Luthier admits that this is a quick and dirty way of tackling the issue.

By the way, I am all for supporting the devs through this, and I have still got my western CE version pre-ordered.

BobTuck.

No he cant quantify the impact because there shouldn't be any negative "impact"... Tuck is purely peculating.

(im going to paste what i posted in another thread about this)

"Where does it say that the "fixed" version is going to be some visually altered version from the "untainted" Russian one?

Think about it... The filter thats on the game does everything that is needed to make it "epilepsy" compliant. But it kills the cpu, therefore must be done away with.

When they go in and make it "epilepsy compliant" without the filter it should look exactly the same as it does WITH the filter..."

If it did - why would I need the filter in the first place? ;)

It was one of Luthiers earlier posts, maybe even a translated one, can't remember..

because they ran out of time... throwing the filter on was the only way they were able to make it compliant in time for the release.

you have to remember, this was not planned... they didnt want to put the filter on originally.. this was a stop-gap-quick-fix to something they were already trying to do "by hand" if you will...

I'm not speculating at all, this is what Luthier says...

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see the original threads in the sukhoi forum here:
http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...803%26page%3D2



BobTuck.

But you see Tuck, you are speculating... Or rather misunderstanding what Luthier is saying.

When he says individually fixing the flashed he mean going in and program it out by hand rather than using the filter....

The filter is just a big clumsy thing that does the SAME job as what the programmer was trying to do but just in a Quick and very innecficient way...hence Luthier calling it a "stop-gap" measure, and is why they are goig to remove it.

They arent going to make the game any worse looking. They are just goingto do what he filter is already doing, just without the hit on the frame rate.

We are talking about pixels here...

I know what you are saying Biggs, and I agree that the filter is a temporary measure that kills FPS, but they must have to make a visual change, to subdue the flash effect (so that epileptic people are unaffected). I also read somewhere that the rotational effect of the propellers can affect epileptics.

Guns and explosions produce flash, unfortunately for the sim, and if there was no overall change to be made, then there would be no issue and no filter at all.

I just wish that we could have the sim as originally intended, and I'm quite sure that the devs share that sentiment (Luthier described it as a 'damn feature')

BobTuck.

p.s. this has just been posted, where someone asks Luthier concerning the changes to propeller visuals (note the suggestion of removal of shimmer from western version), and the improbability of an unofficial 'leaked' fix:

p.p.s. I think Luthier is saying here that you can't activate a Russian version outside of Russian area:

I can't begin to describe how upset I am about all this. How can you have realistic explosions and muzzle flash without flashes? How about the sun flashing through the framing of the canopy as you turn? How about the quickly changing contrast of sky and land as you roll your aircraft? Flight sims NEED this contrast in order to properly simulate the environment.

The international version will be totally screwed over....be sure.

This would be even better news l'm pulling for this scenario. :) but based on what Luthier is saying i agree with bob's take.

It really seems like the filter aside the end result is a game with less explosions, flashes, prop effects E.T.C. if they have any of them at all. This is why i am hoping that there will be at least one un altered version of the game in existence and I will just patiently wait until someone way smarter then i am figures out how to fix it so we can play that version in the states:)

I really hope I am wrong :)

well said!

I'd just tell them you're Russian and here on business for a few months.